EPTtons of free time now that voulenteer work is done.
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Mr. Cheesecake
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tons of free time now that voulenteer work is done. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 02 2013 15:09 yamato77 wrote: fuck it /in CC I tunnel you all day. Everytime you tunnel me i'm town hehe. And I'm busy solving the game. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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I think we should take our time with this game, but make our decision by the 72 hour-ish mark. As long as we aren't making emotional lynch swings we should be okay. Imo, treat it like any majority deadline game, but be very aware before you vote. I don't want the excuse "Oh, I didn't know it was the hammer." etc. I'm curious as to how the omniscient Rise knows the setup already...? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 04 2013 10:17 RiseAgain wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112#2 Its in the OP. Reading is an useful skill. Oh you mean just the setup in general. I thought you were referring to one of the four possible setups that the game rolled. I thought you somehow knew it. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 04 2013 10:25 RiseAgain wrote: My lack of omniscience haunts me. I'll work harder on it for next game. So, based on the info in the OP, what do you think the optimal play is? Is there one? Optimal play? There is no optimal play other than lynching the scummiest player and being clear-headed. Blue roles are only there to throw a wrench into the mafia agenda. I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to with your "setup idea" | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 04 2013 10:45 jaybrundage wrote: Well we can rule out Palmar as the smurf. In regards to your idea about the set up. It seems that if we have a parity cop. And then lynch the person the parity cop targeted night one. We would have confirmed towns and confirmed scum easily. As we have no millers or GF's. The only trick would be for the parity cop to push his lynch well with out getting outed. Unless you have some idea for claiming. That's if the parity cop exists. I'd also rather not game the setup like we did in WCMM. Just detracts from the game imo. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 04 2013 10:52 Hapahauli wrote: Talking about blues = not good idea, unless you're mafia and looking for snipes. Thank you. Let's just play the game and lynch some scummers. No doing fancy shenanigans with the setup. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 04 2013 11:17 Hapahauli wrote: Is Rise a smurf? He seems to me more like a guy who stumbled upon our parts from mafiascum.net or something. Perhaps I'm wrong. Either way it doesn't matter, just another face I don't know. Easier to judge based on face value, without all the meta behind it. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 04 2013 11:32 Hapahauli wrote: @ Mr.CC Well I'd interpret him withholding his game history a lot differently if he was a smurf. And looking at his profile... yeah he's a smurf. 'doh. British flag and whatnot. Haha that's hilarious. Still, we can't judge anything based on him being a smurf. Not really going to dwell or speculate on it further. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 04 2013 11:40 MrZentor wrote: I feel that creating an arbitrary limit will only limit town, regardless of whether that limit is one that shortens or lengthens the day. We should instead have guidelines. 48-72 hours ^ Agree with this sentiment | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 04 2013 11:42 jaybrundage wrote: We should lynch someone when we feel confident they are mafia. We should always be aware of the hammer vote. People should be responsible for there hammer vote. We shouldn't rush a lynch cause we lost discussions to read people with. Policy Lynches rarely work so we should refrain from doing them. Pretty straight forward imo. So the hammer vote takes full responsibility for the lynch? Everyone who votes is responsible, not just the hammering guy. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 04 2013 11:54 MrZentor wrote: By the way, I will be reserving my vote, just so I can the first to lynch somebody. atta boy Z | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Home from my shift and such. Reading the shitfest that is DP-Hapa (kind of sounds like a porno) interaction atm and catching up. Questions, people, questions. Anyone? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 05 2013 10:21 Hapahauli wrote: @ CC Most interested in comments/reads/etc rather than specific questions. Hard to ask questions since you haven't really done anything. Cool bro, just let me shower off the stank from work. I got something brewing in my head methinks. Also, you're sexy. Keep it up good-lookin'. BRB | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 05 2013 10:22 MrZentor wrote: Why haven't you done anything? I was on last night before anything juicy happened. Just Rise and policy stuff, none too interesting. Worked a 12 hour shift, gave a little update on my whereabouts during lunch, and here am I. So Xatalos is scummy yo + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 07:23 Xatalos wrote: Sorry for the late entrance, but I warned about this pre-game :/ Anyways, there are a couple of players whose posting I haven't liked so far: MrZentor Additional discussion time benefits town and damages Mafia. Mafia's agenda is to stall discussion and create confusion - both of these goals are achieved by faster lynches where less players can offer their opinions. From my point of view, the above post is pushing Mafia agenda. This post basically repeats what was already said in the previous post... Plus some obvious setup talk that anyone could post, no matter their alignment. It's quite unnecessary to mention that his "faster lynches plan" is a guideline and not a strictly enforced rule. Who would have thought so in the first place, really? Another post that doesn't fit into town agenda. Regardless of the trollish appearance, this post actually gives MrZentor more breathing room if he just joins a bandwagon without good reasoning later on. He told he would do so after all, didn't he? More fluff... So far there's nothing townish in MrZentor's filter, and too much useless/anti-town stuff to be overlooked. If he's town, he needs to change his playstyle completely. If he's Mafia, he needs to continue on his current path and convince us he can't be town. Mr. Cheesecake Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far. I'm not looking good so far. Lol k. Why the hell isn't Xatalos attacking me for wanting a shorter lynch time? I basically said 48-72 hoursish just like MrZ. I agreed with MrZ on that point. Inconsistency much? Why is it not okay for MrZ to want a shorter lynch time, but seemingly alright with me to want it? jaybrundage This is his whole filter. It's certainly... lacking, for a lack of better word. First he speculates a bit about blue roles, then gives a list of vague of his policy opinions, then leaves. It's just all too vague and pointless for my liking. What's up with this lack of effort, interest, anything really? Some players have been very active so far and it's definitely a good theme in this game. But some players (like these 3 above) have done practically nothing, even if they have posted. That should be some reason for concern to anyone. Just look at these reasons for attacking MrZ. "Omg you want less time in the game? Obvious mafia-agenda pushing. It's such a cheap shot it's disgusting, and what an easy thing to point out. Some goes for the point about hammer votes. He attacks MrZ for a fairly null comment, it means nothing. Why the hell isn't Xatalos attacking me for wanting a shorter lynch time? I basically said 48-72 hoursish just like MrZ. I agreed with MrZ on that point. Inconsistency much? Why is it not okay for MrZ to want a shorter lynch time, but seemingly alright with me to want it? So his first post of the game pretty much calls out a third of the thread. Stuff on Jaybrundage is bland and basically summarizes instead of analyzes. Then comes the mother of all contradictory posts: On January 05 2013 07:49 Xatalos wrote: Well, for starters, I think you're most likely town. I can't believe a Mafia would outpost everyone in the thread and engage in every possible topic. Does that make DarthPunk Mafia in my eyes? Not really. I agree with many things he says, and his filter just reads fairly townish to me - this post for example: I consider DarthPunk to be trying to figure out the game, not trying to drive his own agenda. That's always town points +++ in my books. I don't like him labeling you as his main suspect, considering your heavy activity and overall townish agenda, but it would be stupid for Mafia to target someone like you as well. I think it's just a case of town vs town flamewar. That's happened so many times before, and not even once has a war between active players A and B resulted in one of them flipping Mafia (in my games). Ugh, I don't like giving some players the benefit of the doubt if they're "lynch baits". That just encourages them to play anti-town as Mafia and then get away with it. Especially MrZentor's playstyle is so irritatingly useless and hard to read... What's the point of signing up if he justs posts some one liners anyway? So he thinks DarthPunk is town, and provides a reason to back it up. Cool beans. Not even a half-hour later: On January 05 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote: Hmmm... I can kind of see what you're getting at. For example, this post: Look at these three bolded statements. First you're the scariest player in the game. Then you're retard town (or scum). Then you're certainly scum. These statements just contradict each other. This kind of flip-flopping about your A) skill level B) alignment doesn't make me feel good about DP. Even so, I don't like lynching one of the most active players when most players have done (practically) nothing. Especially this early. Well, I'm not really sure how MrZentor is so easy to read... I'm having extreme difficulties reading him. And I've played with him in two games before too. It shouldn't be too hard to fake some joke posts, right? Especially with his general low activity and lack of any content. So now DarthPunk is possibly scum and he provides a quote with a bunch of dem bolded statements to back it up. But didn't Xatalos just say that DP was looking town? That he agreed with a lot of what he had to say? This is a huuuuuge 180 right here. He just felt very comfortable with DP being town. Now he feels uneasy. Dat 180 on DP. Explain. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 05 2013 09:46 jaybrundage wrote: @Xalatos I dont plan to post just to post. When I'm ready to give my thoughts ill do so. Dont like this post from CC its twisting my words for no reason. It feels like a post just to post and look like hes contributing with out saying anything. Ofc the Hammer vote isn't going to take responsibility for the whole lynch but he does seal the deal. Also Hapa on your case on DP I think you bring up some good points. Specifically him calling you out with any case. And saying lurking is terrible but not pressuring any lurkers. I'm not twisting your words. You made it seem like whoever done did dat hammer vote was super responsible and everyone else was mostly abstained from judgment. If that's not what you meant, sorry brother. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 05 2013 12:14 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm looks like RiseAgain has still not responded.... Anyway moving onto the matters more at hand for now. I don't think that DP or Hapa are scum, it feels much more like townies at each others throats for minor things. While I can see where both are coming from during the exchange I does kind of worry me that DP does not follow up with a vote as Hapa does. Does not seem to fit when he calls him scum more than once earlier. @Mr.CC Xatalos is kind of a lynchbait in itself. He is not that easy to read (at least for me), but what I have seen so far from him does not really convince me on his scumminess. From time to time he does these 180-turns but usually it is because he lays his entire thoughtprocess out and therefore every nook and turn of his mind is in the thread. He is nullish right now. I want to see more from RiseAgain, so ##Vote: RiseAgain get in here and do something please!  I'd like to hear more for you as well. If not Rise, who would be your biggest scummer read right meow? Rise I would consider the lynchbait right now imo. ##Vote: Xalatos btw | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote: Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said? Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target. CC is scummy. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Lol k | ||
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