EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars
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Grackaroni
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Grackaroni
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On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote: Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything. I would love to stay and chat but its late Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?  Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On August 08 2013 15:21 Xatalos wrote: Are there scummy players in other Houses? Something really interesting that happened during N0 and should be shared? Well why don't we deal with our house first, we have to start somewhere and Iamp has told me he is going to push me for being apathetic and having a lack of interest. I feel like I was spending a lot of effort in my pm's with you. Have i been too apathetic? | ||
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Grackaroni
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@Yamato Is there anybody in your house who you think is scum? | ||
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Grackaroni
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On August 08 2013 15:46 Xatalos wrote: I wonder. You shared your decreasing confidence in iamperfection, but you never considered switching off him with me. Or did you talk about that with gumshoe? Obviously I thought about it but you made it clear to me that you weren't feeling like switching right before you went to bed and Gumshoe told me he was confident in him vote as well. I'm not going to deny our house a lord because I was null on him. | ||
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Grackaroni
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I think we might as well just reveal at this point. (and hope no 3p Stark slaughters my house for vengeance lol) | ||
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Grackaroni
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On August 09 2013 10:32 iamperfection wrote: This message is for everyone. We are simply not lynching ryan or acro under any circumstances this cycle and i want your help to find the true scum in this game. Regardless of what you think of the two their activity alone makes them not the best chance to lynch scum. We all know that scum tend b e less active than town and like to lurk in the shadows. This biting each others heads off serves no purpose but to create an atmospher not productive to town because it allows to lurkers to continue to lurk and the scum along with them. I want to know have nonposters in your house been active in pms. Gumshoe has contacted me stating that he will be on later and as of yet still hasnt posted. I havent heard from grack to last night. I want to know if any non posters are in contact with you and if you have suspicion of them from their n0 commitment and recent pms. regardless if they are pm'ing you i want to know why they arent posting in the thread. IE ( Sharrant is in contact with you but isnt posting in the thread acro) these are the pieces of shit that come to mind FirmTofu- Decided to complain about activity and did nothing else Gumshoe- Had a good feeling from pms that he was town but is mia Grack- Mia since last night Kush- Non contributer who i want kp directed at because he can contribute as town and isnt nacho- non poster and i havent heard anything about his pms Sharrant- as stated before Piece of Shit reporting for duty! I will read through the thread and and get some reads sometime tonight. it might not be for hours, not making any promises. You may be around but I don't think you have done anything, unless you have been particularly busy in PM's. I believe that your involvement in pm's dropped quite significantly as well after you got elected, at least from my perspective and xata seemed less sure of you late in the night as well. Do some scumhunting or at least build a case on me, calling out lurkers is useless and that's the most I've seen from you. @All lords, I would like to know how frequently Iamperfection has been PMing you and any impressions you have gotten from those PM's | ||
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Grackaroni
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On August 09 2013 11:11 iamperfection wrote: also i find it absolutely hilarious that people think lurkers cant be scum they almost always are. herp derp iamp is scum because he wants to kill scum There definitely could be scum in lurkers but it's scummy to just not bother looking at active players because you have decided the entire scum team is lurking. | ||
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Grackaroni
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After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote: Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet? I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why: 1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house. 2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start. 3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum. 4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time. 5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps. 6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful). 7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on. 8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum. 9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency. I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists: 1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote: One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have. This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? | ||
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On August 09 2013 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote: I read it. I don't really agree simply because I see townies do this all the time. They enter like halfway through day 1 but act like it's still the first hours of the game. Because to them it feels that way. Could you comment on my points on Oberyn? didn't think I'd need to ask, since you seemed willing to look into people if we asked you and I just made a giant post about him.. I didn't really know what to make of that at first but after seeing Rayne's post there's nothing wrong with it. he was already suspicious of acro and just didn't feel like bringing it into the thread yet as opposed to having one thing make him vote and then feeling the need to justify it later by making up reasons he was suspicious of him before. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On August 09 2013 18:38 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't really know what to make of that at first but after seeing Rayne's post there's nothing wrong with it. he was already suspicious of acro and just didn't feel like bringing it into the thread yet as opposed to having one thing make him vote and then feeling the need to justify it later by making up reasons he was suspicious of him before. I don't really know he's pretty null for me. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On August 09 2013 18:21 Xatalos wrote: I certainly don't like jrkirby's weak thread presence. It's also weird to be so focused on setup, HP and such. He isn't even a Lord, so why is he interested in players' HP? Maybe he's scum? In any case, grackaroni, what do you think of s0Lstice, Koshi, Acro and Oberyn? Koshi read town to me in his arguments with DI. (DI too) I'm willing to forgive s0Lstice's choosing chromatically over Di because he was obviously caught up in an EPEEN measuring contest with DI and I think judging from both Koshi and s0Lstice's reactions to DI, DI was being obnoxious and it made him act irrationally. (not choose DI out of spite, justify it to himself with the possible waste of house power for nothing) Acro I'm really not sure about, I'll look over him tomorrow because I actually am tired. As for Jrkirby. @clarity, how many of those inexperienced players made posts like that in the middle of the game and then left without really talking about any player with anyone? | ||
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Grackaroni
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On August 09 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh fuck, wrong game. I meant RED. :D Did you play in that one, if you did, do you remember what happened with grackaroni in that game? I got called out by palmar as town for making awkward posts that weren't directed at specific people. Got frustrated. Woke up early in the morning to try to get some valid reads and was shot by you 1/2 way through day 1. Good fun  | ||
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Grackaroni
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On August 09 2013 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nevermind, the main point is this: In Red there is a mason group of me, hapa, acro and grack. Acro thinks he is talking in scum QT (lol) and claims a vote rigger. Grack sees this and what´s his response. He immediately claims his role in the mason QT. Then he posts some "not so bright stuff" in thread and gets hc-tunneled by Palmar for the rest of his game. Look at his first post in this game. He immediately lays out everything he has gathered on N0, not thinking about if he should claim who his housemates are or not. This post in itself and compared to Red Teams Prize screams that Grackaroni is town. I'm pretty sure my response was to laugh and i said that I saw that he said he was vote rigger after he edited it out. None of us caught onto that he thought our qt was the scum qt. Also my first comment was that I thought Sinai was scum and I got picked apart for not addressing my posts at anyone. Well Sinani was scum and Palmar was convinced he wasn't so  Back to important stuff. Can you explain the meta more clearly. What can you know from that one 24 hour period? | ||
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Grackaroni
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On August 09 2013 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Except that i caught that and i was sure Acro was mafia from that post. I however had my reasons to be quiet about it (i was the imbalanced half town, half mafia, half SK role who needed all masons dead). If i was 100% town or if Hapahauli caught that comment Acrofales would have been 100% lynched on D1 based purely on him claim. The point is that your play early on is 100% in line with that game. You don´t think much about what you say. You lay out information you have (even if it might harm you). I would think you would be far more restricted if you were mafia. That being said, can you explain what Dandel pointed out from your post about Solstice? You said after your role was out that you believed I was the most likely mafia in our group and that's why you shot me. What is there to explain? I inferred that is what happened from all of the baratheon perspectives. I don't have a town read on him. He hasn't contributed much but I'm not going to hold The Lord vote against him. | ||
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