Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 17 2012 02:07 Katina wrote:
Okay, I have read through the thread and I will give my thoughts so far.

Palmar is Mafia: He puts out the idea of a random lynch and tries to convince the town to go with it. Random lynches are a bad idea, yes there are a lot of mafia but there are more townies. There's a higher chance of hitting a townie D1 which I rather not have happen. Palmar's defenses and responses to other people are pretty interesting and lacking to say the least.
Here are a couple recent ones that I pulled from his filter. When Marv confronted Palmar and asked his to share this is how Palmar replied


Then a couple of pages later comes back with this

I thought it was interesting and wanted to bring attention to him.

Palmar as isn't playing like his "Usual" self this game. He hasn't started up his play of calling people idiots and chewing them out for disagreeing with him. Instead he has been trying to keep his mouth shut in case he gets a few people a little too angry and the votes start shifting towards him.

As for BH, I'm not too sure about him yet. I'm going to wait to see more until I make a decision on him.

Kurumi: I'm leaning suspicious on. I have been in enough games with him where he's been Mafia to have a good idea of how he plays. So far he hasn't been as obnoxious and confusing as he has been previously in other games but there is still enough to make me be weary. Until I see more I'm going to keep an eye on him.

The point is that you can't really explain that in the thread (hence why I didn't) because as soon as everyone realizes you're meant to argue about whether you actually follow through with the random lynch, instead of just executing it, everyone will start thinking about it like a normal case based on analysis, and the advantage will have been lost.

On July 16 2012 21:29 Palmar wrote:
I should've signed up with two accounts, that way I'd at least have someone intelligent to talk to.

On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I almost...
It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post....
just want to put this out there

On July 17 2012 02:21 supersoft wrote:


oh this makes his stuff look artificial... looks like he doesn't believe his own words. ahm okay. maybe i was wrong.
BH can you link me like 2 recent towngames of you please?

I want him to change his behavior since the less shit that goes on in the thread the better, he can still be scum but the thread won't be a nightmare to read and we can simply catch him later

On July 17 2012 02:54 Katina wrote:
Mattchew, I have no idea where that "case against me came from. I made one post and voted on who I thought was the most suspicious and you immediately jump all over me and assume I'm Mafia. WBG has that corner covered. I didn't know that giving my opinion on what's been going on is scummy. It's D1 a majority of the cases are going to be bad (Ex: Your case on me) Don't read into things that aren't there. I'm town. Move onto someone else that is actually scummy.

On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there.

On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote:
@ Mattchew

What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.

On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

That's bullshit and you know it lol.

On July 17 2012 03:29 austinmcc wrote:
Matt, your case on Katina is wrong, regardless of what alignment she is.

I posted that bit from iGrok's game. Some of the players in this game played in that game. At least one of the players here read that game closely. If a random lynch is pro-town because it generates information until you pull back the curtain, then it functions differently here, because the curtain is already pulled back (it took all of like 30 seconds to find that post). Can't assume that he's throwing out the random lynch idea for he same reason as normal.

Katina may be wrong about some bits of her case on Palmar, but I think you're also wrong about her.

On July 17 2012 02:48 Katina wrote:


You're wrong

Also if you read my reasoning behind Katina being scum that's essentially how you catch her. She was much more slippery this game, probably because she heeded the advice I gave her last time. She had multiple targets and she made "cases" on different people (last time she just tunneled one guy) but her downfall was that if she was town she would've equally attacked different people for the same reasons. In other words if she wanted stronger scumplay she should've been aware of contradicting herself

On July 17 2012 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote:


<3

I believe you're the only one who even acknowledged my question.

I agree with all three kills but I'd rank them differently. Wouldn't mind killing Blazingscum and layabout too, they're all scum. All scum, god damn them.

Oh and Wiggles is AFK. Just thought I'd throw that out there, he hasn't posted yet. Possibly rolled scum again, the bastard. OH and BM is afk too. Wtf? Well hell, half the players are afk. W/e.

Let's focus on one player first:

Shit that makes layabout scummy:

Read his filter first, it's not long at all. Keep that in mind for a second.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=233798

He does nothing but shed doubt on sandro's claim. He instantly disbelieves it without considering other evidence. He knows the caliber of sandro's town play yet he doesn't even acknowledge the possibility that sandro could be town.

In addition he's stayed toward the back of the discussion, as he does when he is scum. When he is town he is out in front if he thinks people are being stupid. He will kick and scream and call people retarded if they're doing something he disagrees with. Clearly he disagrees with us sheeping sandro on his catch of Kurumi (otherwise why else would he shed doubt on it?) but notice that he actually doesn't do anything to stop the wagon.

i.e. his doubt is unfounded and he wants to undermine sandro without taking heat for the action itself. Scum tactic.

Kurumi is going to die at the end of the day.

Thus, we should kill someone else. Let's kill this guy for now. Make the bad man fly.

##unvote
##vote layabout

On July 17 2012 11:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm kinda hamstrung until rastaban gets back so in the meantime I'll throw my name in with the people who want BH dead.


BH is really just going for whoever is currently the flavor of the hour, if you look at his posts he's simply flipped whenever thread opinion has changed. Also his reasons for voting people have been very sheepy, he's been gunning for syllo for the better part of the game but all of a sudden bugs waltzes in with a case and BH flips again.

##Unvote
##Vote: Blazinghand