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On September 04 2012 22:55 Ottoxlol wrote: What exactly would Matt be protecting himself from? Scum has no trackers or watchers. They have 0 way to know if anyone has visited anyone, so there's no reason for Matt to give himself an innocent explanation for visiting people if he's blue. Whereas it looks like you could read the nosy neighbor description as self-aware or not, you can't read the roles and think that you needed to claim nosy neighbor to confuse scum.Why so many people jump to vote Matt? Whatever is his alignment he fucked up. Does this makes him scum? Matt thought Noisys are aware of themselves. He has some kind of role. This is all we know. If he's blue he could have done it to protect himself from scum. If a scum would fakeclaim I think he would discuss it with his team first and do you all think every scum missed this thing? I highly doubt it. If anything Matt is a blue or assa. This just provides an easy wagon to jump onto and removes d1 discussion as a whole, no town benefit from that. Just because he did not play well it doesnt mean he's scum. Moreover, although there's been a lot of Mattchew discussion even after palmar's answer, there's also been a lot of discussion of other players and how they interacted with his claim. In no way has all D1 discussion been removed. | ||
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On September 05 2012 02:40 Ottoxlol wrote: Why is it more probable to make a mistake as scum when you CAN have discussion about your actions with the other ones, then it is to make a mistake alone? Two thoughts. (1) You're asking this ridiculously speculative question and trying to get a real answer. Your question isn't just "Is it more likely that a scum player or town player didn't understand the setup?" Your question is so much broader, and requires so many assumptions to answer, that it's silly. We don't know the chance that Matt posted without talking to his team. If Matt is scum and talked to his team, we don't know whether all scum were online or only a few. In either case, we don't know whether Matt's teammates also misunderstood the setup (It's pretty clear from the pre-answer discussion that some players thought nosy neighbors were self-aware, based on you getting a PM with one of those role names). ALL of that information is relevant to the chance that Matt is one or the other alignment. NONE of it is information we have. Nobody can answer your question without crazy speculation. (2) Although you call the claim a "mistake," it's not like Matt wanted to claim VT, but typoed and wrote "nosy neighbor." He specifically wanted to claim that role, meant to do so. Even if you think On September 05 2012 02:01 Ottoxlol wrote: is a good explanation for a fakeclaim, others don't. How often have you seen a townie fakeclaim miller in hopes of getting others to fakeclaim miller? It's a pretty similar scenario, but I haven't seen it happening. Just because you hypothesize some reason someone might do something doesn't make it likely. If he's a tracker/assa, he misread the rules then fakeclaimed. in hope of some probable targets (thinking the other assassin would likely claim or maybe even scum) It's so much more likely, in my mind, for an anti-town player to claim nosy neighbor. But that's another reason nobody can answer your question to your satisfaction. You want someone to consider the scenarios you threw out to be plausible. I don't think they are. | ||
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On September 06 2012 01:01 imallinson wrote: If the claim was so damning that everyone thinks Matt is anti-town except Ottox, maybe the only reason Ottox believes differently is because he already knew Matt's alignment (which could honestly explain why the reasoning he's giving in thread is pretty bad).I can see why you could think Matt flipping red wouldn't give info by assuming scum insta bussed Matt after Palmar's post. But how does him flipping town look bad for Ottox? | ||
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On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote: Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains.Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why? It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this. Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this:
It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this. | ||
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On September 06 2012 07:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Toad has it more or less correct here:@austin No he didn't... he still thinks Toad is scum and still insists that matt is not. On September 06 2012 07:25 Toadesstern wrote: I don't mean that he realized it was a bad idea and then stopped. I mean he realized it was a bad idea, but realized that stopping would be even worse, and so had to own it and just push forward.he's saying something along the lines of: 1) Ottox thought he can defend Matt 2) Ottox realized that's not going to work 3) A buddy of his told him "dude you can't just back down like nothing happened. You've got to roll with it now" 4) That's the reason he's trolling like this. He's not just taking a stance and not listening to everyone else. He's started to be actively disruptive and insulting - "go read the thread," "we're speaking different languages," etc. That also pushes me towards believing that he's just putting on a show here, because at some point you'd give up and slink into the shadows if you thought A and everyone else thought B and told you A was silly. Instead, he's gotten very hostile and disruptive. Done with that for now though. On September 06 2012 07:21 Bill Murray wrote: Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot This is, to some extent, a dumb exercise. 2.5 quotes in a specific light. If I read them as him being really new scum and going off on his own, then he looks scummy. Lots of apologies in post 1. Weird conclusion and logic about matt being an assassin, weird note that matt "clearly likes to be an active player" (This smells horrible btw, since Matt is known for NOT being active while scum, if Gravan knew Matt well I would really, really hate this sentence because it's trying to plant this seed in your mind that he's active, therefore, town). We HAVE to lynch him. Post 3 immediately pulls back from the assassin conclusion HARD, wants to stay away from having to defend his assassin idea any more "I'm done on the whole Matt issue" = don't want to get caught further. But I'm having trouble with the timing of it all, and it's one reason I'm not too convinced about scum Gravan. Matt claims nosy neighbor at 9:12 TL time, 9/4 Palmar confirms nosy neighbors are not self-aware at 18:17 TL time, 9/4 Gravan comes in with his passive post at 5:41, 9/5 Gravan starts talking about Matt and the assassin stuff at 9:38, 9/5 That bugs me. If Gravan is scum, then either he posted in thread without checking in QT, or checked QT before posting in thread. If he checked it, there's NO WAY that he wrote that crap. Right? No way do you limp into thread 20 hours after your scumbuddy got caught and 11 hours after it was confirmed he was caught and go "Hey guys, sorry." Then ESPECIALLY NO WAY do you wait 4 hours after that post and go "Okay I think he's an assassin." Right? And if he didn't check QT, he came back, posted that bad post, then had 4 hours. I'm guessing in that time he would have checked QT while reading thread, and same thing...you don't get that next post. I'll look more at who was coaching him and the timing on it all...but I'm having trouble with scum lining up 3 separate plays in having some scum just vote mattchew and not put up a fight, one guy get stuck having to put up a losing fight, and then one guy who gets TOLD (because I don't think it's possible he didn't check QT if he were scum before that assassin post) to go call matt an assassin? Isn't mafia just letting matt flip at that point? I have serious misgivings there, although I'll admit it's ... not really related to Gravan's filter. But the timing is off for me to get a strong scum read on Gravan. | ||
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On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote: ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him On September 06 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote: Yes, that the scum team is trolling, because that would mean that they've all dun goofed hard.If Gravan gets vigged (lord willing) and flips scum, do you see any conclusions we can draw from it? If matt claimed nosy neighbor AND ottoxlol defended him like he did AND gravan didn't check QT or nobody put something in QT saying "EVERYONE SHUT UP AND VOTE MATT," then I have a hard time believing there's a ... scum leader? I assume some of the players in this game have played real nice scum games, where they sort of orchestrated everyone's moves. If Ottoxlol and Gravan are both scum, then I have a difficult time believing that scum has such a player. At the very least that guy should be running damage control after Matt and ottoxlol make themselves obvious. | ||
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On September 06 2012 08:33 Hapahauli wrote: Step 1: Be pro-townFor emphasis: pro-town... regardless of alignment You serious? Step 2: Gain some trust Step 3: Create confusion If scum is going to mess with town, they HAVE to look pro-town early. Nobody is going to listen to someone that's really scummy, and that makes it too difficult to push town where you want them. Perhaps especially true where a teammate slips so early, scum has to try and gain SOME kind of control. | ||
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On September 06 2012 10:23 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not discussing the numbers crap and the scumslip. However, this part of your post has been addressed by numerous folks. The explanation is the bit about how doing a scummy thing and then quickly backing down might have looked scummier, so he had to stick with it, which he proceeded to do vigorously.But consider this hypothetical: 95% of the town thinks Player A is scum. Player A is confirmed scum. Hypothetical townie hard defends Player A. Does it make sense for this hypothetical townie to defend Player A when he's 100% sure to get lynched/shot the next day? As to your case on Steve Nash's teammate, I don't love it. I DO think that milton just got the times mixed up, that's a legitimate explanation from me. You can call it outright lying, but I just came from a game in which I thought 2 or 3 things had been said that weren't, and where one of our medics claimed to protect a dead person one night. I was town, he was town, we both "lied." It happens, and frankly, if you're talking about an actual fact (x happened before y), you're not talking about something scum can twist for their objectives, it doesn't really further scummy objectives when anyone can check the order and call you out. I think that's a legitimate reason to go into changing your read on someone, especially when almost 24 hours elapsed between the "vigis/trackers on this guy" post and the next mention. You can argue that if his read changed there should be a post when that happened, but...not enough for me to find Steve Nash's teammate scummy. Moreover, he had one of those little quotes that sticks out to me as something that only a townie could have written: On September 06 2012 07:51 BlackMamba24 wrote: That's not just an idea that should get you town cred, it's just a weird little thought thrown into a bigger post of his, and, in my mind, it's not what I'd come up with if I were just thinking about how to get townies to think I'm townie.If you're unsure if someone is scum/assassin but have good reason to think they are scum, broadcast their case as an assassin so that assassins will hit the scum at night and help us win faster. | ||
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BlackMamba24, BM24, Kobe are all ... that guy, who also has an old account that people are calling DrH, which he's posted under a couple times (DrHelvetica). Steve Nash is everyone's favorite player ever, who now has the misfortune of playing a team with Kobe. | ||
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On September 06 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote: I guess...hmmm. I'm so convinced by that one bit of a post that he could claim scum in thread and I wouldn't believe him. I would straight up Ottoxlol in his defense. But I can understand that reasoning may not work for others.+ Show Spoiler +I've said all I need to say on Ottoxlol. Considering his emotionality and unreasonableness during his defense of Mattchew, it reads pretty clear to me that he doesn't know allignments. I doubt he's scum caught in bad allignments, considering how many opportunities town gave him to back off his reads. He could've taken any one of them and looked fine, not scummy as you suggest. Him hard-defending Mattchew is nonsensical from a scum perspective - it shouldn't even cross his mind to defend Mattchew once he's confirmed scum by the moderator if he knows player allignments! As for my case on DrH, it has nothing to do with my suspicions on MiltonKram, so I'm not sure why you bring that up. It has everything to do with the sudden shift in suspicions. I realize 24 hours elapsed, but take a look at MiltonKram's filter. Between his case on me and his last post (neutral questioning of BillMurray), he does nothing to alleviate himself of suspicion or make him seem more townie. Also, you missed a key part of one of DrH's posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=40#795 Look at point #2 - that's exactly what Miltonkram was doing, and in the very same post, he calls Mitonkram "not scummy at all." This makes absolutely no sense. Seriously...that bit of one post has to be from a town player. It's such a weird little statement AND it makes no sense for assassins who have 1 bullet but unlimited yes/no checks for other assassins to read a case and shoot at the subject of the case just because he got called an assassin. You'd check the subject of the case the first night. If the guy comes back assassin, you shoot. If not, you don't. You're not firing your only bullet at another assassin just because someone makes a case that pins a player as an assassin. The part of the post you reference doesn't even strike me as forcing Steve Nash's teammate to find Milton scummy. On September 06 2012 07:51 BlackMamba24 wrote: So MOST of the scum (4 or 5 people we seem to think) are in these three groups. Saying "most of the scum are part of these groups" is different from "the people in these groups are scummy." I'd be way more concerned if he thought everyone in each of those groups was scummy (every active person would be scummy), than if there were people who fit those categories yet he found town.You'll find most of the scum team in these three groups. 1. People who went actively or softly against the Mattchew lynch: Ottoxlol/Gravan 2. People who came in after Palmar confirmed it and made fluff posts 3. At least one active person, probably Bill Murray. He's seemed to focus a lot on people like MiltonKram/Hapahauli neither of whom are scummy at all and meanwhile his rhetoric/language seems very much an attempt to buddy up with me or other people. Last thing, what does Steve Nash's teammate get out of calling Milton scummy? What does he get out of deciding Milton isn't scummy? What scum purpose does changing that read have? | ||
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On September 06 2012 08:22 austinmcc wrote: But I'm having trouble with the timing of it all, and it's one reason I'm not too convinced about scum Gravan. Matt claims nosy neighbor at 9:12 TL time, 9/4 Palmar confirms nosy neighbors are not self-aware at 18:17 TL time, 9/4 Gravan comes in with his passive post at 5:41, 9/5 Gravan starts talking about Matt and the assassin stuff at 9:38, 9/5 That bugs me. If Gravan is scum, then either he posted in thread without checking in QT, or checked QT before posting in thread. If he checked it, there's NO WAY that he wrote that crap. Right? No way do you limp into thread 20 hours after your scumbuddy got caught and 11 hours after it was confirmed he was caught and go "Hey guys, sorry." Then ESPECIALLY NO WAY do you wait 4 hours after that post and go "Okay I think he's an assassin." Right? And if he didn't check QT, he came back, posted that bad post, then had 4 hours. I'm guessing in that time he would have checked QT while reading thread, and same thing...you don't get that next post. I know he's got more posts now, and I agree that the BM case is weak/OMGUSy. But I still don't see this guy as scum because I can't believe that scum would post that assassin bit so far after the time that Matt's goose was mod-cooked. Are you okay with that timing? Do you think he just didn't read QT? You think that over the course of more than 10 hours scum didn't give explicit instructions for how to handle Matt in thread? You think they crafted this weird post for one scum member to call out matt as an assassin (and, if so, to what end, because clearly it's not making people find him town)? | ||
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On September 06 2012 22:07 austinmcc wrote: If you're still aroundGrush, if everyone in this game were a toaster, who would be the most energy-efficient? The quickest to make toast? The most likely to burn down a house? | ||
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On September 08 2012 09:30 Hapahauli wrote: Is PTP3 alone enough to make a meta comparison? I'm curious if there are any other games he buddies/is-semi-serious as a townie. I'm not familiar with Grush's meta, but I find that a pretty weak reason to get him killed. Not so much comparing it to PTP3. There was just a constant undercurrent of "lynch Grush," just like there is every game. I had him as townie, and he flipped townie. So it's less a meta comparison TO PTP3, and more than I read him correctly there in part from looking at past games. The antelope question in PTP3 and toaster question here are part of it. See + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2012 05:05 austinmcc wrote: A Tale of Two Grushes Grush - LV Day 1 involves a mayor/pardoner vote. Grush is pretty active during that day. Some one liners, some longer posts, but actual thoughts. See? Look at that. Like a page of filter off the bat, with some real stances. Grush open being poked at by Toad, over a potential scumslip: Look at this conversation with Toad. Toad initially points out an inconsistency in the number of scum, says Grush might be scum because he counted only 5 scum in a game that had 6 (indicating he might have 5 buddies). Grush gives actual responses, discusses it just being a typo. Doesn't just discuss himself either, but notes the lurkers, has counted posts, and says where he thinks mafia might be hiding. Grush will occasionally call some folks scummy - + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:19 grush57 wrote: I nominate Kenpachi for the lynch. He is playing his scum meta. Last game, he was inactive and he turned out to be scum. He's putting in less effort than Sinesis who got lynched. All of his posts are one liner's except for one which he makes a list, which is something a scum usually does(I learned that from a real vet.) I ACCUSE YOU, KENPIKACHU! On May 30 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote: I'm being mean Kenpachi, you're a pretty cool dude, I'm sorry :"(. There have been rumors, starting in LIV. That I have, mystical powers. They rarely unleash. This, is a special case. (LOL YEAH I JUST MADE A LIST WHEN I SAID MAKING LISTS ARE SCUMMY DEAL WITH IT) You would except him to pick 1-2 vets 2-3 normals and 2-3 noobs right 1.(The smart, cunning godfather) Mr.Wiggles(1 vet down) He posts long, too long to read. He knows better than to lynch someone with no information. I also heard he is pretty good at mafia. If you look at his posts, only a page and there is a lot of indecisiveness in his posts. 2.(The undeserving vet)Mattchew(MAKE IT 1.5) His trap, was actually a trap to get a townie to question him and to get an easy peasy day2 town lynch. He was also lurking and he is a vet common bro you are better. 3.(The bigshot normal)StrongandBig(Pewpew 1)Im running for mayor, jk, no seriously. Et, no gf Mr.Wiggles.Buss my buddy gambit. 4.(Deh studious lurker)Gambitxc32(1(forduhnubs)) I can imagine the qt now(YO GAMBIT MY MAN U GONNA LURK CUZ ALL DEEZ NUBZ ARE LURKING LOL, THO WHEN THEY FIGURE THAT ME, WIGGZ, IS GF U GOTTA VOTE ET SO WE DON'T LOOK CONNECTED)## Studious VOTE: agree. Oh and yeah he is a lurker and was scared of wbg getting on his case and went for him. He obviously is paying attention to game responding to jaj(?) post asking him about stuff or w/e lol. 5.(idk actually, lets say normal)Zealos(yeah were about quick to lynch someone who is town(LOL THEY DONT KNWO THAT I KNOW WHO IS TOWN) aww yeah towncred(like they were actually gonna lynch toad lol such easy cred town fools) Better lurk it up you know, be scummy and put no effort LOL wtf zealos. 6.papapanda or... Manason. When Kenpachi(♥) mentioned him I was like, holy shit these town nubs let another scum hide, brbbbb gotta check dem filter and this took a long time to post and I saw that you put starsenses. Now, I think you might say that or w\e because u think I'll mislead them, but no i am a wizard. Basically, he was doing a bunch of a lil commenting on people not on my starsense list saying bs, less than a page of filter, however he commented on my starsenses so I love him and probly not mafia. Manason- MMK CHECKED HIS FILTER 3RD PAGE-DONT LYNCH GRUSH POLICY LYNCHES ARE BAD. Okay, someone in your QT played LIV and knew how I screwed up town and told everyone to not lynch me so I'd screw up the game. All the people who wanted me dead early game was town(Sinesis and Bh) Noob mistake of saying(ooh protect my gf Mr. Wiggles) more 1 liners blah blah blah too long, OMG YOU GUYS ARE ON MY BUDDY LETS BRING UP KITAMAN27. No, he made the same mistake as me in LIV, randomly voted someone. My starsense powers sais he is town. Okay so I did all this in TL (LOL I KNOW) and the thread has probably progressed alot as this took like 20-30 mins to write. Please note I am unsure about the 6th mafia. Oh, and a lot of the bad grammar was on purpose. But he won't really back those accusations up - + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:04 grush57 wrote: Sigh majuju, you were lurking too and now that I called out your buddy you finally unlurked. LOL SERIOUSLY TOWN NUBS STAR TPOSTING asdaSDFASDFA. Okay, I will bring up the posts. Actually just read them too much work lol. On June 02 2012 04:33 grush57 wrote: Why don't you ask the scum that question? But really, its obvious who is town and who is scummy on that list of who voted. On the whole, including pregame banter and postgame, a little over 4 pages, and he died N2. Grush - LVI Grush's D1 - Here! Game starts somewhere in the middle. Way less contribution. When he does post, it's agreeing with someone, or little one liners, followed by just a vote on a wagon target. When Grush gets poked, he responds with one-liners - + Show Spoiler + Plenty of others but that's enough Scumgrush makes "cases," but they're just kind of weak accusations, or nonsense - + Show Spoiler + On July 04 2012 03:46 grush57 wrote: Grush was sitting in the tent. Vivax was walking in with a angry crowd behind him ridiculing him about his bad performance. His excuses were very bad, said the crowd, and that HIS LOGIC FAILS. Grush agreed. ##Vote: Vivax On July 07 2012 07:35 grush57 wrote: T_T definitely between Twelve and BKE though. Kurumi's post does really point out the flaws of BKE, and when pressure came off he was all beepin up the beep, ya know. BUT u may b like, GURSHDEVICE U DON'T HELP AT ALL. True, homeieieieieieieiieieeieieieieieiei, but it doesn't change the fact. aLZo, 11, __, 13 seems like a noobie townie. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ##Vote:BKE On July 13 2012 01:38 grush57 wrote: I want to lynch Majuju. all dat lurking and then when called out he is getting all freaky(in the wrong way mmkay) ##Vote: MajuGarzett On the whole, including pregame banter and postgame, a not quite 4 full pages of filter. Lived until endgame, which was the end of D4. So, based only on two games and nothing else, what patterns do we see in Grush's play?
PokeGrush PokeGrush's filter is a decent bit over 4 pages, after 3 full cycles (And he spent part of it banned) He starts off responding to questions - + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 09:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: How have you done that? Also, in keeping with the spirit of the thread, spam spam spam On August 20 2012 09:02 grush57 wrote: See look at wiggles, he asks me a legit question. Plus, he continues my tradition To answer the question, breadcrumb, and meta. Plus I'm town. Now, we must find scum. I must stop posting so scum can start posting and then we catch them. Cool trick. On August 22 2012 11:39 grush57 wrote: Well I mean he's posting cases and defending himself and contributing. I don't know why he was the closest to being lynched. On August 24 2012 02:28 grush57 wrote: Well, half his posts are before the game, and he just is basically lurking and not helping. In scum teams in my experience, you have 2-3 active in the thread, and 1-2 basically lurking Toad and chezinu died, I feel like there is only one major player in the thread that is scum atm. Also dirk may be scum aswell, before his posts were useless and now he just lurks. He gives some reads, with...some reasoning - + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 10:55 grush57 wrote: Okay so, I get banned, then People are all up in Drazerk's face because he is telling everybody to kill him and being stupid with that attitude. Still, I think he is town. Then the town switched to Dirkzor, I don't think he is scum either, he is helping out and responding. Hopeless1dr ninja votes, he is scum. People calling out Kurumi for being scummy, I agree. Toad(jk, lol idk) shoots VE, people get on VE's chain for policy lynching. NO ONE IS UP IN JINGLE'S GRILL ABOUT HIM WANTING TO POLICY LYNCH ME:O. Also I think Hiropro? Heist? made a post calling out Jingle which is good cuz he is scum. Then it's like Zephirrid(null on him, he has been getting scummier the longer the game has been going so far) and imallison(who I thought was a noob townie) and dirkzor(I think he is town aswell). End up lynching a townie and thats about where we were at. So my scum list is: JingleHell(SCUMSCUMSCUM) Hopeless1dr(ninja vote, scum) Maybe BioSC(I don't even know why but he is scum) He engages in minor discussion - + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 11:03 grush57 wrote: lol. no. You're assuming he's playing differently because he got butthurt. I'm saying that your scum. Different things On August 25 2012 06:49 grush57 wrote: Jingle, you don't answer to any of the cases against you, you keep bandwagoning on the townies!!!!!!!!!!! You call me scum because I'm actually playing this time?!?!?!?1?!!??!?1?1?1!/1?1?1!?1?1 However when commenting on VE's play you said he wanted to play differenty and give him the benefit brohan. Which is me questioning VE being town right now. But all the vets aren't trying, the one who did was BC and he died, and Wiggles is playing the EXACT same way he did as scum before. When I played with WBG before and he was town he was very active, and Kenpachi could be town or scum because he is Kenpachi. **I doctored this quote because it was split into two posts** I could keep pulling more stuff from this game, but now I want to do something else. So instead, you should read this. You should come to your own conclusions. But if you think Grush is scum, you need some decent reasoning. Because it looks to me like he's playing much more like he did in LV than in LVI. It looks to me like there are some actual helpful posts buried in the trolling. D2 I didn't think hopeless1der was scum, but I didn't fight it hard enough, had just entered the game. D3 I didn't think VE was scum, and I should have swapped my vote from Wiggles to misder in order to try and get a switch at the end. D4 I don't think Grush is scum, and it's time to actually stand up and fight his lynch, early. I do not want scum having control of this one. | ||
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On September 07 2012 08:44 grush57 wrote: Hmm, another fancy question. I'm assuming the first question is who provides the most information and least fluff. Second question fastest at making cases/scumhunting. Third the most chaotic/scummy. HMM On September 07 2012 08:48 grush57 wrote: I would of put Ottox at third question and BC at second question. On September 07 2012 08:48 grush57 wrote: The second and third post are BOTH at 8:48. So he was in the right thread, had just posted in the game thread. This is hard Town is REALLY active and good this game. Also, he interprets the first question as "provides the most information and least fluff." Then he answers for #2 and #3. Never answers #1. I saw that as him saying "choosing who provides the most information and least fluff is hard because town is active." | ||
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