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Hopeless1der
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Hopeless1der
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This is the first game I've played with a mason, and it seems to be a variant no less, so my thoughts on the subject: Do not claim immediately. The role is not alignment indicative and really just paints a target on you. There is no guarantee that there are both town and scum masons. I do not see a benefit to masons claiming. @talismania, when you say we must claim masoned, we're identifying ourselves but not the actual mason, correct? If this is the case, I can't think of a good reason not to do this. | ||
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On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote: I wanted WBG to answer the questions... On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote: Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up ...Jingle, you can read just fine. On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote: Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs. All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz) | ||
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Meanwhile, ##Unvote: Glasse Sounded like a straightforward read of wbg, considering wbg just shat all over the "mason claim" discussion. I don't like that he jumped to the conclusion that bugs is scum, but at least something to back it up, so Glasse checks out so far. EBP (Edit before post) and oh crap we already lost a townie. Role of Zorkmid is Townie or 'unknown'? Its green so I assume townie, but I'd like to confirm. | ||
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Countdropula himself has literally two posts in his filter, so I'll reserve judgement for now. Erandorr, I doubt there is much you could do to refute Hier's case on you without going OMGUS on him, but it would be nice if you'd give a go. Also, where is the second go round of your case on Zeph? Seriously, Filter links in the OP? Sloosh already did the legwork. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15687213 | ||
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On wbg. perhaps I'm missing something due to not knowing his meta at all, but that part of the discussion went right over my head. Based on what I've seen in this game, I think he's town. It was a strange play to immediately out masons without telling them, but I don't think it can be conclusively anti-town. Creating sub-par targets for KP is the biggest benefit I see. Right now that seems to leave Grush, Talis and prplhz for current lynch candidates (of people I'd be willing to lynch). I don't know what grush is, but everyone seems happy to let a vig take care of him if we have one and his death doesn't give us anything to go on other than perhaps a quieter environment to play. I don't think he's worth wasting a lynch on today. Talis has been undoubtedly more active than prplhz, but about as useful in the active discussions of the thread. He posts requesting reads from other people without contributing any of own. His filter contains many posts pertaining to setup questions (i.e. more than once) and in general it looks like he's skirting the sidelines of the conversations. Despite his relative activity, I don't really know who he might vote for or who he is really suspicious of anymore. Prplhz got some vote pressure done early on, and has since disappeared into hangover land. I really don't see how this is considered so very scummy, and I don't see enough of a case to justify voting for him yet. Still, he's scummier than bugs so I may end up switching my vote to avoid wbg's lynch. ##Vote: talismania | ||
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My reads today are that between Erandorr, VE and Bugs, there is likely to be scum and I think that it's Erandorr right now. The case against bugs is largely his meta, which I am not familiar with. His mason debacle could go either way, his rage as well. All WIFOM and perhaps "Anti-Town" but NOT the same thing as "Scummy" to me. More trolling than anything else, and look what happened to master troll Grush. This is not enough for me to want to vote him. VE is (or was) vehemently against voting bugs:+ Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP. This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. With people meta'ing, hes apparently suspicious due to his lack of activity, which he says is due to his mason role, and sounds plausible to me. His case against Erandorr makes much more sense to me than Eran's defense of it. Eran tried to accuse VE of neglecting questions and received a prompt response, and Erandorr takes it out of turn to dispute it. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 10:48 Erandorr wrote: VE, wtf. Can you please look at those quotes in context? 1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him 2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer. 3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see. 4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts" Liar. About the "wifom" I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia. I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are WBG VE Jingles Broodking Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? ) ##Vote wbg I am out, good luck with the game. The main point is he paraphrased VE in the nested quote's "I don't give a fuck" sentiment when VE was specifically referring to the MASON stuff. This occured AFTER the second quoted post, which was followed by: On August 07 2012 09:31 Erandorr wrote: 2)Did you miss the part where I explained 30 times that its not at all about the mason thing anymore? Wasn't the mason thing the whole reason Eran thought bugs was scummy at the start? (Or "anti-town") Erandorr's attempt to pass off VE's case as contradictory is incredibly scummy to me, and he immediately says "I am out", leaving no opportunity to grill him further. Based on this interaction, I find VE to be townie. ##Vote: Erandorr | ||
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hopeless1der - every post of his reads scummy in that he only mentions current topics in the thread and he's overcomposing his posts. Still I give him small towncred for saying he was going to look into zeph and then doing it and backing down. I should probably examine that in thread context to see if there would be scum motivation to back down since the zeph wagon inflated and deflated rather rapidly hmmm. Ok aside from that piece of thinking out loud, he also just completely ignores me, his scumread from day one, today. Read his filter. To the "overcomposing", I'm not sure how this suggests my affiliation when considering the fact that I haven't even got a full page in my filter yet. I have been severely lacking in the activity department (which I intend to improve) and I've only really given input on the current topics. However, my keeping my thoughts in line with the thread keeps things focused instead of looking like I'm trying to shift suspicions or clutter the thread. Your point there could easily go either way to paint me as scum regardless. Further to the point of my focusing on the current train of thought, you were not in any way going to be lynched today and I sincerely doubt I would have made any impact trying to get a lynch started on you after having been so inactive. I read up on the thread and posted who I felt was scum. In the future I'll know that Eran just tunnels wbg blind all day. I plan to spend this evening reading through filters and mason logs to figure out what to think now. You're null right now, in case you were wondering. | ||
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On August 09 2012 01:23 BroodKingEXE wrote: A townies gotta have the right info otherwise the whole town is fucked. Towns advantage is they can make consensus and informed desicions, its our job to find the scum leading us off track and look for people who have gone off track. I dont get you you keep saying you wont play the game but your still making accusations (small if that). Townies need that info BEFORE they make decisions not after they already made them. And just because bugs is not as active as everyone would like him to be doesn't diminish the fact that what you posted makes you look bad. | ||
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I don't know about the 'make up for my folly tonight'. I'm expecting an epic case near the deadline right now. tbh I'm expecting 3 or 4 cases right around the deadline tonight, plus the rest of the mason logs. | ||
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On August 09 2012 02:17 talismania wrote: what do you mean "if I flip town" and then "lynch tomorrow"? You know something about the NKs that I don't? I don't know anything about the NK's. I was making an inference based on the situation you described with him coming up with a vig shot on you. If you were to somehow get shot tonight, you said you suspect VE of having a hand in it, though you can't understand how thats possible if he's a mason. You being shot (by him) would assume hes scum. My comment about the lynch tomorrow was that in no way does you flipping town confirm him as scum. I'm still of the opinion that at least one of VE-Bugs-Eran is scum, and since eran has flipped town my choices there are down to two. | ||
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