EPTUnder the assumption that this doesn't start tomorrow
If it starts tomorrow I may need to be modkilled despite the OP saying that that should never ever happen 
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Under the assumption that this doesn't start tomorrow If it starts tomorrow I may need to be modkilled despite the OP saying that that should never ever happen | ||
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 Btw, due to the delay between thread going up and starting, I am back in Brazil and a completely normal schedule. I promise commitment, dedication and fun! | ||
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Firstly, millers should claim, masons should not. There is currently NO reason to claim mason and it is an easy claim to make if you or your partner runs into trouble, or it's lylo. However, masons SHOULD make a very subtle breadcrumb (note the subtle, I don't even want to whiff it if it exists). Then notify your mason buddy about how it's done. If mafia/sk inadvertently offs one of the masons, the other one has some decent evidence to back his claim up. Millers should claim, so that people can't claim miller after DT checks come back red (we still have a potential framer to deal with, but that can be dealt with IF we get red checks). Mafia, feel free to claim miller as well. Claiming miller does not automatically exculpate you: it is only there to remove the "but wait guys, i'm a miller"-excuse out of the equation. For the record, I am NOT a miller. Now, on to the suspicions and stuff. I have no clue what to make of kush's derping and release's suspicions, so for the moment I will simply make nothing of it and sit here and observe how this game goes. However, I do see a lot of people I don't know. So how about a round of introductions. I'll start. I am Acro. I am awesome. Some games: Moderately representative town game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892 Scum game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514 Please everybody, do the same sorta thing. Makes crossreferencing your playstyle a bit easier than having to delve through your profile. | ||
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My main problem with Release is this post: On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes. Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet. | ||
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On November 01 2012 10:25 Release wrote: I will state now that i think Meta-Analysis (which Hapaluchi loves) is very weak to useless. ________________________________________________ @Mattchew: Skewing his words how? He was asking for the mason to claim in his posts while calling it the miller. Then he goes and says the town who could talk to each other, but avoid saying mason. This gives him the chance to say "I meant the miller" if the mason claims. Meta is far from useless. It's not easy to use, though, and therefore often used wrong. However, it is very powerful when used right. So in that light, please let us know a bit more about yourself. Do you have previous games on this forum? No. Kush was quite obviously confusing Millers with Masons. He said Miller, but described Mason. In his later post he clarified (when thrawn pointed out that he seemed to be confusing the two) and added "Masons should claim" as his own idea... kinda on the same line as mass claiming. Is it a good idea? No. Is it potentially fishing for blues? Yes. Is it inherently scummy? No. In fact, as scum I tend to pay MORE attention to details, so I am inclined to write weird derps like this off as more likely to be made by town. However, this is a meta-call which does not work for everybody. | ||
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On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct? That is correct. @Release: I could vote for you, but there's no point yet. Why the rush with over 40 hours left in D1? As I said at the top of that post: I don't like your followup and can easily read a scum motive into it. However, it's D1 and tunneling on one player is not the way I like to play D1 (it leads to a mislynch 90% of the time). | ||
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On November 01 2012 10:54 Mattchew wrote: can you expand and explain this to me like im 5 Zealos has the rather horrid quality of a scummy meta as town (although I have been away from TL Mafia for a while, so maybe he's improved). That allows him to slide by as scum, but also causes him to get mislynched early in the game as town. However, I find him easier to get a bead on later in the game (somewhat similar to bluelightz). I don't see anything inherently wrong with Zealos first posts. It's setup discussion, but we were about 5 minutes into the game. | ||
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On November 01 2012 09:09 Zealos wrote: I highly doubt a mafia would get so aggressive right off the bat imo. Just seems like dumb reasoning, is all. I read this as Zealos making a judgement call about Release: he highly doubts that this act is a scumplay as it is badly timed agression from a scum point of view. I don't think this is Zealos saying that aggression is a town trait, however I don't claim to have insight knowledge about what Zealos was thinking when he made that post. Imho it contains too little information to make a read on. | ||
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On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote: Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion. So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly. Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip. Why bring up a policy you don't agree with yourself? In fact, why bring up a policy that in a previous game you described as: On June 25 2012 11:20 Release wrote: ##vote Hopeless1der I think Mafia is a very intricate game, and to say Lynch those who do not tell the truth is retarded. <snip> Can you explain why you thought bringing up this policy is now a good idea? | ||
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Can you explain your thoughts behind bringing up this policy which you evidently don't agree with yourself? | ||
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Lets do this. ##vote Muso PS. Don't worry your pretty little head about the above post. Fairly certain we will need that info by the end of D1 anyway, but I know enough about encryption to say: don't bother trying to decrypt it. | ||
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On November 02 2012 00:20 thrawn2112 wrote: if i don't see anyone claiming to be muso's mason buddy i'm definitely going to vote muso but same might be true for Acrofales does anyone care to explain to me why acrofales' claim is more believable than muso's? What possible reason do scum have to COUNTER claim a mason claim? It is pants-on-head retarded. I am guessing that scum decided to hatch a plot to become confirmed town, betting that there wouldn't be any town masons (not too big a risk in the given setup). But that bet went horribly wrong. | ||
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On November 02 2012 00:35 prplhz wrote: Acrofales, why did you decide that you and not your mason buddy should claim? I mean, I remember you owning up all scum in Holy Roman Mafia, why did you decide that it's a better idea to paint a target on your head rather than your mate's? Pretty much that reason. I am not expecting to live too long, given the low number of veterans this game. I can't hide behind anybody, so would probably make a good target N1 in any case. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [probability calculation] + To get two mason pairs you need to get 5 Ms in 7 "throws". Each M has a 1/10 probability of being "thrown". So each There are 2 over 5 ways of throwing 5 Ms in 7 throws, so 21 possible sequences. Each sequence has a probability of (1/10)^5*(9/10)^2 Total probability: (1/10)^5*(9/10)^2*21 = 0.017% The rest of Muso's filter is about how he is bad and lied to get into the game, which tells me nothing except he is rather apologetic. | ||
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Before that point, did you think mason+miller was simply a role all wrapped into one? And if not, who did you think was being called out to roleclaim: "town members who could talk to each other", or "people who would show red to alignment cops"? | ||
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On November 02 2012 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote: Acro, did you breadcrumb your mason role in your opening post? In that very opening post, you clearly state that you think masons should breadcrumb. No. Making a good breadcrumb is hard and we didn't think there was much rush. If I had made a breadcrumb, I wouldn't have had to bother with that encrypted post either, would I? | ||
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A miller is someone who mills. The wind/water mill was usually located outside, or on the outskirts of town. A favourite story setpiece is that the miller is suspected by the townfolk, because he is different: he lives outside the town and keeps to himself. However, he always turns out to be innocent (and maybe even saves the day). Hence the ingame role. A mason is short for a member of the freemason society. A rather secretive group of people who organize secret meetings. I don't know enough about them, but they are generally highly connected between each other. Hence their ingame role. Oh, and Release hasn't appeared yet either to chip in about Muso's epicly failed gambit. | ||
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The rest of the thread can wait til tomorrow when I am no longer drunk. | ||
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