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Dandel Ion
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Dandel Ion
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Dandel Ion
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Anywhoo, first things first for the people concerned with meta and such things: I played town (VT) in NMM XIII I played horrible scum in NMM XV Also, some LOGIC about the roleblock and nightkill to start things off: On September 21 2012 13:10 thrawn2112 wrote: If the reasoning behind that is that he is trying to save his strongest town read then it would have gone to either of the 2 confirmed masons. Anyway there are tons of possible explanations of the roleblock and no reason to believe any of more than any other so I'd rather not speculate about it. SDM probably roleblocked you. In fact, IF you have been roleblocked, it was SDM. Reasoning: It was redundant for him to roleblock one of the masons. You all treat the masons as confirmed town, but they really are not. As long as none of them flip, there will remain some doubt. And it could possibly surface at a very bad time for town. It would be incredibly stupid for scum to shoot one mason, and leave the other in the game. During Night 1, that is. Now the thing is, scum got lucky and hit the jailkeeper, which means they could possibly kill Sharrant and Sharky during the next 2 nightphases. If they did not hit the JK, they wouldn't be practiaclly able to whack either, because the JK could just camp the confirmed town. Sure, scum can then hit anyone else, but that's a long time to leave a confirmed townie running around. Might as well start shooting into the crowd right away. Which they did. tl;dr: SDM was a smart man. And scum is unfortunately not mentally handicapped. Also, EVERY roleblock happening absolutely needs to be claimed. I would think that should be a no-brainer for townies, but I want to say it. If there's anyone else that got roleblocked during the night, please claim too. | ||
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On September 21 2012 22:57 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + Yeah, I know rethos looked a bit scummy, but I do think that prior to the whole "I don't give a shit h4h4h4h4"-debacle, he was 100% following the bad-newbie-town semi-lurker path. I don't have a flipping idea what goat rid him those last pages though... Anywhoo, first things first for the people concerned with meta and such things: I played town (VT) in NMM XIII I played horrible scum in NMM XV Also, some LOGIC about the roleblock and nightkill to start things off: On September 21 2012 13:10 thrawn2112 wrote: If the reasoning behind that is that he is trying to save his strongest town read then it would have gone to either of the 2 confirmed masons. Anyway there are tons of possible explanations of the roleblock and no reason to believe any of more than any other so I'd rather not speculate about it. SDM probably roleblocked you. In fact, IF you have been roleblocked, it was SDM. Reasoning: It was redundant for him to roleblock one of the masons. You all treat the masons as confirmed town, but they really are not. As long as none of them flip, there will remain some doubt. And it could possibly surface at a very bad time for town. It would be incredibly stupid for scum to shoot one mason, and leave the other in the game. During Night 1, that is. Now the thing is, scum got lucky and hit the jailkeeper, which means they could possibly kill Sharrant and Sharky during the next 2 nightphases. If they did not hit the JK, they wouldn't be practiaclly able to whack either, because the JK could just camp the confirmed town. Sure, scum can then hit anyone else, but that's a long time to leave a confirmed townie running around. Might as well start shooting into the crowd right away. Which they did. tl;dr: SDM was a smart man. And scum is unfortunately not mentally handicapped. Also, EVERY roleblock happening absolutely needs to be claimed. I would think that should be a no-brainer for townies, but I want to say it. If there's anyone else that got roleblocked during the night, please claim too. Ah, and for the record, I wrote that Sharrant and Sharky can't be confirmed town yet, but I am pretty sure that they actually are. The reason for that is that Cubu faced the strong possibility of a modkill (usually you'd get modkilled for not voting, even in a newbie game), and I don't think Sharrant would go full balls-to-the-walls and risk being outed with the nightpost. Also, the qt conversation and timestamps. Just so that there's no confusion about that expression of mine. | ||
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Do you mean Remedy or something? I is confused. | ||
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Yes, that MUST have been SDM. Scum RB'd thrawn then. Too bad I already gave SDM credit for not JK'ing Sharrant (or Sharky), now it turns out he did :/ | ||
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On September 22 2012 00:32 RemedySC wrote: Not necessarily. We could have another roleblocker who is town in the ugly prostitute. It would make zero sense for a town RB (RB doesn't protect from nighthits) to block thrawn of all people. | ||
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On September 22 2012 00:59 thrawn2112 wrote: unless they thought I was scum Also Dandel if rethos/you are town then obviously I can't expect you to be able to defend his actions but imo what he said was scummy enough for me to keep the vote on you unless you change my mind about that. So who do you propose lynching? In answer to your question I'm not allowed to post specific wording but marv said that all roleblock notifications say the same thing. Not sure if you asked me to post to verify it against yours or if you are digging for information about where the roleblock would have come from. Your logic about roleblocking makes sense but I do not know what information it gives or if the 2nd roleblock can be verified to have come from either mafia or town so once again I don't put too much stock in that discussion right now. However I will give my thoughts on my roleblock. If it came from a town player it was because they thought I was scum, or they were a jk thinking I was town. If it came from mafia, I think they suspect me of being one of the more powerful blue roles and they were trying to stop me from performing an action based upon the reads I was making during N1. And all that is under the assumption that your mason confirmation is indeed accurate. I don't think it's possible that you could have faked those timestamps in 5 minutes and to me that is enough to assume your mason status is confirmed. That's all I have to say about that topic though because there's no way of knowing (except asking for a role claim which I don't think would be worth it for this situation) which option I should believe. I'd like to move on from the roleblocking discussion and on to lynch discussion. Disclaimer: I am not done with reading the thread and respective filters Right now, I have deep suspicions of Remedy. No sure if they will stand, but I think they may. I'd also be down for lynching Stutters, Killing or Atreides, but all of them are mostly policy about lurking/non-conributing, and less about actual scumreads. I do think, however, that getting rid of lurkers one way or the other is absolutely necessary looking towards MYLO/LYLO. If there's only 1 or 2 lurkers, that could be easily solved with a vig shot, but we have 3 (4 counting the late rethos), and possibly no Vig at all. Which sucks. I need to look more into debears, so I'd like to withhold judgement for now, but I'll bring him up if I see something suspicious. Sorry to be "that guy", but I'll come back to this later. | ||
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On September 22 2012 01:34 thrawn2112 wrote: I'd say they're confirmed town. If you've got any reason otherwise please say so. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=35#683 Ah, and for the record, I wrote that Sharrant and Sharky can't be confirmed town yet, but I am pretty sure that they actually are. The reason for that is that Cubu faced the strong possibility of a modkill (usually you'd get modkilled for not voting, even in a newbie game), and I don't think Sharrant would go full balls-to-the-walls and risk being outed with the nightpost. Also, the qt conversation and timestamps. Just so that there's no confusion about that expression of mine. My filter is not that big (yet).... | ||
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On September 22 2012 01:44 thrawn2112 wrote: Yeah in that post you talk about how you think they are masons because of the modkill possibility, but I want to know why you originally said they aren't confirmed in the earlier post. ? They're not confirmed, because none of them flipped yet. Duh. But that's arguing semantics, for you 99% = confirmed, for me it is 100% = confirmed. As I said, I do believe them, and I do not think that they are scum. | ||
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Remedy starts the thread off by arguing and being nitpicky about the lurker-lynch policy – well, okay, maybe he just disagrees and you still need to explain to him that when you say “we’re gonna lynch all lurkers”, you don’t necessarily WILL lynch all lurkers, you just don’t want anyone to lurk, and the best way to make people not lurk is telling them you’ll kill them. Then he states, multiple times, that he will be around a lot, or have “something good” later. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=5#97 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=9#169 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=12#236 And so on) Guess what? Nothing ever comes. The third one says: I am going to do some more reading and try to have a better argument done before going to sleep. Two posts later: On September 19 2012 13:42 RemedySC wrote: Damn, I'm way too tired to concentrate. I will be back early in the morning. Good night. Now, I don’t know if his post between that was his “better argument”, but it doesn’t look like it to me (For reference:+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:51 RemedySC wrote: Kush, this post stood out to me also. Debears posts do seem to link him and Thrawn, and if drazak is a part of this trio, than this post could just be another defense for his said teammate. He keeps promising posts/activity, but you should get what I'm saying by now. Just read through his filter, it's not a long read. But that’s just side notes. The real issue I have with him is how he “scumhunts”. He just quotes shit and then slaps a one/twoliner or some random questions onto it. Take his case on thrawn: On September 21 2012 07:51 RemedySC wrote: Kush actually did provide his read. Looks like you're digging, and avoiding the accusations against you. ##FOS Thrawn On September 21 2012 08:40 RemedySC wrote: This post by Thrawn to me screams mafia if you think of drazak as a town. Why get worked up over this post by drazak, when he was replying to Kush? He is very capable of defending himself. Scum slip? That sentence totally contradicts itself. This is only explainable with one thing: He puts zero effort into scumhunting. He doesn’t even read the posts properly (as shown in the second quote where he completely misses the double negative in the supposed “scumslip”) The same for his “case” on Stutters: On September 22 2012 00:22 RemedySC wrote: Okay, too move the conversation towards the lurkers, since they haven't been active d2. My scummiest read is on stutters, mainly because of this post. In this post he mentions three confirmed town. KillingTime I am iffy on, and I'll take a closer look at his posts. I think that if Killing is town though, than this post by Stutters is very scummy. He even goes as far to say that even if Cubu is town he needs to die. Like really? Overall, reading through his filter and the thread as a whole, he seemed to me VERY MUCH like somebody that tries to be just active enough to not be seen as a lurker (many posts with little to no content), while contributing as little as humanly possible while doing that. Which, to me, screams scum play. I would like for everyone to look at his filter and tell me what they think about this. | ||
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Even if I did replace a scum (which I did not blablabla), there's still more scum in this and just going "yep lynch this guy, see you in two days" will not help. Just saying. If you want to lynch rethos (aka me), go on ahead, but don't be idiots about it. That's all I will say about the whole rethos matter. | ||
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This isn't constructive. Talk about something else pls. Like my Remedy case. I like my Remedy case. Who else likes my Remedy case? Who doesn't like my Remedy case? Pls include reasons. Also, Sharky lurking even harder than Cubu (#1 replacement (I'm only #2 cuz I wasn't insta"confirmed" town, so I'm automatically worse)), Stutters not posting and Kush & Thrawn repeating the same arguments over and over. This all and more in this episode of "Bitches in the Brothel" | ||
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On September 22 2012 05:52 kushm4sta wrote: k you are right dandel. I'm dropping it. What do you think about Remedy? I wanna talk about Remedy so bad | ||
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On September 22 2012 05:56 kushm4sta wrote: it doesn't even matter to me that sharky is lurking. him and sharrant are so town I think its ridiculous to even bring them up as a scum possibility. It's not a scum pssibility. He's lurking hard, so I'm just saying that he's lurking hard. And if you think it doesn't matter, well that's like, your problem man, cause a almost-confirmed town not giving a fuck and not doing anything matters to me. But I can just stand in this corner over here, with the other people that actually give a shit about winning the game. Not a crowded corner, but we have good coffee. | ||
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On September 22 2012 06:06 thrawn2112 wrote: I've said pretty much all I have to say about remedy during N1. I started looking into his filter because of this post. Go and look at the craziness that went down in the last few hours of D1. Rethos wasn't around for the most crucial part but then he comes in 6 minutes after the lynch saying the the mislynch didn't go well. He later said he did that because he was lurking in the thread 30-40 minutes before the deadline but he didn't feel like he had anything useful to say. Then he made some (imo and apparently yours too) weak and poorly thought out accusations against me and this was right after kush had made a massive FOS on me. (btw kush that statement is not a suspicion of you it's a suspicion of remedy) Before the rethos thing happened he was my top scumread. Another weird thing happened with him since all that was is he came into the thread and made this post: That's all he has to say about a topic that has caused votes for a player this early on in D1? I think you are confusing rethos and Remedy now. Which is why I'd prefer we only talk about one person at a time, especially if their names are similar. But I know you were the only one that replied to the Remedy case. I just want other people to comment on it too. Or on somebody else they think is scummy. Doesn't matter at this point. This thread has too much pointless bickering, and next to no scumhunting. And no, saying "we lynch rethos ggyo, vote" is not scumhunting. | ||
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On September 22 2012 06:10 thrawn2112 wrote: edit: replace remedy with rethos in "Rethos wasn't around for the most crucial part" lol but that statement would be true for rethos as well That is actually completely wrong. In fact, one might call it a lie. In fact, it is a lie. rethos never even aknowledged the misslynch or anything. He was just gone for a long time and then went full retard, without commenting on anything happening. | ||
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On September 22 2012 06:15 kushm4sta wrote: I want to wait until I'm at my pc so I can actually do a good job of reading filters and cross referencing with the thread for context. your case against remedy is just lack of scumhunting right? I think its true that he's all accusation and no argumentation. I want to look onto that more, then ask him to expand on his reasoning for some of.his accusations and see what he comes up with. On September 22 2012 06:18 thrawn2112 wrote: not confusing them, see my edit post and kush. have you read any of the stuff I said about remedy during N1? it's not just about a lack of scumhunting Yeah, that's why I didn't include that in my post too. Maybe I should have, it seems that memories are short. | ||
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