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Metalteeth
Profile Joined December 2011
United States115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 00:17:22
August 07 2012 05:10 GMT
#1
The current Top 10:
1 MC 10318.61
2 DongRaeGu 9721.45
3 MVP 7797.32
4 Taeja 5997.71
5 Stephano 5977.80
6 MarineKing 5948.86
7 Seed 5331.29
8 MMA 5287.37
9 Leenock 4569.92
10 viOLet 4550.51

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11 HerO (Liquid) 4069.42
12 Nerchio 3899.21
13 PuMa 3599.01
14 SuperNoVa 3450.11
15 Squirtle 3433.74
16 Alicia 3427.56
17 Polt 3342.30
18 MaNa 3141.66
19 NaNiwa 2956.93
20 ThorZaiN 2945.96
21 Scarlett 2920.48
22 Ret 2743.91
23 Symbol 2715.11
24 PartinG 2689.62
25 NesTea 2513.75
26 Genius 2479.89
27 HuK 2312.86
28 aLive 2156.38
29 Creator 2131.39
30 IdrA 2090.55
31 TheStC 2058.64
32 Heart 2057.30
33 DIMAGA 2021.08
34 Ganzi 1994.31
35 First 1964.86
36 Jjakji 1809.30
37 Oz 1776.35
38 Killer 1758.20
39 ViBE 1725.27
40 HasuObs 1670.04
41 ForGG 1668.30
42 Happy 1429.90
43 Sase 1420.32
44 Puzzle 1407.83
45 Sen 1355.96
46 Kas 1338.92
47 JYP 1299.85
48 Ryung 1293.80
49 GuMiho 1232.56
50 Byun 1231.36
51 Socke 1198.52
52 Snute 1158.99
53 TitaN 1149.76
54 YongHwa 1145.03
55 elfi 1127.08
56 Zenio 1119.61
57 sLivko 1096.44
58 Bomber 1090.94
59 mOOnGLaDe 1064.36
60 Monster 1018.68
61 Keen 1017.62
62 Naama 993.11
63 Grubby 971.28
64 NightEnD 966.62
65 Fenix 950.11
66 Major 907.68
67 LucifroN 877.42
68 KiLLeR (Chile) 839.40
69 DeMusliM 837.03
70 fraer 833.86
71 Curious 831.73
72 July 802.19
73 SortOf 768.57
74 Maru 768.55
75 Golden 756.46
76 DarKFoRcE 735.63
77 Pomi 731.24
78 Feast 725.05
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80 Strelok 717.89
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88 Bly 635.47
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90 Sniper 605.44
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93 ReaL 583.37
94 Sleep 579.62
95 MorroW 576.24
96 JazBas 575.20
97 levin 568.62
98 Brat_OK 568.01
99 Tunico 560.44
100 SeleCT 553.36


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I like to think of Starcraft 2 as similar to another 1v1 sport, Tennis. Both have big tournaments that run a weekend most often (although tennis majors go longer). One thing I feel that really helps Tennis is a unified ranking system over all tournaments, the ATP. Every tournament is ranked, so a single list is a quick way of ranking all the players. So I decided to make one!

Process/Questions
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-Why do this?

I love stats, and it was fun to make. Plus, you see every tournament seeding players, but by only that one tournaments past results. Why should someone be punished for not playing an MLG, even if they are the best in the world?

Now note, I didn't include ALL events. I used Liquipedia, both the Premier and Major events list. Every tournament that has finished since today (August 7th) last year. So one year of results. I skipped over Team Events because I don't know how to incorporate that into an individual list. I also skipped qualifiers (minus WCS National events), because I felt that it overlay reward qualified players. Some people may disagree with my decision to skip Code A, and I can understand that, but since Code S players go through Code A every season, I didn't want to think about how to work that out.

This is a regression system. Events degrade each day according to the equation 0.9999792^(#ofDays^2), where #ofDays is the number of days since the events FINALS occured.

I'll go through the player list later and clean it up, introduce race and tlpd links, etc.

If you want the Excel Sheet I was using to calculate the point totals, see here:
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Excel Sheet! :D

If you want to look through and make sure that everything is good and correct, I would appreciate that!


Tournament Weightings (Warning: Wall of numbers):
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EDIT: ATTENTION. These are the point values for tournaments BEFORE the weekend of August 10th, 2012. All tournaments beyond that weekend will use the formula: [(Mean points of players in event)+(Median points of players in event)+(Prize for winner in US Dollars)]/10

Events degrade each day according to the equation 0.9999792^(#ofDays^2), where #ofDays is the number of days since the events FINALS occured.

So essentially, I wanted GSL to be the top event, since it is most prestigious of all events. Then the top events (MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, etc). Events listed as "Major" on Liquipedia are significantly weaker in point values.

GSL:
1st: 5000
2nd: 2499
Semifinal: 1500
QF: 780
Ro16: 450
Ro 32: 300
Code A:
Ro24->S: 250
Ro24: 204
Ro32: 163
Ro48: 130

MLG:
1st: 2000
2nd: 1200
3rd: 950
4th: 500
5th/6th: 360
7th/8th: 180
9-12: 90
13-16: 45
17-20: 20
21-24: 10
25-28: 5

MLG Arena (& Global Invitational, IEM Tour Stops):
1st: 1500
2nd: 900
3rd: 700 (or 500 for SF)
4th: 375
5th/6th: 270
7th/8th: 135
9-12: 65
13-16: 30
17-24: 15
24-32: 5

Dreamhack / ASUS ROG / ESWC:
1st: 2000
2nd: 1200
Semifinal: 720 (or 865/575)
QF: 360
Ro16: 180
GS3 3rd: 90
GS3 4th: 45
GS3 5th: 15
GS3 6th: 5
(WCG goes 10/5 for 6th/7th in group)

IEM WC
1st: 2000
2nd: 1200
Semifinal: 720 (865/575 for 3rd/4th)
QF: 360
GS 3rd: 180
GS 4th: 90
GS 5th: 45
GS 6th: 15

Blizzard Cup:
1st: 2500
2nd: 1500
SF: 900 (1200/600)
QF: 450
Ro16: 225
GS 4th: 110
GS 5th: 55
GS 6th: 15

NASL:
1st: 2000
2nd: 1200
SF: 720 (950/490),
QF: 360
Ro16: 180
Wildcards: 90
Eliminated, returns next season: 45
Eliminated: 10

IPL4:
1st: 2000
2nd: 1200
3rd: 950
4th: 500
5th/6th: 360
7th/8th: 180
9-12: 90
13-16: 45
17-20: 20

IPL3:
1st: 2000
2nd: 1200
SF: 720
QF: 360
Ro16: 180
Ro32: 90

Non-WCS Major Events:
1st: 250
2nd: 150
SF: 90 (or 110/70 for 3rd/4th)
QF: 45 (or 50/30 for Losers Bracket)
Ro16: 20
Ro32: 5

8 person Dreamhack Invites, AoL.The Gathering, RB Battlegrounds:
1st: 500
2nd: 300
3rd: 235 (or 200 for SF)
4th: 150
5th-8th: 90
9th-16th: 45
17th-32nd: 20

WCS Nationals:
1st: 500
2nd: 300
3rd: 235 (or 200 for SF)
4th: 150
5th-6th: 90
7th-8th: 60
9th-12th: 45
13th-16th: 20
17th-24th: 10
25th-32nd: 5

(USA goes 20-15-10-5)

Taiwin, being strange:
9-10: 45
11: 30
12: 25
13-14: 20
15-18: 15
19-24: 10
25-32: 5

WCS Continentals:
1st: 1000
2nd: 600
3rd: 470
4th: 300
5th-6th: 180
7th-8th: 120
9th-12th: 90
13th-16th: 40
17th-24th: 20
25th-32nd: 10




Twitter: @Metalteeth9 GoGo Starcraft!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 07 2012 05:13 GMT
#2
interesting post!
i disagree with some of the weightings (e.g. IPL - are they all worth 2k? they different greatly in terms of skill/difficult). IEMs are weighted far too strongly imo
but otherwise nice :D
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 07 2012 05:16 GMT
#3
On August 07 2012 14:13 opterown wrote:
interesting post!
i disagree with some of the weightings (e.g. IPL - are they all worth 2k? they different greatly in terms of skill/difficult). IEMs are weighted far too strongly imo
but otherwise nice :D


Well, I think he started from LA Battenet invitational, which was around late summer 2011. So this should mean that only IPL 3 and 4 were included (not 100% sure).
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Metalteeth
Profile Joined December 2011
United States115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 05:17:11
August 07 2012 05:16 GMT
#4
On August 07 2012 14:13 opterown wrote:
interesting post!
i disagree with some of the weightings (e.g. IPL - are they all worth 2k? they different greatly in terms of skill/difficult). IEMs are weighted far too strongly imo
but otherwise nice :D


Thanks! The weightings are still open to change if people think they are skewed oddly. I do think that IPL3 and 4 are worth 2000, since I feel that an individual IPL is equal to a MLG Season Championship. IEM is still pretty important, but it seemed kinda odd to weight a "qualifier" event equal to the final world championship. Perhaps make an IEM stop 1500 (equal to an MLG arena) and the IEM WC 2000?
Twitter: @Metalteeth9 GoGo Starcraft!
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
August 07 2012 05:17 GMT
#5
Honestly, it's far too subjective for me imo, since it's really just your opinion. I think I'll stick with TLPD, but who knows, maybe your way will catch on!
Inoshishi
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada29 Posts
August 07 2012 05:17 GMT
#6
Seems kind of pointless with the TLPD ELO rankings, but still cool i guess.
iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
August 07 2012 05:18 GMT
#7
IEM worth more than MLG / IPL? NASL and Asus ROG worth the same as MLG/IPL?
Metalteeth
Profile Joined December 2011
United States115 Posts
August 07 2012 05:19 GMT
#8
On August 07 2012 14:17 FabledIntegral wrote:
Honestly, it's far too subjective for me imo, since it's really just your opinion. I think I'll stick with TLPD, but who knows, maybe your way will catch on!


Well, the only thing that is my opinion is how each tournament is weighed. Like I said, if people think that I have a tournament weighed strangely, I can easily go change it to what the community thinks is better. TLPD is good too, but since it is still separated between Korean and International, it's hard to get a sense of the two scenes together.
Twitter: @Metalteeth9 GoGo Starcraft!
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
August 07 2012 05:21 GMT
#9
Interesting if arbitrary. Since there is no way to lose points seems like it heavily favors those who travel a lot.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 05:22:46
August 07 2012 05:21 GMT
#10
Weightings could use some nuancing. (is already mentioned above)

Maybe there is room for some smaller tournaments as well, for example playhem daily or the Go4sc2 (or how was it called), for very few points.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
August 07 2012 05:22 GMT
#11
GSL should definitely be worth more than it is IMO. Winning a GSL is a MUCH bigger accomplishment than something like an MLG or IPL which are all relatively close in points.
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Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
August 07 2012 05:23 GMT
#12
You can just make a point system like that, it has to also deduct points from the loses you have. If you want a proper list, like as you said in Tennis, individual matches has to count, points added, points deducted etc.

I love the idea, and always thought someone should do it, but just smacking some points in them will not give a proper result. If you're willing to completely rework this, it would be great imo, but needs a lot of work.
Hell, it's about time
Metalteeth
Profile Joined December 2011
United States115 Posts
August 07 2012 05:23 GMT
#13
On August 07 2012 14:21 Jaeger wrote:
Interesting if arbitrary. Since there is no way to lose points seems like it heavily favors those who travel a lot.


It's actually weighted in a way that it doesn't require travelling. MVP is in the top 5, despite almost never leaving Korea. Winning a single event is better than getting mediocre results at 10 MLG events, so it is quality over quantity. The point scaling is based heavily on the scale for Tennis, which rewards winning or consistency. There isn't really a way to do it where those that go to more tournaments aren't rewarded for it.

As for losing points...I don't really know of a way to do incorporate that in a balanced maner.
Twitter: @Metalteeth9 GoGo Starcraft!
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
August 07 2012 05:24 GMT
#14
This seems like a great way to complement ELO ratings.

As the sc2 scene is moving a lot faster than the tennis scene, I think having flat weights over a full year is a bit too long. We can see a few players quite high up that haven't done anything noteworthy in a long (by sc2 standards) time. You could make the points decay a bit faster as you suggest, but it will make it less transparent. You will have situation where players will slide away from their first place on a random day between events when their points decayed to much.

Then maybe better to remove points from a tournament when the same tournament runs again. So you lose your GSL points at the next GSL, etc. It makes much more sense in term of defending a championship, and it will make sure positions stay the same between championships. It will still coincide with tennis, as all tennis championships are run annually (right?).
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 05:29:27
August 07 2012 05:25 GMT
#15
ok, with the premier tournaments tab open - my personal point weightings (for tournaments this year)

GSL 1-3: 5000

IPL4: 3700
MLG Winter Champs: 3500
MLG Spring Champs: 3500

IEM WC: 3300
NASL 3: 3200
ROG Summer: 3000
Winter Arena: 2700
Iron Squid: 2700 (not all offline, otherwise I would weight it more)

MLG Summer Arena: 2500
HSC 4: 2500
IEM Kiev: 2500
ROG Winter: 2500
DH Stockholm: 2500
DH Summer: 2500
MLG Spring Arena 2: 2400
HSC V: 2300

IEM Sau Paulo: 2000

just my personal rankings; i realise some are different, but mainly due to player pools etc. haven't looked at it very carefully yet, pretty quick random lookover
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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
August 07 2012 05:26 GMT
#16
Good to see HuK is still top 10 in the world....
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IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
August 07 2012 05:26 GMT
#17
IMO gsl needs to weighted waaaay higher. Just being in Code S is insanely hard.
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
August 07 2012 05:28 GMT
#18
HAHAHA Mana is higher than nestea.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-07 05:30:13
August 07 2012 05:29 GMT
#19
Is there any sort of built in decay for the world Tennis rankings like they have added for GSL this year? (I don't remember the exact percent but I believe it's 10% decay each season) It just seems a little weird that someone like Huk would still be in the top 10 at this time but I guess it could just feel like an overexaggeration of his recent dropoff. Do the tennis rankings reset after a period of time or does it just continually add until there is some change?

EDIT: I like the idea. It's always interesting to see other people's takes on power rankings and all the different ranking methods. I just had some questions about how it worked since I don't really follow tennis outside of the major events.
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starception
Profile Joined August 2012
205 Posts
August 07 2012 05:30 GMT
#20
No individual team league points? Like 200 points per team league win or 1200 for an all kill? (if bo7 then 1000)
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