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But BlazingHand, what did you do to poor Dobby?
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Good morning.
Is it safe to assume scum didn't post yet?
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Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while.
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I kinda feel sad that I said I would treat Oats as confirmed town :/ , I feel like doing the opposite now
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On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean.
Oooo, an omgus, interesting.
Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game?
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On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean. Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game? I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me.
He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely.
Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything.
Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes?
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On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean. Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game? I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me. He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes? I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns..... And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something.
I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day.
P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation.
The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts?
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:09 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote:On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean. Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game? I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me. He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes? I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns..... And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something. I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day. P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation. The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts? /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it?
How will you handle someone that denies every insight into his thoughts, posting random, baseless accusations, sarcastically admitting he's scum, and whom you won't be able to read?
Would you lynch such a person or not?
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 23:27 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:22 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 23:09 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote:On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote:
Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way?
PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean. Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game? I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me. He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes? I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns..... And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something. I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day. P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation. The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts? /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? How will you handle someone that denies every insight into his thoughts, posting random, baseless accusations, sarcastically admitting he's scum, and whom you won't be able to read? Would you lynch such a person or not? Yes... but I wouldn't just jump on them for trolling at the start of the game and making one insight that touched a nerve. You also didn't answer my question: If your so intent on making him talk, why are you not voting for him yourself?
My vote alone wouldn't be enough for the purpose of taming Oats, as opposed to letting him know that his way of playing will get him lynched by a majority of others, if he doesn't step it up.
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Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this.
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On April 22 2013 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:@palmar's read on vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. "Absurd" I agree with. "Strange value" however...could you expand on how his heuristic is useful at discerning OTHER people's alignment, because I don't see it.
I would like to know what motivates you to ask Palmar that question. Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that he's giving me a townread? Do you see scum motivation in doing so or do you think I'm scum?
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On April 22 2013 00:43 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something. That's a terrible heuristic if it is that simple. Simply posting in the thread, especially in the first ~2ish hours does not a townie make. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:@palmar's read on vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. "Absurd" I agree with. "Strange value" however...could you expand on how his heuristic is useful at discerning OTHER people's alignment, because I don't see it. I would like to know what motivates you to ask Palmar that question. Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that he's giving me a townread? Do you see scum motivation in doing so or do you think I'm scum? Yes I am uncomfortable with him giving you a townread off of something I read as non-indicative. I also want to know why he suggests there is any value in the heuristic you used because it's nonsense imo.
What I regard as important about your question is that you seem to assume that scumPalmar would give me an easy townread, when it wouldn't serve any purpose for him, unless you know of one and want to talk about it.
Your question's whole purpose seems to be attacking Palmar's townread on me, which makes me curious. Cause town's goal is to find reasons for someone being scum, and not for heuristics to get townreads not being correct, that is mafia's goal cause it reduces the pool of people they could get lynched.
So unless you see me or Palmar as scummy for some reason you aren't citing, I see the question you're asking as something that looks like scum agenda, as you criticize someone for issuing a townread on another guy.
Then, why Palmar specifically? CC called everyone in the thread town at a certain point, and I called everyone posting before me town, yet you deem Palmar most interesting for issuing a single townread.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? Vivax could you answer this?
I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet.
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On April 22 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh hokay. Makes sense. So marv can I count on the fact that your first major scumread will almost certainly be town?  You usually have pretty good insight into Palm's doings, what's your take on him thus far? You mention that you don't want to lynch him but don't state why.
Do you want to lynch him?
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 03:17 Vivax wrote:On April 22 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh hokay. Makes sense. So marv can I count on the fact that your first major scumread will almost certainly be town? You usually have pretty good insight into Palm's doings, what's your take on him thus far? You mention that you don't want to lynch him but don't state why. Do you want to lynch him? Not this early, no, but the difference between me and what marv did is he states a whole bunch of reads and specifically stated who he doesn't want to lynch without including Palmar in those reads. I don't have a read on Palmar at all, therefore I have no reason to lynch him. YET.
I kinda fail to see the reason for why you ask somebody about his townread on Palmar, if you don't have intention to lynch Palmar/think he's scum. If you could explain your motivation for that question, maybe, cause I seem to lack creativity.
It's basically a similar question to the one asked by hopeless. Hopeless questions was still more scummy cause of its selectivity and cause I can see it coming from scum who don't want townies who trust each other.
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I don't really see issues with getmoript.
I need people to support me in my just cause against hopeless1der.
He prefers to discredit townreads and talking about heuristics instead of finding scum.
Kush, let's join forces again. Let's become a psychoactive contraceptive another time.
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I approve of Sharrant's post. TRN does look scummy, but I'm not sure if I can exclude that he's a bad townie, that still wouldn't explain his bad attitude. A bad townie can show zeal, too.
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If BM says he's miller I'll not believe him, and if he says he isn't I'll see his action as scummy.
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