EPTFrom what I have seen so far, mafia must be having a field day with this thread.
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From what I have seen so far, mafia must be having a field day with this thread. | ||
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However I see a major difference like no major scumslip. Also given that near everyone seems content on him being a choice (although no real major voting), I am not inclined to lynch him until he posts more to get a better read. I would however like to see more from (surprise) Mattchew at this moment. Given his ballsy play last game, and the fact that my experience with him is that he is slightly more confident a player, I am not very impressed with his current play this game. It feels too underwhelming from my experience with him. If I am wrong I do apologize on this, but he has only really justified the behaviour of Shady, and asked people for their opinions. Not a lot to go on, and very non commital. I would like to see more posting from both these players, as well as seeing a more from sloosh and marvel so I can solidify a read on them. | ||
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On October 02 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote: I made it because he wrote the word SPIES. That word doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this game. Same as...q-bertz or whoever writing the word "mole" in bureaucracy. If you know something about a role that nobody knows EXISTS yet, then you're not town. Spies doesn't exist, he mentions spy reads, therefore he's not town. Turns out spies exist in some similar game, as a normal thing that people know about. -_- if you read the OP you would clearly see above the roles that all in the game are included but details of them are not known. If their was a role with the name of spy everyone would know about it just not what it does. You jumping on him for something that is obviously not a role and wanting to lynch screams to me "i found a powerrole, lets lynch it" You have a horrible reason for jumping on KJ and it screams desperate for a reason to lynch him. As for everyone else currently voting. What exactly did he do that he hasn't done as town before? I am serious, KJ has behaved near identical in wtfness in games as town before, been lynched for it and we all groan and sigh. Again as a reader I have seen near no backlash to said lynch which means it seems people don't give a shit about it. Any lynch with such a passive case with near no push against it suggests mafia are fine with said lynch. I am going to sort through the thread now in more detail but seriously this is retarded. Killing an active player day 1 on the case built so far is appalling. People are being allowed to get by with 0 posting (I am at fault currently for not posting) and random shit isn't being called out for shitty behaviour. Going to read and analyze currently, hopefully I can find something salvagable in this day. | ||
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On October 01 2012 19:13 risk.nuke wrote: Fist things first. Now you don't have the first clue about what fake-contribution is which makes it difficult to discuss the subject. A person fake-contributing is someone floating around, have proven to be active + Show Spoiler + otherwise they must fall into the lurker category untill they reach a certain amount of posts which has nothing whatsoever do to with their posts/day ratio) Meaning they can be both lurkers and fake-contributers but not for a couple of days. As for most fake-contributing posts they are not some sort of evil posts in disguise only visible to your lens of truth. They are simply general posts and most often helpful to a lesser degree. Most importantly what you don't grasp is both townies and scum do them and are because of this null-tells. I have absolutely no idea what you mean when you say townies have absolutely no purpose fake-contributing. It's purified dumb. 1 Having now explained the term fake-contributor I can answer your post. It's bullshit to call someone a fake-contributor day 1 almost without exception because it's in generally to early to tell the persons agenda. 2 I voted for shady because it's down to him versus KingJames. Additionally I agreed and considered Shady being scummy even as I suggested the kush lynch. Which was done because I didn't want to sheep others the first thing I did (because there is little value in that) and because I wanted to discuss other candidates then shady (which was shutdown asap by marv, but nevertheless told me something about marv) As for why I choose kush the filters weren't implied so I picked the first suspicious filter I found. 3 A kush lynch i don't see happening and a voteswitch to kush now I'd disagree with because my suspicion against a successful late bandwagon switch would be greater then my suspicion against kush. (Node. you're late to the party.) If you rephrase the question. Am I still suspicious against kush I will tell you I think kush is scummier now then I did at the time I suggested the vote on him. This is by far one of the scummiest posts I have read in this game so far. First off if you notice the bolded section I made nice for you guys by his second point to his "answer" to kreb you will notice him directly lying. He never once said he found shady scummy while suggesting a new lynch. His only posts before attempting to "push" a new choice was his in post, saying how epic drH games were, then saying we should vote for kush. You know what he didnt do? Tell people why he thinks we should kill kush, why he thinks kush is even a valid lynch choice. Pushing a lynch or attempting to push a lynch usually means justification is needed. He doesn't even give a reason except hes suspicious. Yet has stated that he finds the person he wanted to lynch scummier now then he originally did. WHY IS HE NOT PUSHING THIS. A townie should not in any circumstance be fine with killing someone else without at least attempting to push their own read if they are more certain of it. The following posts risk have made since this one have all been fluff and actually follow through on his entire "fake contribution" non sense. He states you cannot determine someones agenda day 1 but you can easily do so if a person is being so obvious about it. I am going to continue reading through the thread more but this is post screams red to me as it as well as every post he has done since has screamed "fake contribution" and not actually caring about the game. | ||
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On October 02 2012 05:57 Kreb wrote: That is another reason Im starting to feel a bit bad about him. Him moving on from extremely general advice to the whole thread about "we need to play like this guys" to taking light jabs at a lurker or two (who admittedly didnt contribute much) also follows what I could see being a inexperienced player trying to get out of trouble. That said I still dont really feel comfortable voting Kush either. He is very hard to read but as marv pointed out this might be town-kush playing and not mafia-kush. Too bad the deadline is pretty much the worst ever for me (at about 2h before I get up for work) so I wont be able to change my vote should anything come up the last 4-5h. Im still leaning towards KJ because its seemingly much less of a loss mislynching him than someone more active though. I'll try to make up my mind in the next 2h or so and present my vote. As someone who is familiar with KJ as a player. When he gets going, he is one of the most active players you can see in a game. If he fails to keep up said activity once it starts, or is pushing insanely mafia aligned moves then it is likely he is scum, however I have yet to personally see anything from him that isn't part of his normal meta. Also, given that near no one is contributing in meaningful ways at the moment having shitty posts from people is going to happen. Attempting to force discussion is fucking hard and near no one does it without looking bad. | ||
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Given the play I have witnessed, I feel austin and risk have a higher chance at striking red compared to mattchew given that its day 1. I am unsure as of which I will vote for. One has what I think is the worst post in the thread given following behaviour, the other appears to be rolefishing/attempting to lynch someone with obvious fucked logic/trying to lynch a potential blue claim. | ||
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On October 02 2012 06:50 kushm4sta wrote: BC I like your defence of kj more than your scumreads. You basically you are distancing yourself from this lynch without pushing a viable alternative. The recent post from VE. I'm not quite sure why you keep saying it doesn't matter even though you clearly think it does. Do not take this as a flame: Anul made you hid bitch and now you are dickriding him? You prod him lightly, he rages, you run away scared, then you praise him for being a difficult target? What makes him a difficult target...high hanging fruit? I believe I pointed out two alternatives. Both for reasons I am willing to lynch them for. Given that neither has posted much, what else would you like me to do? I had given you a reason why I won't help lynch KJ and two possible alternatives. So before you spout lies, how about you read my posts. Do you agree with my read on risk? yes or no? Do you think my pointing out of austins behaviour revolving the "spy" word as fucking odd beyond belief given information required to know its not a role is in the OP. Seriously. Please read before you poke at me. | ||
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On October 02 2012 06:53 marvellosity wrote: Kinda glad you did that VE, because I didn't want to have to come into the thread saying "VE has a valid excuse for not posting like a mofo, but I don't want to share without him saying so". The rest of talis' case is just bad. How is VE stirring up things a little (not even a lot, and he doesn't keep harping on about it) in the slightest alignment indicative? VE happily does the same as either town or scum. The 'low-hanging fruit' business barely merits a response. Can otherwise be read as "comments on stuff relevant to the thread". And the hypocrisy behind the activity thing is just immense. I find the entire case quite scummy, but it's ameliorated by the fact that talis didn't know of VE's activity stuff, and could have had terrible confirmation bias for the rest of the case. I'll be looking for talis to conform to *his* town meta with more posts and contributions. BC: that's news to me about kj's meta, I've never seen him play before. Going to have to reconsider. I don't really share your feelings about risk though, the biggest surprise to me is how much and the length with which he's posted. It seems he's already posted more than in his entire scum game in Bureaucracy, I'm not feeling it. eh id say using bureaucracy is a bad choice. Completely different game mechanic compared to this one no? | ||
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Do you at least see why I would be suspicious of him at least marvel? and you have your read disagreeing with mine based on his previous game meta? | ||
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On October 02 2012 07:05 kushm4sta wrote: I got a null read on all those people you said. And your cases? A few sentences if that. The cases are weak. They are not viable lynches because no one has voted for them as of yet. You need some kind of epic case to convince all those people quick enough. And your cases, if you wanna call them that, aren't going to convince anybody. A single case should near never start the lynch. It should start a discussion (much like what is going on) to see if via discussion the consensus is someone is mafia. If you believe you are 100% right on your read then obviously you push it beyond all belief. However it requires more than a single post. | ||
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On October 02 2012 07:07 risk.nuke wrote: BC talk to me scumshit. You show up late with a forced post in which you wildly misinterpret what I said, trying to twist find loopholes in my words too frame shit on me and. Additionally you state out of the blue you want to lynch 3 new targets with half of europe asleep untill the daypost. What are you trying to accomplish and how are you trying to make that happen? Forced? you had a shit post and I commented on it. Surprisingly easy to analyze posts that look horrifically scummy. As for loopholes? How have you not done exactly as you outlined as fake contributing? Remove the horrible "you cant tell this day 1" bullshit. You have done absolutely dick fuck all that has been in any shape or form helpful. You have lied. I am not twisting your words I am telling you my interpretation of them. Don't like it? Then prove me wrong and step it up. As for me pointing out 3 new targets? I am generating discussion, something that this thread has sorely lacked. I cannot solely blame the player base given that I didn't even know this game had started until after near a full day had elapsed. I am sure i was not the only one who got hit with this. As for what I want to accomplish? Ideally a dead mafia, realistically I would like to salvage some of day 1 by giving it some content that isn't rehashed "i want to off KJ, Kush or Shady" | ||
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On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote: Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin: - he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents. So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention) - the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us - that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time. If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now ##unvote Fair enough. I did state I couldn't make up my mind via voting for similar reasons. Also, this is a general question to any who have played with sloosh. Is this is town meta day 1? He did a similar level of inactivity in LVII and was third party so am curious if not posting much is a normal day 1 thing or if I am right for being irked by it. | ||
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On October 02 2012 07:31 Mementoss wrote: Im going to placeholder vote on shadysands, and then wash the dishes then read the game,so many lurkers (me included) day 1. I'll see what I can dig up tho. I find votes on ones self or votes on someone not likely to be lynched the best placeholders as you don't look like someone jumping onto a bandwagon for the sake of it being a bandwagon | ||
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On October 02 2012 07:35 risk.nuke wrote: It's forced because it screams I need to make up a post about someone fast. That's the only possible reason you typed up a shitpost like that. You can't even have had time to properly read through it. And if you did read through it you must have once again felt forced or you would had deleted that shit. I never said I thought shady was scummy in the thread. Nor did I claim to have had. So how can you say I'm lying. I stated that I was suspicious of him and I was. I give reasoning for the rest of my actions which I sincerely wonder if you've even read. But your case isn't that you have a problem with my reasoning. You just straight out attempt to misinterpret it to the thread. I said I thought kush was scummier now then then which to me translates into. Kush has done absolutely nothing to redeem himself of my suspicions. On the contrary the posts he's made has only made me more suspicious. But no fucking where do I say that he's my strongest scumread. Leaving out the name calling generalizations of my posts. These are your only 2 actual points against me which are both fucking untrue. And don't think you can claim coming in late bringing not one but three new names to the table and expected it to generate anything but distraction from the other candidates. I voted for shady because it's down to him versus KingJames. Additionally I agreed and considered Shady being scummy even as I suggested the kush lynch. Those are your exact words you said about shady, yet you never once said you had suspicions of him being mafia. This is a lie. Regardless of big or small it is one. Now, if hes not your strongest scumread, or one of them why the fuck wouldn't you attempt to push him? Why even now, rather than combined defending yourself are you not analyzing kush, why are you not analyzing anyone? As for coming in late and expect to generate anything but distraction? i have discussed them plus the three I named. Only two of which I believe could be lynched today / have far higher a likelyhood of flipping red. If you would look past your understandable annoyance at me for calling you out, you would surely see that the last few pages has at least generated some meaningful discussion that was on new subject matter, and honestly to some degree required. | ||
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On October 02 2012 07:39 Sharrant wrote: @Risk.Nuke I was at work like I said I would be. I did have to cover for someone for an extra hour, that's why I was late getting on here. In response to your earlier question, on Saturday I worked all day, then went to another city for Nuit Blanche, then came back to work despite not having slept because my boss asked me if I could cover for someone who was sick. After that it was Sunday night, I saw that I had a PM, saw it was about this game, and was way too fucking tired to do anything. So I set my alarm early to give myself time to make one decent post in the morning before work. Unfortunately I was so rushed I forgot to actually follow with my vote, and I felt really stupid about halfway into work. I'm a little surprised no one called me out on it. I'm just going to post this part now, the rest will follow in a little bit. Just reading through filters. you have about 1.5 hours to start contributing before you become a person to harass. | ||
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On October 02 2012 07:55 risk.nuke wrote: BC not posting my suspicion doesn't mean I didn't have them. It means I can't prove I had them. It's not the same as a small lie which I don't believe for a second you don't understand. You want to be usefull. Who would you vote for amongst the people with votes. understand yes, hell everyone does it without realizing. Not admitting to it once called out looks bad. As for who would I vote for of all the people with votes? mementoss. Hes not even going to get lynched though. Given your reaction I would prefer an austin lynch at this moment however. | ||
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On October 02 2012 08:21 Mattchew wrote: BC mind telling me why you think i am scum? also, I could get down with an austin lynch. he doesn't feel like he is hunting scum as much as he is hunting for an easy out to vote. I am willing to ##unvote for the meantime. I am caught up on the thread but don't actually understand some of the arguments. Posts rub me the wrong way and I want to see more out of you. Its why I don't want to lynch you at this time as well as i could easily be wrong. | ||
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As for annul Marvel. My personal belief is that he is always a good vig shot. His mafia play is infuriating to deal with, and his town can be either really good or really bad depending on the game. If we have a ton of reasons to lynch him then lynch otherwise I'd let a vig sort it out. If he doesn't start contributing soon I'd put him on the lynch list. | ||
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By contributing I mean into day 2 of the game. Or late into night 1. | ||
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On October 02 2012 08:44 marvellosity wrote: Ugh, too much screwing meta. I don't really want to lynch austin because I know he can be totally useless day 1 as here, and others don't want to lynch the pretty scummy annul because they want to wait and see. Why do you think austin has a higher chance of flipping scum than annul, BC? Austin did what I think is insanely weird play and jumped out at me as scummy whereas annul has only done things that leap out and scream annul. He is one of the few people I find extremely hard to read and always have. | ||
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