EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXVI
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glurio
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glurio
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Lots of old faces, ill definitely will try to be more active this time around. My stance to LAL is: that we should first try to lynch scumreads -> scummy lurkers -> lurkers. Is it possible to move the deadline to 8:00 KST? 10:00 KST is 2 AM here if my timezone converter didn't lie to me. Will be pretty hard for the europeans to be here i think. I'll be on a big birthday party later this evening so don't expect me to be active. Sunday evening i should have a lot of time on my hands though. Till then ill try my best to squeeze some playing time in!  | ||
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glurio
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Right now i agree with corazon, lets focus on other people: On January 27 2013 03:16 SkaPunk wrote: I'm here ready for this awesome game. Acid is mad already! I'd like to put this a bit more into the spotlight, yea slayalot and sn0 already said he should contribute a bit more, i agree. He really needs to put something forth. Since hes here and ready for this awesome game... | ||
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So i'll cast my vote just to be sure. ##Vote: SkaPunk He posted but his post was useless, could have at least said if he thought LAL is a good idea and that he's busy rest of the day. | ||
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On January 28 2013 09:20 zarepath wrote: Someone being obviously scummy Day 1 in a newbie game and yet still being scummy is not unheard of; in my last two newbie games, the two most scummy lurkers were scum all along, but we jumped off of them both times because we were sure they couldn't be THAT scummy on purpose. Just saying. Exactly what i thought about. Won't let myself get swayed this time and will stick to Ska. He clearly knew he was in the game, and we gave him enough time to post again. | ||
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glurio
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I'd like to summarize the votes: first vote of the game zare votes Afking (lurker) warbaby votes skapunk (oneliner) sn0 also votes skapunk cora votes abenson (lurker) slayalot votes skapunk glurio votes skapunk warbaby unvotes skapunk, votes abenson abenson isnt in the game -> warbaby votes afking cora votes skapunk skapunk dies flips VT With 3 people not voting there is less then ideal information but i think we can get something out of those votes. What strikes me as odd is warbabys voting pattern: first one voting for skapunk, then jumping off to another lurker? Why? And why did you not go back to skapunk after abenson was out? I'll leave you with this question and will go to sleep. Probably gonna sleep long so don't expect me to respond till the evening, good night. | ||
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glurio
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On January 29 2013 01:42 warbaby wrote: That was an awesome post Zare. I will review the thread with what you've said in mind. How could you possibly have known this? Before stutter's PSA, there was not a single post in the entire thread indicating that abenson was glurio. Did someone tell you in the scum QT? And if you did know this as you claim, why the fuck didn't you point it out as soon as Corazon voted for abenson? Ambiguity like this is only going to hurt town, if you're town you should be trying to clear stuff like this up, ASAP. Not pulling it out 12 hours later like it's evidence in a case. Do you even read the thread before making baseless accusations? He was gone before cora voted for abenson. | ||
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And i still want to highlight warbabys vote switching to afking instead of skapunk, isn't it basically the same thing with coras voting for the only lurker who nobody so far voted for zarepath? His reason is he wanted to draw an reaction, since it didn't work with skapunk. He wanted to draw an reaction from someone who never posted in the thread, probably forgot about the game as soon as he registered himself for it. So now that he's sure skapunk dies he can make an easy switch. Well shame for him abenson wasn't in the game. Why not vote for Skapunk again few minutes before the lynch? The chance of drawing an reaction in that time span is really non-existant. I just want everyones opinion on this. | ||
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glurio
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I really like that he called him out on his inconsistencies. (friendly sparring -> going berserk, 1/3 chance -> no chance) But all in all most of zares analysis is just that, calling out inconcistencies. While i believe this is good information, some stuff is probably just overblown to get a point across. (the friendly sparring to going berserk, i think cora just wanted to make a point) What i found really striking was this though: On January 28 2013 08:05 zarepath wrote: I think that it's out of character for Corazon to be speculating so severely as to the hypothetical spread of mafia among lurkers and the possibilities of replacements. And to knowingly break rules and ask for mods to tell him he's breaking a rule instead of just looking it up when he's unsure if he's breaking the rule or not. and i really didn't like the vote post of cora especially the last sentence: On January 28 2013 03:59 cDgCorazon wrote: I'll cover that base WB. ##Vote: Abenson If these are the three mafia their coach must be ridiculously annoyed. Can't put my finger on it, but it really sounds scummy to me. I'll try to post more after cooking and eating dinner. | ||
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I want to add some stuff before the night is over: I think warbaby tries to take advantage of the Mocsta situation. He said he observed the last game, so he knows how mocsta played. Also a lot of people from this game are playing again. What i thought about was this post: On January 28 2013 09:20 zarepath wrote: Someone being obviously scummy Day 1 in a newbie game and yet still being scummy is not unheard of; in my last two newbie games, the two most scummy lurkers were scum all along, but we jumped off of them both times because we were sure they couldn't be THAT scummy on purpose. Just saying. warbaby is well aware of that, so he tries to emulate mocstas style, because who would think scum actually emulates a scum player from the game before it, with lots of the same players who would all recognize it? I hope i get my point across. This will be all for me today have to sleep. | ||
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My response to warbaby: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 04:13 warbaby wrote: In list form due to popular demand. (That "popular demand" bit was also a joke, in case you got confused, Sn0. Let me know if you need help tying your shoes or anything.). Warbaby's case on Glurio 1) Most of glurio's posts are backing up someone else's stated opinion, although he does add some of his own analysis. First he backed me on Acid~, then he backed Sn0_man against me. I think this makes it look like he's not doing his best to think for himself. 1.a) A majority of glurio's posts are backing up sn0_man and tunneling me, but he never explains why he thinks sn0 is town (assuming they are collaborating as town, not scum). Does glurio think sn0_man is town, and what evidence is that based on? I'd like Glurio to respond to this. 2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska. Ska was already set to be lynched when glurio voted Ska, so I'm not sure if glurio was really helping us pressure Ska, or just voting to make sure town Ska got lynched. 3) We're well into D2, and glurio's filter is less than a page long. This level of contribution is not going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio. Now that I've made a case on someone other than Sn0 and Acid~, maybe Sn0 and Acid~ can make a case on someone other than me. They're tunneling me hardcore, it's hypocritical for Sn0 criticize me for tunneling at the same time. Also, Sn0 I agree with your last paragraph there. That's exactly why I think what Slayalot is doing is not scummy. But Acid~ failed to vote D1. That's against the rules and anti-town. 12 hours is ok like you say. 24 is not. 1) I never backed you on acid. Never backed sn0s case against you, he might have had some similar points, but most of my stuff i found myself. While i did later use some stuff zare and acid brought up, this was much later in the game. 1a) Yes, i actually believe sn0 to be town. His posts look like solid scumhunting. He never went on a personal level, got too emotional. Also he seems to have the same read on you as i do. Scum btw. He was in the last game with mocsta and draws the same parallel between your play and his. 2) For this point i'll first quote you. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2013 00:39 warbaby wrote: Also, I'm with Glurio. ##Vote: SkaPunk SkaPunk has demonstrated that he is in fact capable of using the post box. Maybe if we pressure him some more, he'll actually contribute. Remember my first post: scumread -> scummy lurker -> lurker. He classified as scummy lurker, so i voted for him. 3) You are right, i really should step up and post more. As i see it right now there are two major suspects: Acid and warbaby. ##FoS: warbaby He doesn't seem to put in the effort to actually read before accusing. He has already multiple posts of "oh well too tired to read clearly" "oh i didn't catch that" "got the time mixed up" as soon as someone calls him out on his mistakes. Then theres the whole mocsta meta kinda thing i think he has going on. Although he copies mocsta not very good, he seems to try. He now trys to earn town cred by suddenly being nice to his no. 1 scumread, sn0. Whilst discrediting acid. Since i'm pretty tired right now ill promise to look at acid tomorrow. | ||
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glurio
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Most of his recent posts are discrediting his attackers (cora/warbaby). He likes to lash out and tries to draw reactions with it. And it works. His case against warbaby seems solid, although it wasn't warbabys math that was off, it was coras. He does get quite emotional in his defense. I do find his reason for not giving a second scum candidate off quite shady, though. You could just tell us what would change in case he flips what. His prime target is warbaby always was and he really wants to kill him. Which is in my opinion totally understandable. It's also pretty obvious who his second scumread is at the moment. I'll quote it for convenience sake: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 08:23 Acid~ wrote: Corazon thinks warbaby's unwillingness to unvote me is a town tell. He also thinks the same thing from me is a scum tell. Why is that, in your opinion? + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 08:29 Acid~ wrote: My goal was to get people talking about the case, that's what people do. But, I have to give you credit: your conveniently timed "argument" with Corazon managed to pull attention away from the case and bury it behind five pages of useless bullshit. Right now he seems to have the same read as myself on both those guys. So all in all i've got a town read on acid. His unwillingness to unvote or budge an inch on his opinion gives me a town vibe. For the unlikely event that warbaby actually flips town the spotlight will no doubt switch to himself. Now I wanna change to a different person: zarepath. What I found really odd was that his contributions really are much different from the last game we played, he used to do really long cases or lists so far we haven’t seen anything like this apart from a minor case on cora N1 he really didn’t contribute much so far. If it’s due to RL obligations or not I don’t know. I just wanna highlight it in hope he’ll contribute more to it. | ||
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On January 31 2013 00:37 cDgCorazon wrote: Why I'm not voting for Warbaby: + Show Spoiler + Warbaby's erratic behavior made me very suspicious at first, I must admit. However, his brashness and unwilling to unvote Acid (even though voting for him early is a terrible idea) actually gave me a better feeling that he was town. The biggest thing that a scum has to worry about is their reputation with the rest of the town. A scum knows that he has to make sure no one else thinks he is scum so he can push his agenda forward and not be under suspicion. A town player would not care how others think about them because he knows he is town and has nothing to hide. Warbaby's behavior has seemed to follow these ideals. If he was scum, he would've listened to me and halted his aggression way before he did. The FoS definitely would've been enough for him to listen to me. Scum are afraid of getting lynched, so even threatening a vote would be enough to shut a scum down. Since it didn't phase WB, I believe that he is town not being afraid of his image in order to get the scum lynched. On top of that, scum would not tunnel a town so hard because once the town flipped, the mislynch would be on the scum's head and the scum would be the next likely to go. I'd like to quote a few things from acid: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 09:01 Acid~ wrote: It is there. You have not made an analysis of my case to tell me why it was wrong. You have not responded to my valid concerns about warbaby's play. You have just dismissed them saying "meh, I don't buy it" without giving reason. And now you want to discuss other people and let warbaby off the hook? I don't care about saving my "sorry" ass, I care about finding scum. If I die today and the vote pattern or discussion reveals warbaby's scumbuddy I'm fine with it. I still win if I'm dead. And + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 08:23 Acid~ wrote: Then where are we on the lynching of the first scum? I'm not going to get off warbaby's case until he flips or someone presents a stronger case on someone else. I have other scumreads but they're not as strong. There's no value in discussing them right now. IF I'm right about warbaby then I have a solid lead on the second one. If I'm wrong, then I have a different lead. Just going to leave this here for you: Corazon thinks warbaby's unwillingness to unvote me is a town tell. He also thinks the same thing from me is a scum tell. Why is that, in your opinion? To me it seems the complete reasoning why not voting for warbaby fits acid pretty good too. He's pushing his case and vote and doesn't care what the town thinks of him ("not a popularity contest"). And now quoting yourself: "On top of that, scum would not tunnel a town so hard because once the town flipped, the mislynch would be on the scum's head and the scum would be the next likely to go." Fits perfectly too. | ||
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glurio
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I still think warbaby has to die. ##Vote: warbaby Another lie (i never said ska was town). Then the "my flip will blow your mind", to "its not the best move but also not the worst". In his last posts it looks like he gave up. | ||
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glurio
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He by far made the most mistakes all game. His really suspicious D1 last minute vote switch. He had two scumreads and switched his vote to a lurker. After that he started calling his own reads weak. All this claiming, switching votes randomly. ("How can we seriously lynch any of these people right now, its almost a random lynch." Quote warbaby, while still voting for one of them.) Clear scum for me. | ||
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I do think sn0 tells the truth though. He was always town in my mind. So i stick with my guts and my read on warbaby. | ||
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Right now i've see the situation like this: Either cake and slay or sn0 with slay/cora/cake are the scum. What favors team lurker in my opinion is: no kill in the N1, so both lurkers really didn't send an action in. Also slays play in the beginning was scummy as hell. (Always points out he's noob town, who wants to be recognised as noob? No one will listen, it just doesn't make sense in my eyes.) Cake conveniently became active just before the D2 Lynch. Seeing his, mostly inactive, scum buddy parked on the claimed medic. So he tried to get him lynched earning him a ton of town cred. Either way he would win. Now what i believe is more likely: sn0 is scum. Gambling with claiming cop and just one minute to late to unvote, what a shame! Could have unvoted 5 minutes earlier if u wanted, you were here the whole time. You were the one who actually convinced me to keep my vote on warbaby with your whole "i don't wanna check him i wanna see him die." You didn't unvote, so i didn't. Thought the whole game you were right. Then while warbaby claimed, confusing everybody with "the real doctor shouldn't claim blahblah" and then went to "please claim real doctor" all the while after the claim staying on warbaby with your vote. This would either work out with cora, his supposedely N1 target who could be either town or scum who's just in this whole charade or one of the lurkers. Who also parked his vote on warbaby and left to go do "work", but has time 20 minutes after the lynch to sneak in a message? Just before the lynch i'm sure there wasn't time to unvote. For me sn0 right now is clearly scum. | ||
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glurio
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Your bullshit cop gamble seems to have paid off. So whoever you “check“ tonight will turn out red followed by another orchestrated mislynch by you. You and whoever is your scumteam will win. Already said the double lurker no-action scenario is the unlikely one cake. I'll try to narrow my candidates down tomorrow. Don't have time today last exam tomorrow wanna sleep early. So i'm off for the night. | ||
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On February 01 2013 11:40 cakepie wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 01 2013 10:00 zarepath wrote: It's possible you should no-lynch tomorrow so you have the time to MAKE Sn0 either make two reads, or be lynched again by scum and still be in a good spot. What do people think about this? Do you think that if we no-lynch today, scum will have to kill Sn0 with the N3 nightkill? I feel that: If Sn0 is really cop, scum would be happy to let him get a check in and kill someone else instead. They can still discredit the hell out of him again on D4, it would be no different from today. If Sn0 is scum with cop fakeclaim, he'll live through to D4 anyways <-- this possibility enables the WIFOM value above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For now, we've already heard from glurio during N2, but Slayalot has not posted in 28 hours. So I'm going to start with this and see where it takes us with regard to my two strongest scumreads. ##Vote: Slayalot ##FoS: glurio Reason: On February 01 2013 04:00 cakepie wrote: who is simply content to safely cast weak suspicions all over the place without commitment, sheep opinions that are already expressed by other players, and wagon their vote without justification. as well as voting patterns D1 voting 27 21:17 zarepath -> AFKing 28 00:39 warbaby -> SkaPunk 28 03:41 Sn0_Man -> SkaPunk 28 03:59 cDgCorazon -> Abenson 28 05:08 Slayalot -> SkaPunk 28 05:22 glurio -> SkaPunk 28 08:35 warbaby -> Abenson 28 09:37 warbaby -> AFKing 28 09:55 cDgCorazon -> SkaPunk D2 voting As at Slayalot's 31 Jan 07:02 KST vote: 29 10:46 Acid -> warbaby 29 11:02 warbaby -> Acid 29 15:30 warbaby -> -none- 30 02:38 Sn0_Man -> warbaby 30 07:57 cDgCorazon -> Acid 31 00:34 zarepath -> warbaby 31 03:06 warbaby -> Slayalot 31 05:38 glurio -> warbaby 31 06:31 zarepath -> -none- 31 06:37 warbaby -> glurio 31 07:02 Slayalot -> warbaby [...] warbaby (4): Acid, Sn0, Look at sn0s voting pattern and don't just cherry pick what fits your agenda. also On February 01 2013 04:00 cakepie wrote: [/spoiler]who is simply content to safely cast weak suspicions all over the place without commitment, sheep opinions that are already expressed by other players, and wagon their vote without justification. Since N1 i thought warbaby was scum, clearly explained in nearly all my posts. I was the first one to bring up warbabys odd vote pattern D1. That also should explain my vote on D2. I never casted weak suspicion i casted strong one right at warbaby. I also believed sn0s claim and not warbabys. And i clearly commited myself to warbaby. And why i'm now getting more active? Pretty simple really: i don't want to lose, especially not to some bullshit gamble like sn0s fake claim. If we are led to believe his claim he will easily be able to bring us to another mislynch, like he did with warbaby before. Don't believe Sn0 he is lying scum. + Show Spoiler + On February 01 2013 07:02 glurio wrote: There is nothing hilarious about it. You turned out to be scum. Your bullshit cop gamble seems to have paid off. So whoever you “check“ tonight will turn out red followed by another orchestrated mislynch by you. You and whoever is your scumteam will win. Already said the double lurker no-action scenario is the unlikely one cake. I'll try to narrow my candidates down tomorrow. Don't have time today last exam tomorrow wanna sleep early. So i'm off for the night. Of course after i called out he couldn't find a red one. I don't believe a no-lynch is a good option we should just lynch Sn0. If we don't lynch him today he'll just kill one of his town reads who is actually town and we are in the same position with 3-2 instead of 4-2 against Sn0s scum team. | ||
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