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Keirathi
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On September 30 2012 10:42 HiroPro wrote: mafia usually doesn't lose kp with only 1 death. Having to kill 2 scum in a Mini before there are less than 2 KP is rough. If its 9/4 split, then day2 is MYLO. | ||
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Keirathi
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Mattchew I'm sure he has some town games somewhere in his filter, but every game I've seen him play in recent memory he's been scum (I Can't Believe Its Not Themed, DBZ, LVII). So what has he done this game? On September 30 2012 08:35 Mattchew wrote: Alright lets do this leeerrroooyy... anyway i am town and actually intend to put a lot of effort and thought into this game. I feel that the only person I havent played with(?) or atleast recognize them is crossfire99. I will be reading up on him(her?) game history now Claimed town. On September 30 2012 09:30 Mattchew wrote: I finished reading crossfire and eating dinner someone that has played in the past aperture game, what was crucial to town winning? Made sure we knew that he was town again. On September 30 2012 09:33 Mattchew wrote: also i will be away from my computer for around 45 minutes. lets get discussion started? any thoughts to possible scum/town breakdowns? 10/3 9/4 9/2/2? Started some pointless setup talk that hasn't actually generated useful discussion. I don't see any way that speculating on scum team/third party numbers is working towards finding scum. It's just bullshit to fill up the thread, and everyone regardless of alignment can reasonably comment on it. So yea, I'm thinking Mattchew rolled scum yet again. ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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Keirathi
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On September 30 2012 11:31 HiroPro wrote: Since when is saying "i'm town" alignment-indicative? It's not necessarily alignment indicative. That doesn't mean that it can't be alignment indicative. I caught scum in Newbie XIX for saying "Hey guys, I'm town!" like 100 times throughout the thread. | ||
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Keirathi
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On September 30 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote: was mattchew one of those players........................................................? Of course not. Why is that relevant? Its just a heuristic that I am now watchful for. What does a townie gain from saying "I'm town!" a bunch? | ||
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Keirathi
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That's my only scum game. I was town in Newbie XVII, XIX, and XXII, I Can't Believe Its Not Themed, and Dwarf Fortress. | ||
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Keirathi
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 ##Unovte For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post | ||
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Keirathi
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On September 30 2012 14:00 Drazerk wrote: ##vote Keirathi I'll be honest only a survivor / third party / idiot would back off a case that early with that little pressure against it. Now I'm going to go to bed. So you're saying you thought my case was good enough that I should have stuck with it? Yea...no. | ||
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Keirathi
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I wanted to derail the setup speculation. I did that. Simple enough. | ||
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On September 30 2012 14:32 Nisani201 wrote: ##Vote: Drazerk I don't understand why he's still pushing against Keirathi. His plan was clearly poorly thought out, I see no scum motivation behind it. Drazerk is taking a newbie mistake and calling it scum play. Poorly thought out newbie mistake? Here's a hint: we're still not talking about setup speculation! Trying to guess if there's 3 scum, or 4 scum, or 3 scum 1 third-party etc wasn't moving us towards actually catching any of them. As far as him still pushing me, its not a big deal. I'm a big kid, I can handle myself. | ||
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Keirathi
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On September 30 2012 14:37 Mattchew wrote: i also thought keirathi's sudden turnaround strange. i am trying to figure out if it was bad town play or nervous scum/3rd party play What was strange about it? | ||
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Keirathi
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On September 30 2012 14:54 Mattchew wrote: you admit your case is bad, which lacks confidence and is passive. if this was a plan, I don't see the town benefit by revealing it so quickly, and I don't see the town benefit to letting it play out either. Its easy to say you wanted to promote non-setup discussion; but if you were leading a discussion based off of admittedly bad logic that is just as bad for town if not worse because of the alignment implications. By revealing your hand so quickly you didn't allow for the discussion to shift. its super easy to now say told ya so, but in reality you didn't know where discussion would head when you admitted your plan. also, you used a lot of smiley faces in your passive post making it even more passive and scummy If I lacked confidence, why would I have even made the case to start with? Here was my thought process: I started reading the thread, and I saw the last few posts all speculating about the setup in a closed setup game. And I'll admit, I even threw my own comment out there. Then I realized that setup speculation wasn't doing anything to actually benefit town. So I went back and looked for who started the discussion, and it was you. Then I looked back at your earlier posts, remembered you seem to roll scum a lot, and you were doing a thing that I've personally used to identify scum. None of those things are major scum points, and the fact that you roll scum a lot isn't even relevant at all. I was satisfied with your defense (particularly your point about the "what can I expect this game" response), so I unvoted. There really wasn't anymore to it than that. The fact that we're still not talking about setup speculation is, of course, a bonus. PS, dunno if you were serious about the smileys=scum heuristic, but if so thats even worse than my "I'm Townie Town Town!"=scum heuristic. | ||
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Keirathi
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Anything besides trying to guess how many scum there are. I might not have the most games under my belt, but I'm fairly confident in my ability to play this game. I can defend myself and have no qualms answering any questions to me, or accusations against me. I just want it to be noted that I'm not the one using the newbie card here, its other people calling me a newbie. | ||
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Keirathi
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On September 30 2012 22:22 JingleHell wrote: People seem to be missing this. The first time he said it, he had some options in there, but now Draz seems focused on "Third Party" for Keirathi... Not scum, but potentially third party (based on all that same speculation about setup)? You suggesting you know who IS scum, Drazerk? ##Vote Drazerk Can you explain this logic leap to me? Here's the first quote you were talking about when he had some "options": On September 30 2012 14:00 Drazerk wrote: ##vote Keirathi I'll be honest only a survivor / third party / idiot would back off a case that early with that little pressure against it. Now I'm going to go to bed. Survivor IS third party. So he said I either had to be third party or idiot. I'm not really sure where you get that he's suggesting he therefor knows who scum is. | ||
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Keirathi
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On September 30 2012 16:14 Keirathi wrote: I think the misconception here is that people seem to think that I wanted my case on Matt to generate discussion about Matt. That's not really the case. I just wanted to generate discussion, period. If that discussion was about Matt? Great. About me? Great. About people who jumped in to defend or attack one or the other of us? Still great. Anything besides trying to guess how many scum there are. *snip* Again, I didn't need my case on Mattchew to generate discussion about HIM. I would have happily discussed it with other people if they came into the thread before he responded, but once he did and I was satisfied with his response (plus my meta check through his games), I really had no reason to leave my vote there. I'm certainly not sure that he's town or anything, but his response was townie enough that I unvoted. Here's a question for you, though. What's my scum motivation for doing that? | ||
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On October 01 2012 04:22 ghost_403 wrote: I'm pretty happy lynching Keirathi right now. He's putting way too much effort into scumhunting on Day 1 to build up towncred. Looking through previous filters when there's been, what, twenty posts in this game? No, that's not something that townies do. I vote we lynch him today, and mementoss tomorrow. WHO'S WITH ME. ##vote keirathi Are you fucking serious? | ||
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Keirathi
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Townies don't put in effort? That's the dumbest reasoning for a vote I've ever heard. | ||
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