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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 29 2012 16:45 GMT
#35
Im so happy I found this on the online queue or I woulda missed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 29 2012 21:28 GMT
#37
[image loading]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 30 2012 14:57 GMT
#107
On September 30 2012 23:55 Mattchew wrote:
well this is slow


no fear i m here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 30 2012 15:29 GMT
#108
I don't know anything about Keirathi's meta, but I do appreciate that his plan to make some sort of a case (weak) was town motivated to generate some productive discussion and provoke reactions from players. The fact that he revealed his plan and unvoted so quickly completely shuts down any plan he had however. I think more pressure needed to be on the player to see who sheeped and gave time for everyone to respond. But I don't think its mafia motivation to put yourself out there and unvote so quickly. Its a pretty null, but seeing keirathi as a newer player I think it was poorly executed town play with good intentions.

Agree with Mattchew thoughts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174&currentpage=5#99

This plan reminds me of Blazinghand making a plan on almost pure meta to start the game on prplhz to get the discussion going, which ultimately made for a great day 1 for town. (see RockBand Mini Mafia) Except BH kept the pressure on prplhz and then prplhz was lynched and was town lol.

I don't think its scummy for Drazerk to call out Keiriethi on his poorly executed plan either. It would be nice if he explained further why he thought it was scum motivated or 3rd party motivated rather than just stating anti-town. So I would like to here more of an explanation from Drazerk on this and in the future for his reads.

Now lets move onto a more meaty part of this post:

Austinmcc

On September 30 2012 15:44 austinmcc wrote:
...

I appreciate things getting off to a nice start, but really? Was I the only person who assumed that Keirathi didn't actually have some giant scumread on Mattchew? Given the reasons that he decided to vote mattchew (amg mattchew has used the term town and hasn't claimed a role that doesn't exist), I don't see the unvote as scummy. Vote for weak reasons, unvote for weak reasons.

Drazerk you ACTUALLY think it's anti-town to do that?


The fact that austinmcc can't see what drazerk is trying to say is mind boggling since austinmcc is not a noob. It was pretty clear to anyone reading the thread that Keirathia plan was done in the incorrect way as I went into above and as mattchew explained a bit further in his post. Also, austinmcc thinks this is getting off to a good start?? It seems pretty dead to me. On top of this weird misconception, his explanation for why the unvote is not scummy is lackluster. Vote has a lot more power than actually getting someone lynched. He's also asking sarcastic rhetorical questions, in which the answers are fairly fucking obvious. The lack of logic here is scummy, and trying to make drazerk look bad without reason to/ target the easiest player to target day 1 in this game, makes me think austinmcc is scum.

##Vote: Austinmcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 30 2012 21:26 GMT
#146
On October 01 2012 06:24 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
However, I could let Nisani pass, since he did minimally discuss his read of Drazerk later (it was 1 post, but at least it was something). Plus it's Nisani and I can see him acting like that as town.


Can you explain this a little more?

And I don't think your point on JingleHell is very good. I can see someone who isn't very familiar with Drazerk jumping on that.


But jinglehell played PTP3 with drazerk, you were there as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 30 2012 21:30 GMT
#149
On October 01 2012 06:29 Drazerk wrote:
Don't apply meta to me

I will intentionally fuck with it to screw you guys over


I wasn't I was just saying that HiroPros point on JingleHell was invalid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 30 2012 22:23 GMT
#161
@Gonzaw I think that it is still weird that austin completely switches stances on the Drazerk/keirathi squabble after I make that comment calling him scummy. I asked him why he came to flip flop on the issue and hasn't answered the question yet. Leaving my post on him, the way he commented on the situation seemed really weird for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 30 2012 22:28 GMT
#162
I'd like to note that Iamperfection has been in the thread on 3 separate time occasions and hasn't commented on anything really important or said anything of value yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 11:28 GMT
#200
On October 01 2012 08:53 iamperfection wrote:
@ memen why did you not include strongandbig when you mentioned that i did not include anything of "value" yet.


Because the difference between you and him at that point was you were active at 3 different occasions in the thread and chose not to say anything. S&B was active at the very start of the game, and then never posted, theres a difference I consider that inactive. Anyways, needless to say, I really disagree on the meta arguement that you are town, by their point, it would seem that you are fitting your scum play. At least when you posted in Rockband mini you had a purpose and you're one liners had something to do with the important discussion in town.

Here is the quote im referring to:

On October 01 2012 14:35 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 14:33 strongandbig wrote:
oh also keirathi i think you said you have a slight meta-based townread on iamperfection, could you tell us about his meta in your opinion? if you didn't say this then whoever did say this pls answer that question but i think it was keirathi.

It was me. I've played with scum iamperfection in a newbie game a couple months ago, and observed a few of his recent townie games. In his townie games he is cocky, while in his scum game he was careful and lurky. I know it was a while ago, and that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't be cocky if he rolled scum again if he was more confident in his play, but my initial read was town.


His play sure looks careful and lurker to me. Compare to this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250 where he is pretty agressive and constantly active throguhout the discussion from the get go.

##Unvote: Austinmcc
##Vote: Iamperfection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 14:52 GMT
#210
On October 01 2012 23:44 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah but ghost is not Palmar.

We all know how scum Palmar works, and that's a thing a scum Palmar would do. Is it a thing scum ghost would do?
(well, to be honest I don't remember him in any games where he was scum though)

Hmm, okay people, what do you guys think about lynching one of these guys:
JingleHell
Mementos
Nisani
CrossFire
austin
iamperfection

And if you'd switch to one of them, why would you do it?

Like I said before I have that same "weird" feeling about them, but again it seems none of them other than Mementos decided to show up to contribute at all.
It wouldn't bother me too much since it's D1, but we are getting too close to the lynch deadline and we have to choose a lynch.

We have like 0 information on the table, so it's VERY likely this lynch will be a misslynch, specially if there's some incognito scum in the group of Mementos/Hiro/Keirathi/(me lol)/etc that are driving discussion.

But fuck what else can we do, right?

I'm leaving in like 20 minutes and wondering if I should put my placeholder (or basically lynch vote) onto someone else.
I'm gonna eat now....so convince me people


Any reason for leaving out mattchew, strongandbig, hiropro, keirathi, drazerk? lol you can't make a list with 6/12 players (not including yourself) That is way too broad, you can't think they are all scum, and its way too easy for scum just to pick one that is not scum and go hey look, why 6 players instead of maybe 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 14:54 GMT
#211
EBWOP: Ghost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 14:56 GMT
#213
DEWBOP: Since when does gonzaw need convincing of who to lynch, isn't gonzaw the one that usually does the convincing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 16:18 GMT
#232
On October 02 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote:
austin why arent you voting iamperfection with me?


thoughts on Nisani and Jinglehell?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 16:20 GMT
#235
On October 02 2012 01:18 JingleHell wrote:
I'd love to know where you get the absurd notion that all I've done is "make excuses". Providing my reasoning for being careful (when you yourself pressed for that reasoning to be explained no less) is hardly making excuses.

Or do you want townies to lead mislynches?


we want you to promote discussion. which exactly what discussing your reads and making cases does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 17:26 GMT
#258
On October 02 2012 02:06 JingleHell wrote:
I'm noticing a trend. Both of the main people who want to lynch me are trying very hard to not be seen as the ones forcing the issue, and are basing it off of... not that much. That's Mattchew and Gonzaw, of course.

Amusingly, out of people who have talked to or about me, the one I'd be least suspicious of voting me also seems to be the one most inclined to actually wait for a good reason, and that's Keirathi.


Instead of spreading doubt on your lynch when it isn't even close why don't you put together a post explaining your top 2 scums reads with some sort of explanation why?

Stop defending yourself at every turn and explaining yourself try to actually push a read for the lynch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 18:49 GMT
#279
On October 02 2012 01:43 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote:
austin why arent you voting iamperfection with me?

Oh noes, I forgot.

##Vote: iamperfection

Sorry about that.

##Unvote
snip


This exchange read extremely weird for me, especially since before this austimccn has never mentioned Iamperfection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 21:21 GMT
#347
On October 02 2012 06:08 austinmcc wrote:
Mementoss, what's your read on Keirathi?


He's pretty null leaning town to me. The first bit was kinda awkward and I already explained my thoughts on that, but other than that he seems to be unafraid to post his mind openly and honestly. The only problem is his lack of scum hunting and not pushing his main scum reads at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 23:09 GMT
#382
Fucking right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 23:10 GMT
#383
if you read the link I gave to you Keirathi you would have realized his meta didn't match rock band at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 01 2012 23:54 GMT
#392
On October 02 2012 08:45 gonzaw wrote:
Town...you impress me


Jingle is town, but he's bad. Bolded bad. Chill out, don't OMGUS, pay attention and don't get all cocky and arrogant and spam the thread with those defenses of yours.
The way you argued and interacted with people and the way you kept "shitting things up" even though it was obvious you should have stopped doing that as scum makes me think there's a chance you can be town, so take that chance and try to play better.

ghost and Nisani are likely scum I think, Mementos and Crossfire are there too.

ghost/Nisani/Mementos/Crossfire/Drazerk

I think all remaining scum are in there

Small reasoning here (I have to do some shit, and will have to consolidate a post of mine with all my thoughts and shit and that may take a while, so this is the tl;dr version):

ghost:
Yes, I had a "gut" feeling his initial posts may have been from "trolling" townie....but I get the gut feeling he's using scum tactics to pile onto Keirathi there. That post of his reeks of "I'm scum trying to make a case against someone I really want suspicion on".
No comments about iamperfection's interactions with him and viceversa.
Will read him fully later.
Nisani:
His "comeback" post was too fluffy and didn't contribute at all. He's not part of discussions at all, and doesn't even try to be.
"Not part of discussions"->Easiest heuristic for finding scum/town.
"Nisani is not part of discussions"->It's more likely he's scum.
Mementos:
He didn't do anything at all throughout D1. Same heuristic here as well, he hasn't been part of any discussion even though he was active (like when ghost asked him a question).
He didn't heavily push iamperfection so his vote on him doesn't mean anything, specially since unvoting him would not change anything.
Still, it doesn't seem right that he'd bus his scummate that early and never try to shift attention to some other townie, so I'll keep that in mind.
Crossfire:
This guy HAS to be scum. He has done 0 contributions at all and spent 70% of his post "joking" with Drazerk about how he's "confused" about him.
Drazerk:
Doesn't contribute and just skates by. Like I said he's likely to do the same as town because of the style of his play; but as time goes by it only increases the chances of him being scum.
Maybe S&B:
I dunno, I'll have to wait if he decides to be useful or not.

About Keirathi:
This dude is active as fuck, I heavily doubt he's scum at all nor even 3rd party.
Like I said before, there are some subtle things that make him town (like the same things that make Hiro town). Specially his attitude, activity and interactions with other people.

Everybody that's suspicious of him reread his filter and the D1 thread, and then tell me in the eyes he's scum (and not just townie that made mistakes) and explain why.


Yeah this is a shitty post, I'll be back later


P.S: See? This is why you always pay attention to Mattchew. Even if he's scum he 100% busses all his teammates so you are bound to kill any scum he points fingers at.


wat

Didn't do anything

First one to post a case on Iamperfection and make a case

Also, what timing. No posting since you left but you manage to make it back 50 minutes after the night post. But nothing before the deadline.

Also this last post before you take off for the rest of the day struck me as odd. Pretty weak reason to switch/ odd timing:

On October 01 2012 23:58 gonzaw wrote:
Matt, Hiro and Keirathi are all likely town.

S&B I'm torn off but wouldn't want lynched since I know he steps up his game after N1 (as seen in like all games I've been with him as town).
Drazerk is Drazerk, I see no reason to think he's scum and lynch him right now.

Yes, it's easy for scum to pick any townie from that list at random and point fingers, but there's no reason to believe him.
I trust some people here more than others, and it's the opinion of those that I'll take into account to determine my choice.
The "scummy" people would be forced to choose so I can see how they interact and contribute, but not to completely sway my opinion.

Well, tough luck I'm leaving right now.
You know what, fuck it:

##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: JingleHell

I don't really buy that "the world is against me" attitude and I haven't seen any contribution from him other than his scummy read on Drazerk (maybe his unvote is not that scummy, but it's the only thing I can go on).

Take into account that's a rash vote/placeholder, but oh well.

So long people!


Also the tone in your posts don't seem like your town self.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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