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FT, VE and Sloosh to some extent look bad to me atm. | ||
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The pardoning can be done vai PM's to the hosts, i don't need to announce it in thread. There is nothing good coming out from me using it, only confusion and distraction, so i will not use my power ever. This makes me think scum have one too. | ||
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On July 16 2013 13:48 slOosh wrote: Hey guys. If people are unsure about how to mason, they should just avoid using it. Worst thing we can do is have all the discussion going on in PM land and nothing to go off of someone's alignment other than their mason's read on them. While Vayne made a personal choice not to mason, you seem to be directing people to avoid using it. Do you have an inherent motivation to discourage people from masoning? A discussion in "PM land" doesn't prevent discussions from happening in thread. I can't see why you would recommend people not to mason at all. I actually second this. Sloosh answer. This is really stupid, everyone should mason. There is no reason not to. Why do you think there is? ##Vote: slOosh As for Hapa's questions: + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 13:17 Hapahauli wrote: Hey all! Regarding PM usage, I think a very good early use of PM's is to try and establish the alignment of someone you know very well. For instance, I already used my first mason on Yamato77, who I'm very adept at reading and is a pretty good town player. Through these efforts I will slowly build a scum-hunting circle of awesomeness. I'll admit I'm a tad worried about the post-count restriction and our ability to jumpstart Day 1 reliably, especially if spammy players are concerned about the post-limit. As a result, perhaps a good 'ol fashioned questionnaire might be best to kick things off! 1) What are your views on PM usage? How and when should they be used? 2) Are there any policy lynches around the posting-limit we should consider? (i.e. if someone doesn't use all their posts, they get lynched, etc) 3) Who are players you feel you can read very well and reliably in this game? 1) To find scum. Not going to be more specific, but i want to know why are you so eager to know this from all the players? 2) No, lurkers should be vigged asap. If someone wastes their posts on bullshit we lynch them. 3) Oats. Vayne. Both town. DrH, please if you are town. Do not waste your posts arguing with Vayne. His argument is more likely to come from a townie than from mafia, and you are just wasting posts into that. Vayne will prove his alignment later for sure, but he is probably town. FirmTofu, What was the purpose of your first post? You yourself said "it should not be considered alignment indicative", and basically everything you said i disagree with, or the statements / "advice" is obvious. Why would you make a post that does not help us finding scum or figuring out your alignment? VE, explain your vote on DrH, how does that make him scum? Do you think he is intentionally wasting his posts? Malongo, yes i'm a Finn. Now do something that finds us mafia? | ||
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On July 16 2013 21:29 kholly wrote: Don't believe this guy. I read the Nuclear Winter Mafia game. Does this make me mafia somehow and if it does, how exactly? So you are voting for DrH because he is telling people to tell the thread who are they masoned with? If that's true, what do you think of other people who agree with this idea. Me & Hapa mainly? yamato, why are you not voting for VE if you think he is scum? MZ, does yamatos "horrible post" make him mafia? What exactly is horrible in that post? | ||
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On July 16 2013 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually second this. Sloosh answer. This is really stupid, everyone should mason. There is no reason not to. Why do you think there is? ##Vote: slOosh Show me where I said no one should mason. [/QUOTE] I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange? | ||
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1) How do you magically know DrH "backed off". Because i happen to know that's not true. He just didn't post any more. 2) Explain this: Your first post contains this: The only threat of being open is mafia disrupting pm relationships. This is actually a bit of a problem seeing as we only get one pm, which is why I suggest not mass masoning D.H or someone else, if you must pm an intermediatery you trust. Later: I hate to waste your posts but sorry I'm as thick as a castle wall XD I assume scum can mason 2 people as well, I dont know why they wouldn't be able to seeing as that would be a cheap way to distinguish town from scum, basically scum have all the mechanical tools to look like town is my assumption. Regarding some other matters. Now why the sudden change of mind. Did you only get one mason to use? 3) Who have twisted my words and how? | ||
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@FirmTofu - I think your defense seems very legitimate and natural, you're off my scumdar. However, it's not that you drew attention to the existence of the traitor, just the fact that it seemed to be at the top of your mind is off. Which is why I wanted you to clarify how you approach mafia in general, it makes perfect sense that the numerically/setup minded type of townies would be fixated on that from the beginning. An LSB/sandro type of player are the kinds of people who I wouldn't raise an eyebrow at for talking traitor, so thanks for that. [16:07:44] <raynpelikoneet> have you talked a lot with DrH? [16:07:53] <Oatsmaster> somewhat [16:07:59] <Oatsmaster> quite a lot i guess [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> does he have any good points? [16:07:37] <Oatsmaster> hmm [16:07:04] <Oatsmaster> well he doesnt know how hapa and vayne play [16:07:12] <Oatsmaster> and he thinks FT is confirmed scum DrH explain, what's going on here? | ||
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On July 17 2013 03:53 slOosh wrote: I never said they shouldn't mason if they don't want to, stop putting words in my mouth. There's a handful of players who have yet to post in the thread, and who could have masoned up with each other. How do you propose to differentiate between them? How is making everyone splurge out their PM chains into thread helpful, when it defeats the point of PMs, which is to avoid / prevent thread clutter and get direct information? How is my plan to have unsure people just post normally in thread detrimental? You are pressuring people to use their PMs quickly, with only vague notions of how it's beneficial for everyone. Why have you totally ignored / dismissed the idea of organizing PM circles for maximum effectiveness? Where does he say he thinks FT is confirmed scum? You are saying "i never said people should not use their masons. Then what's this: "If people are unsure about how to mason, they should just avoid using it."?? Nowhere am i saying people should mason other people asap. Actually i adviced to not use at least both of your masons yet. PM circles will usually fall apart when scum get into them. I don't like that. I like it better that people mason whoever they want to, because that also tells about them (who they masoned. why?). DrH's post says he has no longer a scumread on FT. After that i asked Oats if DrH has had anything to say. He said DrH thinks FT is confirmed scum. Why the fuck is this so hard for you to read? It's pretty simple imo. | ||
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On July 17 2013 05:22 Hapahauli wrote: @ Rayn I really hate this post. You're voting SloOsh entirely because you disagree with him and not because you think his behavior is scummy. I can see see some rationale behind what sloOsh is suggesting (its better to be cautious about PM's since they are a limited resource). You're voting him for what I consider to be a fairly reasonable attitude. I have given clear reasons why i am voting for Sloosh. I do disagree with him yes, do you think people should not use their mason-ability to the fullest based on "idk what to do with PM's"? I think that's very scummy thing to say and there is not much other things Sloosh has said, certainly nothing that helps us find scum. On July 17 2013 05:30 Hapahauli wrote: @ Rayn This is not how analysis works. You don't find something in DrH's filter saying he doesn't suspect FT, then take Oats talk as the word of gospel. Where does DrH ever say that he thinks FT is confirmed scum? I have no idea where on earth you gleaned that information from, much less why you trust Oats so much this early in the game? Yes it is. Oats is probably sleeping atm, and someone is lying unless i have missed something. It's either; 1) DrH is scum and fucked up 2) Oats is lying 3) Something i have missed Why the fuck should i not question stuff like this? I see a fucking contradiction here. Either DrH will call Oats a liar or he will provide the logs that explain the situation. Or he'll say nothing in which case he is probably scum. Or then it's something else. Tell me how am i supposed to find mafia if i can't question people for stuff like this? I thought this should be brought up in thread so all of you can see it. If DrH/Oats/both are mafia it's possible for them to fool me if i don't bring this up. Someone else could however see through this. This is btw not analysis, this is questioning. Why are you saying it's analysis when it's clear it's not? Ans i trust Oats because it's pretty clear he is town. You should see that too. In other news, gumshoe is town and Koshi is dumb. | ||
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I am (was) in PM contact with Oats. gumshoe chose to mason me. Logs will be provided no later than N1. Both of gumshoe and Oats are town for sure, so is DrH. | ||
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Logs with Oats: IRC logs after that: + Show Spoiler + <Oatsmaster> duude <Oatsmaster> why is irc not blocked at work [16:07:43] <raynpelikoneet> :D [16:07:05] <Oatsmaster> lucky you [16:07:11] <Oatsmaster> webchat sucks [16:07:16] <raynpelikoneet> i will keep this open. i gotta get back to work in ~15min, but i'll have another pause in ~2h [16:07:22] <Oatsmaster> anyway, wtf is with all these weird people playing mafia laterly? [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> i have no idea [16:07:33] <raynpelikoneet> i think they are all too bad to be scum [16:07:55] <Oatsmaster> yeah kholly is definetely too bad to be scum [16:07:01] <Oatsmaster> manglo dude i dunno though [16:07:01] <raynpelikoneet> kholly/malongo [16:07:19] <Oatsmaster> i mean, that vote was really bad [16:07:50] <Oatsmaster> what was kholly refering to when he said he didnt believe your claim and referenced nucear? [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> i dunno, he just said he doesn't believe me, whatever he means with that :E [16:07:14] <raynpelikoneet> i think he means Nuclear N1 [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> when i said i nuked MZ [16:07:15] <raynpelikoneet> i don't really think why he thinks that claim makes me mafia if that's what he means [16:07:17] <Oatsmaster> at least you claimed if scum has a similar role and uses it [16:07:28] <Oatsmaster> no other benefits directly [16:07:29] <raynpelikoneet> btw [16:07:32] <Oatsmaster> benefits as scum to claim [16:07:40] <raynpelikoneet> i'm gonna mason my strongest scumread on N! start [16:07:46] <Oatsmaster> you are looked as somewhat town due to above reasoning [16:07:47] <Oatsmaster> the thing is [16:07:00] <Oatsmaster> pardernor is an amazing scum role [16:07:04] <raynpelikoneet> i know [16:07:13] <raynpelikoneet> at least if silent [16:07:22] <Oatsmaster> so I dont see why if you can anonomously stop the lynch on a scum buddy [16:07:34] <Oatsmaster> you would claim [16:07:39] <raynpelikoneet> no i wouldn't [16:07:17] <Oatsmaster> well [16:07:19] <Oatsmaster> wifom [16:07:34] <Oatsmaster> but yeah I think its too powerful for marginal benefits [16:07:54] <raynpelikoneet> yeah well it kinda is, but anyways that was teh best thing i could think of doing (masoning a strong town read and claiming instantly) [16:07:06] <raynpelikoneet> above for the wifom thing [16:07:16] <raynpelikoneet> tbh i wanted to mason 2 scumreads [16:07:25] <raynpelikoneet> and out the logs at the end of N1 [16:07:35] <raynpelikoneet> but now it's better [16:07:40] <Oatsmaster> why do you feel you had to mason a townread to claim? [16:07:43] <raynpelikoneet> i can mason one and give you the logs instead. :D [16:07:46] <Oatsmaster> like why not just claim in thread [16:07:05] <raynpelikoneet> because at that time i was not sure if that role could be used somehow to our advantage [16:07:24] <Oatsmaster> nah [16:07:29] <raynpelikoneet> i tried to think about it but i couldn't really find anything that would make me think so [16:07:34] <Oatsmaster> pardoner only creates mass confusion [16:07:37] <raynpelikoneet> yeah [16:07:44] <raynpelikoneet> that's the conclusion i got to :D [16:07:06] <Oatsmaster> like mostly if you are town, you would want the lynch to go through cause you somewhat agree with it or dont want to fuck over town anyway [16:07:20] <raynpelikoneet> yeah [16:07:35] <raynpelikoneet> there is also the worst case scenario that i am wrong and the town is right [16:07:49] <Oatsmaster> yeah, i doubt you will ever have a strong townread that town wants to lynch [16:07:05] <Oatsmaster> this game feels like a mini man [16:07:06] <raynpelikoneet> then we might nolynch + mislynch me before the scumlynch. :/ [16:07:14] <Oatsmaster> haha [16:07:33] <raynpelikoneet> i actually have a strong townread on vayne atm too [16:07:37] <raynpelikoneet> what do you think about him? [16:07:43] <Oatsmaster> yeah me too [16:07:03] <Oatsmaster> seems similar to the other games ive played in, namely catch 22 [16:07:11] <raynpelikoneet> he usually picks the game at some point and gives reasonable reads [16:07:15] <Oatsmaster> i didnt read Les Mafia though, how did he play there? [16:07:26] <raynpelikoneet> i think he was mafia in that game if i remember correctly [16:07:30] <raynpelikoneet> or was it CCM? [16:07:39] <Oatsmaster> yeah it was LeS [16:07:43] <Oatsmaster> CCM he was town [16:07:58] <Oatsmaster> did you read it/ [16:07:19] <raynpelikoneet> i don't remember him in Les (i played both). I was too fixated in lynching BH because of his claim. :/ [16:07:31] <Oatsmaster> haha [16:07:05] <raynpelikoneet> basically [16:07:15] <raynpelikoneet> i think vayne is mafia if he does not have strong opinions [16:07:29] <Oatsmaster> ok [16:07:33] <raynpelikoneet> he looks more like a normal player would look as town :D [16:07:36] <raynpelikoneet> when he's mafia [16:07:42] <Oatsmaster> and he has strong reads this game [16:07:44] <Oatsmaster> game too ez [16:07:16] <Oatsmaster> 11 players have not started to play the game [16:07:20] <raynpelikoneet> mm [16:07:22] <Oatsmaster> about 10 hours in [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> i hope Vivax is sane if he's town this game [16:07:30] <Oatsmaster> man I have half my post count used already [16:07:34] <raynpelikoneet> rofl [16:07:37] <raynpelikoneet> me too basically [16:07:40] <Oatsmaster> I really hope Vivax doesnt go full Vivax [16:07:50] <Oatsmaster> this game doesnt have marv though, should be good [16:07:57] <raynpelikoneet> omfg he destroyed Basterd game [16:07:11] <Oatsmaster> yeah [16:07:12] <Oatsmaster> so salty [16:07:20] <Oatsmaster> cause he didnt vote [16:07:23] <raynpelikoneet> when WoS told scum/survivor had fakeclaims [16:07:47] <raynpelikoneet> i was sure of the mafiateam (well had JarJar/Solstice as "idk which one") [16:07:56] <raynpelikoneet> but fuba + stutters [16:07:00] <raynpelikoneet> were clearly mafia [16:07:13] <Oatsmaster> yeah [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> also i was a bit mad for iGrok [16:07:34] <Oatsmaster> 2 mislynches is way too harsh for a 14 player game [16:07:41] <Oatsmaster> im a bit mad at iGrok [16:07:45] <Oatsmaster> well a lot mad [16:07:48] <raynpelikoneet> because my play on D1 was based purely on that scum do not have fakeclaims [16:07:02] <Oatsmaster> scum got fakeclaims at the start of the game [16:07:09] <Oatsmaster> the pause hat nothing to do with it [16:07:14] <raynpelikoneet> mm [16:07:18] <Oatsmaster> and our blues decided claiming was awesome [16:07:29] <Oatsmaster> so at least we got fuba for easy kill [16:07:43] <Oatsmaster> dont you have to go back to work? [16:07:04] <raynpelikoneet> still got a cup of coffee in front of me :D [16:07:21] <Oatsmaster> lol [16:07:27] <Oatsmaster> i guess that works [16:07:44] <raynpelikoneet> have you talked a lot with DrH? [16:07:53] <Oatsmaster> somewhat [16:07:59] <Oatsmaster> quite a lot i guess [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> does he have any good points? [16:07:37] <Oatsmaster> hmm [16:07:04] <Oatsmaster> well he doesnt know how hapa and vayne play [16:07:12] <Oatsmaster> and he thinks FT is confirmed scum [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> show him the part of this convo, where i describe vayne's playstyle (if you have not told him yet). I don't want him to waste all of his posts on nonsense with vayne on D1 [16:07:37] <Oatsmaster> cause basically his post is really agressive for no reason [16:07:53] <raynpelikoneet> hapa is weird [16:07:58] <Oatsmaster> yeah I explained how vayne plays which is basically be an egotistical farthead [16:07:59] <raynpelikoneet> i think his questions are bullshit [16:07:03] <Oatsmaster> yeah me too [16:07:08] <Oatsmaster> i like the rest of his posting though [16:07:16] <raynpelikoneet> yeah [16:07:19] <raynpelikoneet> but especially [16:07:57] <raynpelikoneet> 1) "Hi, i wanna know what are you going to do with your pm's, so i can get a fuckton of info when you tell the thread who you masoned" [16:07:02] <raynpelikoneet> like [16:07:16] <Oatsmaster> huh? [16:07:42] <raynpelikoneet> i say i mason Syllo -> i have answered Hapa "i wanna mason my townreads, to discuss stuff with them" -> Hapa knows i think Syllo is town [16:07:47] <raynpelikoneet> even without asking [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> if Syllo is in fact town, and we agree with each other, it's basically 1+1 = we are each other's townreads. Dangerous for mafia. [16:07:30] <Oatsmaster> I dunno man [16:07:50] <raynpelikoneet> i think we should not [16:07:00] <raynpelikoneet> i think we should not tell why we mason people we do [16:07:12] <Oatsmaster> i think its obvious by the thread who we think is town or scum [16:07:36] <raynpelikoneet> oh yeah, that's true [16:07:38] <raynpelikoneet> but [16:07:43] <raynpelikoneet> when i mason my scumread [16:07:47] <raynpelikoneet> i hope they think i am town [16:07:21] <raynpelikoneet> to have a false "good feeling" about talking with me [16:07:30] <Oatsmaster> lol trye [16:07:31] <Oatsmaster> true [16:07:34] <raynpelikoneet> more likely to say stuff they would not say normally [16:07:42] <Oatsmaster> yeah I guess [16:07:51] <Oatsmaster> so who are you looking at masoning? [16:07:07] <raynpelikoneet> okay [16:07:11] <raynpelikoneet> i gotta get back to work [16:07:15] <Oatsmaster> kk [16:07:15] <raynpelikoneet> i'll keep this open [16:07:20] <raynpelikoneet> in case you want to say something [16:07:21] <Oatsmaster> ill still be here i think [16:07:29] <Oatsmaster> in like 1 and a half hours [16:07:18] <Oatsmaster> well Ill probably not say anyhting unless someone posts Oats dropped at some point, this is the other stuff in between somewhere [16:07:54] <Oatsmast_> lol [16:07:54] <Oatsmast_> opps [16:07:57] <Oatsmast_> sorry internet was weird [16:07:06] <Oatsmast_> can you post everything past this [16:07:10] <Oatsmast_> 1) "Hi, i wanna know what are you going to do with your pm's, so i can get a fuckton of info when you tell the thread who you masoned" [16:07:12] <raynpelikoneet> k [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:02] <raynpelikoneet> like [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:16] <Oatsmaster> huh? [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:42] <raynpelikoneet> i say i mason Syllo -> i have answered Hapa "i wanna mason my townreads, to discuss stuff with them" -> Hapa knows i think Syllo is town [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:47] <raynpelikoneet> even without asking [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> if Syllo is in fact town, and we agree with each other, it's basically 1+1 = we are each other's townreads. Dangerous for mafia. [16:07:12] <Oatsmast_> right [16:07:25] <Oatsmast_> so we should conceal our pm targets [16:07:29] <raynpelikoneet> no [16:07:32] <raynpelikoneet> we should not [16:07:32] No such nick [16:07:42] <Oatsmast_> I really wish I got more posts [16:07:51] <Oatsmast_> but gumshoe is wrong about the DrH thing [16:07:53] <Oatsmast_> he might be scum Timestamps are fucked up because the minutes don't show up correctly for some reason. Logs with gumshoe: + Show Spoiler + Sorry i was at work. Just got off. I PM the hosts ##Pardon: Playername. If they have the most votes at the end of the day, the day ends in no-lynch instead of that players lynch. The power is one-shot. I'm not really sure about Sloosh. I think he is not doing much and focusing on stupid things atm. I also find Hapa's questions to me odd and kinda dumb. I gotta question him in thread. Original Message From gumshoe: Hide nested quote - Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I think VE might be scum, his vote on DrH is quite horrible. I think DrH is town, but i still want him to explain this weird stuff, you can't just ignore that. Mafia is more likely to slip up by not keeping their story straight in PM's <-> thread. Original Message From gumshoe: taaaaaalk to me T_T in regards to the DH, theres a few possibilitys, DH is scum, he lied in thread but then why would he tell the truth to Oats or vice versa? Also perhaps Oat's pm was based on an earlier read of DH's? Like wise Oats could be lying, I dont think theyre both scum though, why would they waste a pm on another (they wouldn't actually be wasting a pm, but they would have to lie about they're pm targets if one of them was scum leaving them open to attack). What do you think of Ve? You dont find it weird how easy this Sloosh wagon is forming? Also would you mind clarifying how exactly your role works? I might be willing to do like wise. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From gumshoe: Hide nested quote - Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I think you should let go of Oats. He is as close as town Oats can be. :D I don't trust you yet, but you masoning me makes me feel better about you. You definitely can get to Oats & DrH through me. I'd advice not to use your second mason yet. There are still a lot of people who have not posted. Are you thinking of masoning scum / town as your other mason? Why? I talked about kholly with Oats, here: [16:07:22] <Oatsmaster> anyway, wtf is with all these weird people playing mafia laterly? [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> i have no idea [16:07:33] <raynpelikoneet> i think they are all too bad to be scum [16:07:55] <Oatsmaster> yeah kholly is definetely too bad to be scum [16:07:01] <Oatsmaster> manglo dude i dunno though [16:07:01] <raynpelikoneet> kholly/malongo [16:07:19] <Oatsmaster> i mean, that vote was really bad [16:07:50] <Oatsmaster> what was kholly refering to when he said he didnt believe your claim and referenced nucear? [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> i dunno, he just said he doesn't believe me, whatever he means with that :E [16:07:14] <raynpelikoneet> i think he means Nuclear N1 [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> when i said i nuked MZ [16:07:15] <raynpelikoneet> i don't really think why he thinks that claim makes me mafia if that's what he means Original Message From gumshoe: Hey, you seem to have a grip on the game and I can get to Oats through you and DH through you/Oats. Do you have any questions for me? Do you trust me? What do you think about what I've said about Oats and Knoly? Do you think Knoly is traitor or scum based off his answers? Should I pm him? I wanted answers out of Knolly which he hasn't been willing to give me in thread, I asked him to pm me, he didn't bother replying, I asked him if I pmed him would he be willing to talk to me? He didn't bother replying. So yeah, he has me worried with his cryptic talk, I'll drop Oats for the moment, can you ask him why he thinks I'm confirmed scum? XD If he doesn't wanna tell me thats fine, it's also annoying how small his posts are and how fast hes going through his filter and his encouraging of others to burn through posts but whatever, that infos not going anywhere and I wont get anything else by pressing him. Oh did he think I was scum because of his convos with Dh? That makes sense if so. Who do you think we should lynch? I can ask. The bolded part is a trademark of Oats townplay. :D I dunno yet, i sill want to pressure Sloosh, Hapa is now fucking weird. Might be because he is right about the fact that my scumplay is pretty good and he is being paranoid but still. He is questioning stupid stuff. VE looks better. DrH almost obviously town. Oats town, Vayne town. Who else, Kholly seems too bad to be mafia. :D Koshi is dumb, i dunno what that makes him. He's voting me because i claimed pardoner, rofl. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From gumshoe: Hide nested quote - Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I think VE might be scum, his vote on DrH is quite horrible. I think DrH is town, but i still want him to explain this weird stuff, you can't just ignore that. Mafia is more likely to slip up by not keeping their story straight in PM's <-> thread. Original Message From gumshoe: taaaaaalk to me T_T in regards to the DH, theres a few possibilitys, DH is scum, he lied in thread but then why would he tell the truth to Oats or vice versa? Also perhaps Oat's pm was based on an earlier read of DH's? Like wise Oats could be lying, I dont think theyre both scum though, why would they waste a pm on another (they wouldn't actually be wasting a pm, but they would have to lie about they're pm targets if one of them was scum leaving them open to attack). What do you think of Ve? Agreed, I get a bit of a scummy vibe off the way he sorta attacks DH's character as opposed to his posting, but Ve is a pretty aggressive player as I understand it so null on him for now, how do you feel about Vayne piggy backing off your Sloosh read? Personally I'm null on Sloosh, He advocates caution which is fine, people are kinda blowing the whole thing out of proportion in my opinion. Blind pms are actually pretty dumb, I wouldn't have pmed you if I wasn't pretty certain of your alignment. But the more posts he spends defending himself the more it seems that hes just trying trying to create an excuse for not making meaningful arguments. Another reason why i am keeping my vote on him. Fuck the formatting on gumshoe PM's. It's because TL apparently does not have fwd option in PM system.. :/ | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From Oatsmaster: Well there could be gfs and framers and sanities so its not like cop check is 100%. People scared of posting lol. | ||
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FT, here: I PM the hosts ##Pardon: Playername. If they have the most votes at the end of the day, the day ends in no-lynch instead of that players lynch. The power is one-shot. Also how did Sloosh answer your question? I still don't anything from him that says "people should not avoid to use their mason ability" as your original argument was. Also your points against DrH are dumb. DrH is there anything else you see Oats is scummy for? Have you played with him before? If you compare your logs with him and my logs with him, any contradictions? Or rather, can you just post the logs in thread so i can look at them aswell. Koshi do you still think i am scum? Why? Why not? | ||
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Did you or did you not read them before posting after that? If you did not, why? | ||
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Also yeah DrH, Oats is not scum, at least from what you called him out of. Also also, if some is willing to donate me posts i would be grateful, i'm running out of them soon, and i can't even fucking PM. I dunno about VE, his explanation on his DrH stuff seems fine to me. I still think Sloosh is useless and town!Sloosh is not useless. Nothing he has said can be considered scumhunting. Kholly, malongo, Koshi probably just bad. I would not vote for either of them for now. vayne town. DrH town. yamato leaning town on, would like him to post more. Hapa is a Q-mark, i don't follow his thought process. FT could go either way, i wanna see how he responds to me/DrH. Vivax is just meh.. I don't like "cryptic" posts, as i have limited time and i don't like to double-think what i am even reading. Who else.. I have nothing to say about Wiggles/Kush, MZ, blah, just pops out, calls yamato out and disappears. Could lynch him. SnB seems fine to me, layabout has posted right? Fuck this is retarded when there are no filters in OP. That's all. Could you add filters in OP??? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica - proactive and has good points. Definitely town Oatsmaster - he's a reactionary dude rather than making posts that are well thought out. I see nothing that points him being scum since he explained stuff to DrH. I agree with it. Yamato77 - Has good posts that make sense. Is trying to push lynches (on people who i think are scum). FirmTofu - I tried to bait FT into saying he has read my logs. I dunno if he would have lied to have done so as mafia, but nevermind. His play actually makes sense from town PoV and his push on DrH seems genuine and i don't think he would do that as mafia. gumshoe - PM'd me and tried his best to get me to answer him when i was at work. Wanted to claim to me after i explain how my role works to him. A strong towntell. kholly - His posting seems genuine, and he is new. The post especially where he throws out DoctorHelvetica, VayneAuthority, Hapahauli, gumshoe as his scumreads. strongandbig - Has good points regarding VE/Sloosh. One thing i don't understand is that he asks Wiggles if he agrees with him why he thinks Oats is scum. He has never said he thinks Oats is scum. What's up with that SnB? Koshi - Get's straight into scumhunting without stupid fillers. Good case against VE, i agree with it. VayneAuthority - What i said in my logs with Oats. In addition to that he is a "setup guy" and begins to work better at the end of D1 / N1. Also calls Hapa out for stuff i find important. Null - soft scumreads: Vivax - I don't like his vote on SnB. And that's his only fucking post. Kushm4sta - Useless, completely. I dunno what that means. layabout - Only one post, setup talk and an unjustified read on vayne. Useless town or scum. Hapahauli - I don't have a strong town feeling from Hapa atm. He concerns me a lot. I think he is asking bad questions and calls out stuff that should not be called out. Malongo - Completely useless. I don't know what to think of him, i remember reading some of the earliest games in TL-mafia, and people seemed to do a lot of lists. Usually they were scum. Leaning on scum, but not sure. Scum: VisceraEyes - Useless VE is scum. Here VE is nothing but useless wasting his posts. Mr.Wiggles - He thinks Hapa is suspicious, but is not doing anything about it. Actually he is not trying to pursue any of his reads further, nothing ends in a solid conclusion. Meapak_Ziphh - Horrible comment about yamato's being horrible. And that's it. Suddenly wanted to mason me when i got PM-blocked. I dunno what that means he needed to waste a post pointing that out.. slOosh - Still has not answered to me. And nothing in his posts is pointing towards him wanting to find scum. Nothing to see here: Ace Altairius sandroba Node HiroPro yamato, what have you talked about with Hapa? Has he brought up anything that can be considered a town tell from him? SnB, why did you ask Wiggles if he agrees with your read on Oats? A read that you have never told in thread. MZ, why did you feel the need to waste a post in telling how you think i am confirmed town and that you wanted to mason me when it's not possible? Everyone who is useless atm, start doing stuff and do it quick, you can't all be mafia. | ||
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Why is nobody willing to give me posts? After all i am as close confirmed as you can be without modconfirmation? I have a lot to say, but i need to spare posts for tonight. Okay marv, welcome. Give us some scumreads as soon as possible plese. | ||
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, VOTE FOR VE, WAGON OF JUSTICE!. 
