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fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi
Profile Joined February 2012
Israel157 Posts
June 18 2012 04:19 GMT
#1
John the Baptist, the character in the Christian Bible who baptized Jesus Christ, is found, according to scientists. They found relics in a small marble sarcophagus two years ago on a Bulgarian island called Sveti Ivan, which translates as Saint John. Bulgarian archaeologists had found a small box made of hardened volcanic ash close to the sarcophagus. A research team from Oxford University dated the right-handed knuckle bone to the first century AD. And scientists from the University of Copenhagen analysed the DNA of the bones, finding they came from a single individual, probably a man, from a family in the modern-day Middle East, where John would have lived.

This is an interesting and important find as science and human technology are unpacking and reinforcing the story of man and of the historical accounts in the Bible. It is yet another proof of the story of Jesus and his teachings. We still have much to learn, and hopefully science and religion will corroborate to bring humanity to discover its history and the greater purpose of life as described in its historical accounts.

The findings are to be presented in a documentary to be aired on The National Geographic channel in Britain on Sunday.

Source: http://news.discovery.com/history/john-baptist-bones-120615.html
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Scientists have found new evidence they say supports the theory that a knuckle bone and other human remains found under a church floor in Bulgaria may be of John the Baptist.

The relics found in a small marble sarcophagus two years ago on a Bulgarian island called Sveti Ivan, which translates as Saint John, also included a human tooth, part of a skull and three animal bones. A research team from Oxford University dated the right-handed knuckle bone to the first century AD, when John is believed to have lived until his beheading ordered by king Herod, the university said in a statement.

And scientists from the University of Copenhagen analysed the DNA of the bones, finding they came from a single individual, probably a man, from a family in the modern-day Middle East, where John would have lived. While these findings do not definitively prove anything, they also don't refute the theory first proffered by the Bulgarian archaeologists who found the remains while excavating under an ancient church on the island.

Many sites around the world claim to hold relics of the saint, including the Grand Mosque in Damascus which says it has his head. The right hand with which the prophet allegedly baptised Jesus in the River Jordan is also claimed to be held by several entities, including a Serbian Orthodox monastery in Montenegro. "The result from the metacarpal hand bone is clearly consistent with someone who lived in the early first century AD," Oxford University professor Tom Higham said of the new study.

"Whether that person is John the Baptist is a question that we cannot yet definitely answer and probably never will." Bulgarian archaeologists had found a small box made of hardened volcanic ash close to the sarcophagus. The box bore inscriptions in ancient Greek that referred to John the Baptist and the date that Christians celebrate his birth, June 24. The findings of another Oxford researcher, using historical documents, suggest that the monastery of Sveti Ivan may have received a portion of John the Baptist's relics in the fifth or early sixth centuries.

The findings are to be presented in a documentary to be aired on The National Geographic channel in Britain on Sunday.
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Atheist
Profile Joined December 2011
186 Posts
June 18 2012 04:24 GMT
#2
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

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RaNgeD
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States733 Posts
June 18 2012 04:25 GMT
#3
Pretty awesome. Reminds me of a video I saw a few months back of chariot wheels found at the bottom of the Red Sea.
Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. 1 Corinthians 13:7
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 18 2012 04:26 GMT
#4
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

Well said, atheist.
-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
June 18 2012 04:26 GMT
#5
"Whether that person is John the Baptist is a question that we cannot yet definitely answer and probably never will."

=

"John the Baptist has been found. Proof that Jesus and his teachings are real!"
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44312 Posts
June 18 2012 04:26 GMT
#6
They found a knuckle bone, a tooth, and three animal bones? And "Whether that person is John the Baptist is a question that we cannot yet definitely answer and probably never will."

Sounds legit.

I don't think this means anything profound. Those that have faith will still have faith. Those that don't believe will continue to not believe.

It's nice that the Church is at least attempting to find archaeological evidence of religious icons and Biblical beliefs to validate their history and teachings though.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
June 18 2012 04:26 GMT
#7
Lol so they found DNA from an ancient middle eastern man? MUST BE HIM THEN. Because there were no other men in the middle east besides John The Baptist right? I sincerely doubt even a fraction of the people mentioned in the bible ever really lived.
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 18 2012 04:26 GMT
#8
I might be misunderstanding your sentence, but how is this proof that Jesus existed? Furthermore, the article you spoilered explicitly says this is no proof that even John existed
"The result from the metacarpal hand bone is clearly consistent with someone who lived in the early first century AD," Oxford University professor Tom Higham said of the new study.

"Whether that person is John the Baptist is a question that we cannot yet definitely answer and probably never will."

The whole article doesn't have the same confidence as you do, so I don't think your conclusions are correct.
Dispersion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Korea (South)504 Posts
June 18 2012 04:26 GMT
#9
It's been documented that Jesus exists, he probably did too. That's cool, hope this doesn't turn into a circlejerk..=/ nice find though on their part
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Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2574 Posts
June 18 2012 04:27 GMT
#10
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

Your name + Your comment = My lol

Interesting find. I don't know if I believe it or not because back then they could have just claimed that it was him.
If it is true then it's an interesting find. It's weird that they found John so far away.
Wishing you well.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 18 2012 04:27 GMT
#11
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

OP is a little overeager, but you're an asshole.
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OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
June 18 2012 04:28 GMT
#12
A man was buried on an island and they just claim it's him?

Unsubstantiated claim to the max. It's more likely just a random rich dude who was traveling when he died, and then they did this. I'm not going to argue against Christianity like I want to, but this is hardly news. If it became officially him, then I'd care but until then it's just a dead guy who was probably from the middle east (which is a fucking huge area).

This is as bad as the 'we found Noah's Ark' claims a few years back
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 18 2012 04:28 GMT
#13
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.

I'm praying for you.
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RaNgeD
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States733 Posts
June 18 2012 04:28 GMT
#14
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.


You're right, there isn't a way to prove God exists. But this is actually a step to proving that "this cute little fairy tale book" may be a book of history, and not just fiction as you say.
Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. 1 Corinthians 13:7
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
June 18 2012 04:28 GMT
#15
i love how someone named atheist is the first person to respond.. but ye... sensationalist title is bad
Mr.Faces
Profile Joined June 2012
United States121 Posts
June 18 2012 04:29 GMT
#16
You can't link an unidentified body to an unverified character... neither the scientific nor the forensic method works like that.
I shall prevail
AFKPuezo
Profile Joined August 2010
183 Posts
June 18 2012 04:29 GMT
#17
Whether that person is John the Baptist is a question that we cannot yet definitely answer and probably never will


Also, before I opened this thread I totally expected that they had found a severed skull or something, not just a knucklebone.
tso
Profile Joined April 2010
United States132 Posts
June 18 2012 04:29 GMT
#18
"probably" a man

"definitely" john the baptist

mmHmmm

means nothing

that's right

nothing
...
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
June 18 2012 04:30 GMT
#19
On June 18 2012 13:24 Atheist wrote:
So what? They can discover every bone of everyone in that cute little fairy tale book you christians call the bible, but it changes nothing about the fact that there is no way to prove your god exists.


Shit like this is exactly why I don't talk about religion. There's always an aggressive atheist who not only disagrees, but feels the need to insult anybody who is. Congrats bro, go post this to r/atheism along with some facebook pictures of you insulting somebody for saying they'll be praying for somebody else. It'll be a hoot.

That said... this article is rubbish. They found almost nothing. A part of a finger that they can't prove is in any way John the Baptist's.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44312 Posts
June 18 2012 04:30 GMT
#20
OP's name is "fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi"

Backwards is: I am the way, the truth, and the life... something religious, I assume?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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