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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 18 2013 20:45 GMT
#63
ill play if theres still room
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 03:38 GMT
#124
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 03:52 GMT
#128
On May 04 2013 12:47 calgar wrote:
@nobody - I'm doing well, thanks.

@espi - Being in a different time zone definitely adds difficulty so just try and do your best, give reads, and be reasonably active. In the end that's all we can really ask for from players. I know in a lot of newbie mini games it really suffers from 2-3 lurkers/replacements who hold back the game so I'd love to be able to avoid that.

As far as active lurking goes - that's definitely something to watch out for. Posting without direction and cluttering the thread doesn't accomplish anything useful for town. I don't think it's 100% reliable though, although I guess none of the other 'common tells' such as being wishy-washy, apologizing/avoiding confrontation, sheeping etc. are.


I would argue that those are not tells at all, usually mafia double and triple check their posts to sound as concise and not suspicious as possible. If some one was blundering/being unclear I would learn more towards them being town than mafia.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 05:09 GMT
#134
Not enough information yet to know whether I want to lynch lurkers or not. I need at least a post from everyone first, as well as some votes to come in. then we'll see
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 17:34 GMT
#162
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
Yes, rolled town again.

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On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts

Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion?

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On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation.

Like this post of yours?

I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.


what exactly was there to discuss 3 posts in? This is how I always play, I only will be convinced after the first day in a no clue game. If you guys don't like how I play then I guess I wont be in this game very long, pretty much all there is to it.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 17:36 GMT
#164
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 17:40 GMT
#166
On May 05 2013 02:37 nobodywonder wrote:
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On May 05 2013 02:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
Yes, rolled town again.

On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts

Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion?

On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation.

Like this post of yours?

I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.


what exactly was there to discuss 3 posts in? This is how I always play, I only will be convinced after the first day in a no clue game. If you guys don't like how I play then I guess I wont be in this game very long, pretty much all there is to it.


or you can change your play and not die...this is highly recommended if you are town. you almost deserve to die if you don't contribute


Showing up town and lynching the bandwagoners is enough of a contribution if it comes to that. Im used to being lynched day 1 since mafia fear logic and not emotional people.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 17:49 GMT
#171
On May 05 2013 02:45 nobodywonder wrote:
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On May 05 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 05 2013 02:37 nobodywonder wrote:
On May 05 2013 02:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
Yes, rolled town again.

On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts

Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion?

On May 04 2013 12:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey all, looking forward to a fun game. I agree with the general notion that lurking should be dissuaded and active posting should be encouraged. However I'd like to add that we should be on the lookout for postings that simply mask for scum, those that add little to the discussion but give the illusion of participation.

Like this post of yours?

I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.


what exactly was there to discuss 3 posts in? This is how I always play, I only will be convinced after the first day in a no clue game. If you guys don't like how I play then I guess I wont be in this game very long, pretty much all there is to it.


or you can change your play and not die...this is highly recommended if you are town. you almost deserve to die if you don't contribute


Showing up town and lynching the bandwagoners is enough of a contribution if it comes to that. Im used to being lynched day 1 since mafia fear logic and not emotional people.


no, it's not. you need to contribute. for example, here's a bone for you
what do you think of sugarfluff's suscipion of you? what do you think of jampi's vt claim?


two meaningless things that only emotional people would be bothered by. Logic is taking people's votes and the killings under analysis and making correct lynches based off them. PR roles also come into play here once people actually figure out what roles are in the game and have to attempt to convince people of what they know for sure.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 17:51 GMT
#172
On May 05 2013 02:44 jampidampi wrote:
@Vayne: If there was nothing to discuss you could have started a discussion. If you indeed play based on logic, you could start by creating material to analyse.

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On May 05 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough.

What gives you this feeling?


Creating imaginary evidence based on emotions is not logic. What gives me this feeling is that either the town is quick to bandwagon on anything, or the mafia are being stupid and casting all their votes on me early. When I come up townie you can immediately go back and analyze who started the suspicions on me and who bandwagoned.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 18:11 GMT
#176
I played on epicmafia for years before it turned terrible, there is nothing to link. Hundreds or thousands of short games.

I played one game on teamliquid and I was mafia then so I can link that.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 18:13 GMT
#177
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925

im blindalbino, have fun its a lot
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 19:01 GMT
#181
On May 05 2013 03:41 jampidampi wrote:
Why did you make another account? Based on your posts in that game you have analysed a lot more things than just raw facts (votes/flips/nightkills). What has changed?


I dont know man, couldn't be my role or anything /sarcasm

Mafia feeds off emotion, town feeds off logic.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 19:02 GMT
#182
On May 05 2013 03:42 jampidampi wrote:
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On May 05 2013 02:56 jampidampi wrote:
On May 05 2013 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 05 2013 02:44 jampidampi wrote:
@Vayne: If there was nothing to discuss you could have started a discussion. If you indeed play based on logic, you could start by creating material to analyse.

On May 05 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough.

What gives you this feeling?


Creating imaginary evidence based on emotions is not logic. What gives me this feeling is that either the town is quick to bandwagon on anything, or the mafia are being stupid and casting all their votes on me early. When I come up townie you can immediately go back and analyze who started the suspicions on me and who bandwagoned.

How did you come to that conclusion?

And answear this.


I came to that conclusion based off this first day's proceedings. Not a single shred of evidence and everyone is so quick to lynch me. Either a mafia bandwagon in the making or a dumb town.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 04 2013 21:30 GMT
#190
Based on my analysis I will be voting for Targe. Heading out for a while so ill be back later.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 05 2013 03:31 GMT
#199
On May 05 2013 08:10 nobodywonder wrote:
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On May 05 2013 06:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:
@nobodywonder, I am curious as to why you put a vote on VayneAuthority. All the votes up to this point have been basically to get lurkers to post. Is your vote on him because of suspicion, an attempt to motivate him in some way, or another purpose?


I am really annoyed by his day 1 logic thing. And as for the votes, not many people have voted so yeah... I vote him because I'm just annoyed, the action can be scummy, but his response I can't quite make a read...I'll clarify when he does this:

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On May 05 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
Based on my analysis I will be voting for Targe. Heading out for a while so ill be back later.


Interesting, you voted, but why? Please explain your logic or whatever you cling to.


I will divulge if im about to be lynched, otherwise I do not want the mafia to know how I think yet. Still picking up clues from this first day. Second day is when the real hunting begins.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 05 2013 20:05 GMT
#230
On May 06 2013 03:09 nobodywonder wrote:
@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.

If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.

I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.


shrug, just some brief pickups from him being too agreeable and deciding early on whether people are acting "scummy" or not. Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him

Not going to reveal the second part of my analysis just yet because I would like to see where this first lynching goes before I divulge any more of how I think because it could change the mafia playstyle.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 05 2013 23:10 GMT
#256
Forgive me, but I fail to see how no lynching day 1 is so ridiculous in a game with PR roles. Killing town off before having evidence to go off of only helps the mafia. By lynching some one instead of not lynching, thats a whole day less of PR roles gathering info.

Could some one explain to me how no lynching is bad? All the people against that are very suspicious to me for the time being.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 05 2013 23:10 GMT
#257
I have always played in small games with PR roles on epicmafia.com where day 1 lynching a lot of the time is obscene and would get you called a noob pretty harshly so I dunno why people are so vehemently against it. This is how I was taught to play.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 05 2013 23:24 GMT
#259
On May 06 2013 08:18 jrkirby wrote:
You're right in that we'll almost never actually manage to lynch mafia day one. It's just not going to happen. But what we do get is reads on all the players. If everyone just no lynched day one, we would get pretty much no information. We wouldn't be able to see who voted for who and why.


The problem is assuming that the mafia are idiots. Id rather have no information than meaningless information. A common strategy, bussing, is used a lot to "clear" mafia individuals when they lead a lynch against another mafia. Completely worthless reads.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 06 2013 01:40 GMT
#274
indeed this late bandwagon switch is very troubling. Whoever is a town PR role NEEDS to inspect Jarjar/Targe tonight, whoever doesnt die.
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