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TLCastingGolems
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TLCastingGolems
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As you may or may not know, Mafia is a game of wits. There are two teams here (the mafia team and the town team) and the town must vote to lynch someone each day in hopes of finding mafia (or "scum" as they are so affectionately called). However, the mafia team can communicate outside of the thread, and each night, town will fall to the mafia. It's a race against the clock. In this variation, there are fewer player entities. However, each "player" is a hydra. This means that there are actually two people behind each account! This makes the game far more interesting. And right off the bat we see some great aggression between FiveTouch, DrParnassus, and Moology. Moology is reacting fairly irrationally to the early game pressure. On the sidelines, we see ObliviousEyes making a very long post with seemingly little content at first glance. We will have to see how/if that develops as the play continues. (Soniv) | ||
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TLCastingGolems
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On March 13 2013 10:08 TLCastingGolems wrote: Ok everyone! As we come out of the loading screen, we want to familiarize our viewers with how our game works! As you may or may not know, Mafia is a game of wits. There are two teams here (the mafia team and the town team) and the town must vote to lynch someone each day in hopes of finding mafia (or "scum" as they are so affectionately called). However, the mafia team can communicate outside of the thread, and each night, town will fall to the mafia. It's a race against the clock. In this variation, there are fewer player entities. However, each "player" is a hydra. This means that there are actually two people behind each account! This makes the game far more interesting. And right off the bat we see some great aggression between FiveTouch, DrParnassus, and Moology. Moology is reacting fairly irrationally to the early game pressure. On the sidelines, we see ObliviousEyes making a very long post with seemingly little content at first glance. We will have to see how/if that develops as the play continues. (Soniv) Yup I'm really interested to see what develops now between Moology and DrParnassus. They seem to be testing the waters with each other here; civil one moment and then accusatory the next! I just don't know what to make of these two! | ||
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Someone should make a note to Mocsta that having two separate browsers open (chrome and firefox) allows you to avoid logging in and out! He's getting quite frustrated at such an early stage, Wave! | ||
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That's right, Soniv. And it is difficult to make reads when more than half of the players are still sitting at the nexus! I'm not sure I want to make a definitive decision based on an early game pissing contest between two players. Aaaand DrParnassus appears to be drunk. It's never a good thing to mix drinking and Mafia, Soniv. Hey, now. There aren't any cycle changes for me to confuse just yet! | ||
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Well, it's certainly a viable plan, however, consider this: What if the scum team is ballsy enough to claim a named VT? It would be a gamble, but seeing as there are only 2 blue roles, it's something we would have to look out for. Also, I'm noticing that DrParnassus has switched his vote many many times already this game. Thoughts on his motivations, Soniv? I'm not sure yet. But if he's trying to puff up and look like a threat to people, I would say it's not working. Switching votes so often and quickly is worthless in my eyes - it creates a "boy who cried wolf" effect. In the future, if he ever REALLY wants to make a case, I'm not sure if people will take him seriously. | ||
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Yeah Wave it sounds like easy vote-garnering with no real substance no me. I think if people really want to hunt scum they definitely have to look into motivations, specifically those of DrParnassus and Moology. What is the point of essentially arguing over votes that clearly mean nothing in the first few hours? Oh, and look at that Wave, more D1 early-game vote switching, from FiveTouch this time. Real threatening. | ||
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Role-players are some of my favourite people, Wave, I don't know what everybody's problem is. But if people want something substantial, so be it. I personally think that Moology (Mocsta)'s play appears pretty scummy and similar to scum play from him that I've seen from him before. Very reactionary and angry, and arguing over nonsense just to keep up the filter, while offering no real contribution to the scum-hunt. I think if DrParnassus accomplished anything with his early vote business, it may have been a decent job of baiting out this scum play from Moology. Sounds about right to me, Soniv. I've played a couple games with Mocsta now and this certainly does seem a very familiar zone of his. Interested in where his other half fits into all this though. Either way I think I'm comfortable giving my first prediction of the game! Ok, let's hear it, Wave! I predict Moology to be scum! ##Vote: Moology And with that, the two of us are going to take a little break, but we'll be back soon. <COMMERCIAL BREAK> | ||
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He's correct that I thought he was scum last game, and I was mistake. However, he does forget that this hydra has two heads, and that you, Soniv, knew he was town last game! He should be aware that no matter how much he loads into his filter, he WILL be watched. And now, ladies and gentlemen, we would like to move onto our INSTANT REPLAY. This replay is sponsored by FiveTouch - He has a beautiful penis. Soniv, he votes for us because he hates our "summarizing" (despite the fact that we have included opinions thus far): On March 13 2013 22:06 FiveTouch wrote: Some really annoying arguments that don't look very important. Usually townies argue like this. iamp's question at the start of the game was bad. TLCastingGolem's summarising is far worse. ##Vote: TLCastingGolems which he then follows up with trying to get everyone else to bandwagon us: On March 13 2013 22:23 FiveTouch wrote: Can we start getting the votes on CastingGolem please. I want to see if he's willing to continue playing against his win-con when the lynch is hanging over him. If he is, then we should carry through and kill him. Let's go. He switches to Dirk Hardpec without explanation: On March 13 2013 22:24 FiveTouch wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: DirkHardpec and continues to push us: On March 13 2013 22:24 FiveTouch wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: DirkHardpec Not until after this does he start accusing Dirk, AND THEN DEFENDS US WANTING TO KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE VOTING US: On March 13 2013 22:56 FiveTouch wrote: why are ppl voting CastingGolems when he's at least willing to do something? Dirk doesn't want to play the game, let's show him the door. Plus the contradiction I already mentioned. What should we make of this? Well, Wave, I would certainly like an explanation. It seems that FiveTouch is operating on a "vote first, ask questions later" policy, which doesn't hold much water in my book. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Well Soniv it's coming down to the halfway point of Day 1 and what have we got to show for it? Honestly it doesn't seem much, Wave. The town has seemingly decided between voting for who annoys them the most; either us for 'casting style' and perceived inactivity and lack of giving them the precise analyses they want, or Dirk Hardpec for doing...well...nothing! I don't know about you, Wave, but this doesn't seem like a town who is keen to scumhunt to me, rather they're quick to jump on easy sheep targets for simple reasons. Let 'em think what they want, Soniv. They'll come around eventually, I have faith in them. A few recent developments for those still catching up, DrParnassus is an angry guy, Promato's disappearance looking fishy, and ObliviousEyes coming to our defense somewhat. Oh, but those aren't READS, Wave. We might make someone angry! Too true. In that case, having a look at NewbieXXXI_Obs Cutie, despite the fact that he has aggressively been pushing for our lynch, actually looks pretty good right now. Gives analysis on major occurrences including the earlier Day 1 'fight' between Parnassus and Moology, and calls out his current scummy looking targets. Parnassus, on the other hand, accuses us of shit-flinging yet directly after this he flings his own at other members of the thread, including a post meaning to 'direct our attention' to WittyHydraName. No support, no real purpose. Fivetouch makes some comment which Parnassus immediately +1s. If I didn't know better I would think the earlier shit-flinging fight Parnassus had with Moology was specifically staged to make the both of them look town, which most people seem to suspect of them. Since our vote is still on Moology right now, I think it's time to hear from the experts' desk; we're going to pass it off to Moology. Moology, any thoughts regarding your performance last night, or the current voting trends? Hey Wave, looks like you fail at posting. Well fuck me, Soniv, I guess I do. Quoting for filter. | ||
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That's ok, Soniv, they can't have missed us too much! Now we would like to address Newbie, as he asked us to reaffirm our position on FiveTouch. At the time, we wanted to pressure Five to maybe get a bit out of him. As the game has progressed, we are feeling that he is more townie than not. Hopefully that answers your question Newbie. Thanks for that, Wave. As it is painfully apparent, WittyHydraName is set to be lynched. How do you feel about that? Well, it seems rather damning. It is very similar to the game we just got out of (Mafia LX) when, day 1, Promethelax disappeared very similarly when he was pegged for scum. So I am happy to see Witty die. But I ask you this, Soniv: If he doesn't vote, he'll be modkilled (afaik). Should that happen, the town doesn't need to vote for his death. If he shows up suddenly to vote, that's an easy lynch. How do you think town should handle it? I think that if Witty never shows up (which is looking more and more unlikely as the time goes on), we should switch to Dirk Hardpec. I agree with ObliviousEyes' post here **INSTANTREPLAY**+ Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 02:12 ObliviousEyes wrote: Okay so I woke up, saw Dirk spamming some more, and decided that yeah, I think I wanna kill it. He's actively trying to keep us from scumhunting. ACTIVELY. There's purpose in the way he's posting, and it's not a town purpose. The way I see it is: do we lynch a lurker with literally nothing relevant in his filter? Or do we lynch someone who is actively not trying to find scum? Again he makes it seem as though he thinks marv is scum, and again has failed to provide any kind of reasoning beyond "he's a big ol' meanie". If his spam "marv is scum" post can be believed, he seems to think marv is scum. So why not try and get marv lynched? Both Bugs AND Palmar (AND syllo if he's all up in there too) know that "marv is scum" isn't going to sway anyone. Kill Dirk. He gots to be scum yo. And what about our vote for Moology, Soniv? It should be retracted at this point. I haven't since seen much that leads him to be more damning in my eyes, and so I'm content with him living for now. ##unvote ##vote WittyHydraName I think our vote should go onto Witty for now, Wave. As unlikely at this point as it may be, I would hate to see any scum funny business in the final hours. However, again, if he never shows and will die anyway, I believe the votes should switch to Dirk. | ||
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TLCastingGolems
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I'm not sure what to tell him. Call it coincidence or just plain unlucky, but we both had a bunch of crap going on, and neither of us could get to a computer. If he wants to look back at Mafia LX, he can see that your schedule, Soniv, can be quite restrictive at times. Mine generally isn't too bad, but that doesn't take the business factor of my life out of it. He also says we shouldn't "game absences". I don't really know where he's going with that. I assume that he means we shouldn't try to take advantage of a Witty modkill. I don't quite understand why though, so maybe he can explain it for us a bit better. As for Moology, I would say he's somewhat null leaning red right now. Can you explain for our viewers why, Wave? I would love to! Through reading, there was one post that jumped out at us. **INSTANT REPLAY + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 08:35 Moology wrote: Guys Moc is back. I pretty pissed Omni hasnt shown his face at all. Considering Drik Hardpec might be 1 man up with Syllo; I am happy to take a replacement out of Palmar, Bugs, Syllo  ============== I really don't like this post from TLCastingGolems (but will oblige) Current voting trends looks like everyone is feeling each other out. Hardpec definitely comes across as trolling And Prome is giving us early promises of low activity (I am in the same boat as him.. but still making an effort) Snarfs/Adams have flown under the radar for me; if they dont contribute by closer to lynch will prob vote them. - Especially because they dont have multiple ongoing games to hide behind. Otherwise for today I am stuck between the trolling of hardpec and aggressiveness of Marv. Marv normally tries to exert himself as town leader, and is actively trying to walk through with people his thought process. This marv is setting up a dictatorship of no tolerance.. and its a marv i havnt seen before. (Kei done fuck all from what I read) ##Unvote I want to discuss the situation with my other head before issuing a vote with intent to lynch. If Omni is not present in the next 8-10hrs, I will make the decision for him. ==================== The reason I dont like the post above, is because ONCE AGAIN, the castingteam summarise the situation and when it comes to the meat and veg, they pass it off to someone else. Yes, teh flavour is cute, but the strategy is preventing them from being accountable I am actually surprised Promato was supportive of this (justifying them as newbies not expected to contribute).. thats bullshit.You sign up with the big boys, your contributions are just as expected. I dont want to be stuck at LYLO with another "Grush57". (moc) Well, looking through again, he called out a few players who dislike the limelight as a scum player. He called me out, but I'm not really sure why. I haven't played scum in probably over a year, and even at that, I've only been scum maybe two or three times. So I'm not really sure where he was going at that (again, maybe just sowing seeds to discredit), and I'd like some clarity on that. | ||
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Indeed that's the case, and I say "tough cookies!" Newbie has still yet to explain why it would be a poor idea to take advantage of someone most everyone sees being scummy being modkilled, or "gaming the absence" as he says. | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:14 DrParnassus wrote: how many games have you played where a player gets modkilled on D1 for not voting.... it rarely happens. we have no possible way of knowing what the mods will do so if we think he's scum then we should lynch him.... it seems like you're being intentionally thick about this point Let's see if the referees can shed some light on this. If someone doesn't vote, will they be modkilled? | ||
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We're more comfortable with Witty dying if he's the only choice. However, if he is indeed definitely getting modkilled, we would be inclined to switch to be with ObliviousEyes. DrParn seems a bit frustrated, Soniv. Indeed he does, but this isn't elo hell, there is no rage quitting allowed. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:15 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Not unexpected but probably for the best as he did not seem to be interested at all in playing the game. Let's check up on things tomorrow and see what has happened. /chaos13 You have no room to talk. One of my few experiences with Palmar was a loooooong time ago in Team Fortress 2 Mafia. I ended up on scum team with Palmar. He didn't feel like playing scum, got caught D1 and rolled over with no effort. He's always been very trolly, but it is apparent when he is town. This is not his town play. Can only base it on meta because they have done absolute jack shit. -S4 | ||
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On March 15 2013 18:51 Moology wrote: Now (Essentially a last will) My concerns are currently with the following teams (1) Golems - They seem to have listened to feedback. I want to see a bit more from them before deciding which side of null they are going. But it is a positive from less experienced players to take criticisms on board. (2) Newbie - They are Jeckyl/Hyde so far. I think they need to be scrutinsed Day2, to get some consistency between the two haeds. Right now the lack of consistency makes them essentially unreadable (i.e. a very confused read) sitting at very slightly leaning town. (3) Promato - Im just scared of lurkers in general after the loss in Mafia LX. These guys have given reasons for the low activity so I expect HIGH QUALITY with small doses. Not getting that so far; they are my sleeper pick for scum. Yams recent list post was... *meh* bunch of wishy-washy reads. Which is fine and all - considering the lack of activity; but why bother to post it? Like i said, if you want to post less fine; but the quality needs to be there. (4) Hardpec - I am in agreement with Omni here. And I dont care Oats that you disagree. If hes not a strong town read, dont step in. And certainly @ night, do not expect a case. Hardpec + Promato are my current picks to follow through with on Day2 (4 1/2) VE - I am throwing him in purely because hes not as active as I have come to expect from recent town VE + Normally he uimms/ahhs a fuck ton before lynch - and we not getting that this game. ============== This is probably going to be my last post for the cycle. Going out tonight, and deadline is 7am on a Saturday => i will miss it. (moc)  Cool list post Mocsta. And for the record, I'm offended FOR Soniv, since he's been playing and has played LONG before you were around IIRC. Blame the 'taking criticism,' and 'less experienced' on me imo, but don't for a second assume that my better half doesn't know exactly what's going on. Also I never quite understood your tendency to post last wills, especially since they always seem to occur on nights where you're not likely to be targeted. -Wave | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:14 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: i think if your skeptical that i am mafia you are town. Which means we kill the dirk one since he dont want to catch scum. DrParnassus this kid clearly a misguided townie extremely aggressive but poor critical thinking skills. You think we should kill dirk, but didn't want to take advantage of a mod kill on someone everyone though was scum to do it. Then you don't want to kill dirk anymore. You get called out for flip flopping. You're back to wanting to kill dirk. Forgive me if I seem confused, because you're certainly not making sense. -S4 | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote: Playing for modkill is a really bad way to play the game. Which is why we asked the mods if he would be modkilled. Modkills are always unfortunate, but I don't get why town would be content with letting their KP be diminished by having their target die to something out of their control and waste the days lynch. But I'm clearly not seeing something that everyone else is. -S4 | ||
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