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PSA: No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread! | ||
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I must be over thinking things since none of you questioned mafia following a two line message of questionable intent when mafia can only have sent up to 3 messages that could have been as long as they liked and would have been their only method of communication. Are we ignoring the nuke and just killing Kurumi then? lol On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote: PSA: No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread! On July 17 2012 11:20 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote ##vote: layabout | ||
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If we are killing someone other than Kurumi it should be someone that is being actively disruptive. Town shouldn't do that but scum benefit from it. You all seem to be fine ignoring cheznu so i suggest Q-bert-Z or Blazinghand. | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Do you think Layabout is scum? If so, why aren't you voting him with me, your strongest town-read? Do you think layabout is scum? Your explanation for your vote on him was just an explanation about why you thought BH is town On July 18 2012 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote: @Bugs: Stop rolefishing. Between BH and layabout, I much prefer to lynch layabout and here's why: I believe in sandro's catch on Kurumi. Most of us do, right? So we're operating under the assumtion that scum minion A (Kurumi) has Power A (Nuclear Missile). By my estimation, a power that directly opposes a scum minion's power would, logically, be a town power. The scum team aren't in different factions, they're one BIG faction that don't know each other. So why in the dicks would scum minion B (BH) have scum power B (Anti-Missile) when Power B directly opposes Power A? It makes much more sense to logically assume that BH is town if we're accepting via behavioral analysis that Kurumi is scum. Am I crazy here? Layabout has been consistently useless and that's not like layabout. I'm good with a layabout lynch today. Not syllo. Sandro is right, the case on syllo is weak...and I would be just as opposed to a Foolish or WBG or Sandro lynch based on a weak case. I can't tell what I think of Palmar yet, as his scumplay has taken a SHARP upturn from what we're used to. I need to see more of his intentions before I make a decision about his alignment. ##Vote: layabout At what point and why did your vote have to be on BH or layabout? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote: Semi updated signup list (with those that I know). Will figure out the rest when Incognito is here. I don't think either of us have been active enough lately to follow games. If you are a newer player and want to get in feel free to send a pm stating your experiences so far and why. Not 100% on this atm but currently the rule is they can't give absolute statements, just orders. i,e no 'players x y z are not mafia, get them killed,' just, 'harass player x.' If they are blatant about trying to give out teammates then they'll be censored. Given enough time executives might figure out ways to smuggle information past the censors but it won't be without risk. There may be other mechanics in place to interfere with such play if it is tried. There are redundancy factors in place for communication once someone dies but they will be less than normal. In normal games the town wants to prioritize certain mafia to eliminate powers (especially in PYP games) or reduce kp. As eliminating mafia will not reduce kp here, the focus should be geared at disrupting communication by removing the executives. + Show Spoiler + On July 04 2012 10:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Will those at the top of the scum hierarchy know the powers of those at the bottom? They will know what exists, not who has what. . @Syllo- Current format is everyone sends in their choice to hosts by days end and CEO picks one from the list. Might tweak this a bit. If CEO dies, the decision power will go to one of the executives (in a certain order). If all 3 executives die, one or two minions may have the power to decide..If all possible decision makers die, it will be made by vote with priority on popularity and then who sent it in first. If anyone has suggestions for this feel free. Although sandro didn't appear to have given it much thought the role would get weaker with time as it will not be until day 2 that all of the mafia could have received orders. Additionally the chances of messaging mafia and getting them to reveal themselves are not that high so the role is not too powerful. | ||
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I think i am going to take a break from TL mafia. I had looked forward to this game for some time but now it's happening i can't bring myself to care. At some point during the last game something inside just snapped. There were a number of reasons for it and i was going to make a thread but then real life kicked in and i haven't had the time. Yesterday was my first day back to myself and i spent most of it away from my computer and most of my computer time on Blacklight: Retibution. In spite of this i hate nothing more than asshats that don't play or people that are exempt from trying/playing because "It's player soandso" so i will try. After i die i will bugger off. I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo. Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town. ##vote gonzaw I am not sure how he can think that both foolishness and syllogism are scum. He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint. | ||
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This thread is becoming chaotic but in spite of that we have had a number of players that have a good chance of being scum. The most important thing tomorrow is that we maintain focus and push through the lynch. I know we are hoping that Kurumi will die by some other means but if he is still alive tomorrow we should kill him since i don't think anyone believes that he is town. Kurumi is next-to-confirmed mafia. We are killing him. He knows we are killing him. The only thing he can do in his situation is disrupt the thread. Don't engage him in conversation or ask him to give us information. | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:21 syllogism wrote: Pretty sure palmar is mafia as well. Some of his posts are very reasonable and I even agree with the a lot of content, but his tone and attitude is off. He is also putting in as little effort as possible and basically ignoring me and sandroba despite even at one point calling sandroba confirmed town. Yes this is a very lazy "case" and he probably won't be a lynch candidate tomorrow. Syllo do you know why Palmar tends to post like this early on? I would swear that you once told me that players that are well regarded tnd to be so because they have strong day1 reads and that helps to carry them through the game. So what have you been doing about your day1 reads? | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:30 syllogism wrote: I've no idea what you are trying to say here, but whatever it is, it has no relevance to my read on Palmar. Do you know why Palmar is hiding all of his reasons for his reads? Why are you sitting back and not acting upon your day1 reads given that "strong day1 reads" is one of the best "qualities"? | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:33 Bill Murray wrote: layabout gets called out for being lazy fakes scumhunting BM gets called out for playing anti-town as both alignments in nearly every game he plays continues to play against the town wincon as town | ||
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I would like to add that as a town replacement he didn't read very thoroughly in Bang Bang 2, he shot after expressing that he wouldn't earlier on and he committed to shooting early when doing so only hurt town's interests. + Show Spoiler [Bitter? who is bitter?] + On June 20 2012 06:40 layabout wrote: Why did you just post a list that shows the varying degrees to which you think players are town at night? Why do you provide no explanations whatsoever? Why have you not formed a coherent stance on me? Why are you willing to let Mr. zentor die when you have 4 town reads you are leaning town on Mr Zentor and you are unsure about 2 players? Need i point out that there are only two anti-town players left? I think that zealos should shoot kenpachi. Also no shooting early on! People (should) have stuff to post. + Show Spoiler + *glares at everyone with contempt* On June 20 2012 07:11 Zealos wrote: I'm not shooting unless someone plans to shoot me, otherwise I waste the information I can gain from seeing who can shoot. I would prefer Ken to shoot you laya, obviously, but if the rest of the town is strongly for a zentor kill, then that can work too. With only 3 people who I am unsure about, the shot WILL hit either the sk or mafia. On June 21 2012 02:13 layabout wrote: It is very important that if i am alive i have the opportunity to post tomorrow. Please don't fuck up another game. On June 21 2012 03:13 layabout wrote: Suck my dick. I have to wait until day to post it because posting it at night would be harmful to town. There is no reason for town to shoot before i get back to the thread and have a chance to post. Tomorrow may be lylo and an early shot is a less informed shot. The only two people that have expressed a desire for me to die are zealos and kenpachi. The reasons zealos has given are defensible from his standpoint (except that he doesn't explain any of his town reads and yet still offers them publicly) and kenpachi has told us that i am scummy. On June 21 2012 03:23 MrZentor wrote: Yeah, Zealos, there's no reason for layabout to post it now, and you're a lot scummier than he is. On June 21 2012 19:43 Zealos wrote: If mafia shot ken then he's stupid. ##kill(##kill): layabout If dirk isn't town then shit. On June 21 2012 19:56 Ace wrote: Day 6 layabout, Vanilla Towny has been shot + Show Spoiler [Role] + You are a Vanilla Towny. You've had enough. No more sitting around voting on who's guilty. You've got a gun, and people will learn to listen to you or get bent. Any time during the day you may type ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread and shoot them. The day will end once you shoot. Once you have shot, you have to wait X number of days to shoot again where X is based on the total number of times you've shot during the game. So if you've shot at 2 people during the game, you have to wait 2 days before shooting again. You win when all anti-town players are eliminated. Good luck! It is now Night 6. Night 6 ends in 17 hours at 12:00AM ET / 13:00 KST on June 22nd. | ||
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On July 19 2012 09:31 HiroPro wrote: You don't think the fact that he initially says he has no intention of lynching BH, then based on the same exact evidence later tells me that BH is the person he would kill (and based on a complete bs reason: BH buddying to "influential townie" Kurumi) is scummy? That is not what happened. On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote: I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch. Zealos contradicts RoL reason for his vote. He thinks that "we" might have overtunneled BH with relatively weak reasons. He does not say that he has not intention to lynch BH merely that he has doubts. Now i think there were more reasons for lynching BH in the intervening time but i am too tired to find them. On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote: Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH. I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things: That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?) So he's my pick so far. He says that in addition to what has been said already that BH's behaviuor was odd, both in his "post deadline voteswitch" and his "nuke blocking cuffle". When Zealos says he would kill BH it is after a number of new reason to kill him have come to light it is not for the same reasons that he earlier referenced but never explicitly mentioned. | ||
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On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote: Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi. I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2. Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him. | ||
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On July 20 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: I'm kinda amazed scum is still falling for this "get PMed by Sandro and fuck up" thing. Like, any townie who gets a PM will obviously tell the thread... why doesn't scum? It stands for Public Relations. what if you were given a DT power? also ##Vote: Kurumi | ||
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Are you happy to discredit him instead? On July 19 2012 02:38 Foolishness wrote: I have bigger fish to fry. Nobody is listening to you anyways. Are you a nobody? + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2012 04:00 Foolishness wrote: Well to be honest I was looking through his past games and it seemed like his day 1 play matched his town behavior more than his mafia. Yeah the limbo state doesn't tell us anything, but he seems to be trying to do something. For instance his recent post here (I know most of that post is against you but these kinds of posts don't seem to be present in his mafia games). | ||
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On July 20 2012 08:44 Probulous wrote: Does anyone still think BH is mafia? Cause for the life of me I can't believe that mafia would need a blocking ability if they have the only nuke. Given they only have six power roles, it would needlessly weaken them. We know town don't have a nuke because Kurumi is still alive. I think he is still disruptive and spammy which mafia have an interest in being whilst town do not. Mind you i always think that. On July 20 2012 09:12 Probulous wrote: Ok since you guys are here, thoughts on QBertz? Note to self: QBertz is acusing people of lurking whilst being useless himself. We should kill Q-Bert-Z, he is posting like he has made up his own restiction which mafia have reason to do. But i would rather kill zealos, gonzaw and syllogism first. | ||
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This game requires half of the thread to agree on a lynch. Kurumi is + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you. he was angry that syllogism proposed that he could do this as town And yet there are 5 votes not on Kurumi! We are going to need focus more and we are going to need to stop joking around with votes and thread actions. Palmar and Foolishness are calling syllogism mafia. Syllogism in turn is calling both Palmar and Foolishness mafia. Many of you insist on speculating that the host will have made the CEO one of these players (or sandroba or Meapak). It is always dangerous to make decisions based upon out-guessing the host. But if we are aiming to kill the CEO we should plac e our attention on those 3 players. If we are looking for the person most likely to flip scum tomorrow we need look no further tahn our good friend zealos. I defended him initially but his actions since then show that he is either a mafia or a townie that isn't playing. READ: On July 19 2012 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote: + Show Spoiler [snip] + Okay, several things: I can confirm that there is at least one messaging power that can be used on townies. I received this after the daypost: Congratulations! You tripped down some stairs and hit your head. When you woke up, you realized that you were actually a member of the House Chezinu! That's right! You are now part of the third party, House Chezinu! The first order of business is to get out there and make it known to the world! You'll need some more members to get this really rolling, so spread the word and get recruiting! Once a cycle, you may recruit someone. Simply type "##Recruit: <name> in the thread, and you will be able to recruit a new member! You may use this ability once per day! (Once per cycle, at night) However, you may only have a total of three members besides yourself. You're part of House Chezinu, so you're above win conditions. (You're already part of House Chezinu, what more do you need to win?) But maybe you can unite the workers in a glorious revolution! P.S., There's no House Chezinu like a house with Chezinu. Just sayin. And I confirmed with the host that this is a player-sent message. Secondly we have two near-confirmed scum in Kurumi and Zealos. If you're a vig or you have any sort of night KP it might be a good idea to kill them given that tomorrow will likely be a wash if they're alive. Before sandroba revealed that he had messaged zealos WBG considered zealos to be as likely scum as Kurumi. He did not explain his reasons explicitly but he expressed this opinion and we would be wise not to forget it. It's useful to have a meta assessment so: On July 19 2012 10:19 HiroPro wrote: Why would a townie essentially make up a reason. Bear in mind that Zealos has show that he has no desire to come up with good reasons when scum (in MTG when I was mafia teammates with him, he argued that he had zero scum reads d1 and so he just voted for his least townie person. he then proceeded to lurk until halfway through night 1 and then appeared with a case on zelblade who was basically just a lurker based entirely on evidence that would have been available to him when he made his d1 vote.) What was the most sgnificant event during day1? + Show Spoiler [Answer] + The great sandroaba-Kurumi debacle of course! This one event outed Kurumi as scum. Now town should take a scum lynch day1 100% of the time. From that point onwards the only thing the thread needed to do was vote kurumi and then ask whether it was a a bus or not. It should have removed all other candidates for the lynch and discussion the thread should have moved onto the next day's lynch. RoL's nuke was the only good reason to move on from this issue and it was the reason that kurumi was not lynched. Everyone should have paid their attention to that and thought about the various possibilities since for a time that event would have decided that days lynch and is deciding today lynch. It was your responsibility as town. But are we to believe that until this morning zealos was unaware of the whole thing? Zealos placed his first vote against austinmcc On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote: Unfortunatly I'm going to have to go with this. Having only recently replaced in and having been out all day today, I'm just gonna vote for the person that seems the most scummy recently. I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet. ##Vote: austinmcc He says nothing about austinmcc specifically and yet he feels that the only thing needed to justify his vote was thread momentum. At that time a few players were calling austinmcc scummy but there was nothing substantial said at all and he had very few votes. Zealos' vote was lazy and shows that he was trying to fit in rather than trying to get a successful lynch. It sounds a lot like the Zealos that HiroPro descibed. On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote: Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH. I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things: That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?) So he's my pick so far. So Zealos still was not reading the thread since austinmcc did not have a decent case against him and his comment about Kurumi demonstrates a complete lack of thread knowledge. He also picks out Blazinghand not for being scummy but for being "odd". Which is strange since there should be enuogh players for him to find something that is scummy and not simply "odd". On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote: I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb, I will simply re-post: On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler [snip] + On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote: Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi. I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2. Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him. And what has he done? Well he spent just long enough in the thread to have sandroba's message explained to him. He contributed nothing of his own and has not been productive. He is mafia. ##tomorrow we should vote zealos | ||
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