EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XVI
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The_Zen_Man
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The_Zen_Man
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I have read some of the grush-release discussion, and i can say that i did found Grush comment weird. Also some of his later post is also strange. I will post a analysis on him later. But release, you are going against him to hard. You said it yourself before, that your comment is useless to anyone but grush. If it's like that, you should let others give their opinions about him, and focus on someone else for a bit. Also, as to my opinions on lynching, i agree that in case there is a hard lurker and no scum reads we should lynch the lurker, as he is not contributing anyways. But lynching with not much information (like d1) will probably result in a misslynch. We still gain information even is there is no lynch, by observing how players act before lynch, what they vote for, reaction after lynch, etc. | ||
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The_Zen_Man
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You also jumped to conclusion when grush wrote: On June 09 2012 11:38 grush57 wrote: So your third post is this. Now you changed your mind. It's fine if people lurk. (What case?) Whats to talk about, seriously give me something lol. People are lurking? Yeah mlg is on and it's not even 3 hours [QUOTE][B] Where you assumed his stance was changed on lurkers. I think he only wanted to state a reason for people not posting. I agree that grush seemed scummy, but don't try to come up with conclusion that are not true. | ||
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The_Zen_Man
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The_Zen_Man
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[QUOTE]On June 10 2012 04:35 The_Zen_Man wrote: Lazermonkey seems to make his own conclusions about grush, without it being the truth, as ha236 stated. His latest comments about the "i wouln't be suprised" quote is strange. Grush simply said that the scum might be among the ones that had not posted, but you just jumped to the conclusion that he meant that everyone that had posted was his townread. You also jumped to conclusion when grush wrote: [QUOTE]On June 09 2012 11:38 grush57 wrote: (What case?) Whats to talk about, seriously give me something lol. People are lurking? Yeah mlg is on and it's not even 3 hours [/QUOTE]So your third post is this. Now you changed your mind. It's fine if people lurk. [QUOTE][B] Where you assumed his stance was changed on lurkers. I think he only wanted to state a reason for people not posting. I agree that grush seemed scummy, but don't try to come up with conclusion that are not true.[/QUOTE] Did you even read my answer to ha236? I feel like I have already answered all of your questions... [/QUOTE] Did you read my post? I merely posted my opinion on you, i didn't post ask question. But it is good that you answered my imaginary questions. | ||
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The_Zen_Man
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The_Zen_Man
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Then, with your second answer, you argue about the meaning of grush saying "I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers", which clearly means that he thinks that the mafia might be among the lurkers, not that they are definetly there. And no, it wasn't "LITTERALY" the same post, because if it had been that it would be one and the same. | ||
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The_Zen_Man
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First of all, i would like to say that i am not making this in respond to Lazermonkey voring on me, but rather that he said that i did not have any ideas of my own. On June 10 2012 19:00 Lazermonkey wrote: The case against The_Zen_Man So instead of writing ''I agree'', you took the time to write the whole case again? Not only is this useless and waste of time, it's also the way scum would play. You make it look like you post stuff of actuall value when it's in fact crap. You said my answers weren't very good. How am I suposed to know that? Because the concern here must lie in that you were unsatisfied with my answers, otherwise why would you post it in the first place? Yes I said I " might have been exaggerating a bit" but you are taking it completly out of context. I don't think you read my post very carefully if you said that. You make it look like I confessed that I lied. If you read the post this is clearly not what I did. You give 100% the exact answer that ha236 did once again here, regarding "I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers". I have already said what I think about this but still you don't inculde it in your post. Why is this? did you not like this answer either? am I suposed to ''assume this''? I don't get you ZenMan. You tunnel me like no tomorrow. But your cases are all crap. Either they are exact copies of Ha236 or they are over exaggerations and/or lies. None of that is good for town. You think grush is scummy, but you don't add thought behind that at all. You also put soft defense for him all over the place, but is very clear with that you still think he is scummy. You even say we should lynch him and ''then we can think about how to proceed once he flips.''. Bandwagon much? You don't think Ha236 looks scummy at all. You don't give any reasons at all for this. Still he havn't taken any clear stances anywhere? You don't think this is scummy? Is there a possibilty of you two being scumbros prehaps? Tbh you just fucking broke my scummo-o-meter. You don't write cases, at beast you copy them from Ha236, at worst you say things without a singel reference or post to back it up. You try(intentional or not) to pull the action away from both grush and Ha236 by posting crazy cases on me. I am willing to lynch grush or Ha236 if that is the only alternative but right now my suspicion on The_Zen_Man is tenfold my suspicion on those two combined. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man Now i would like to talk about your vote. First you say that i should have just written "i agree" in my post, which is what I basically did, I just referred to Ha236 post. But you seemed to think that i wrote this as my own post, which i did not. Then you later on say that i "tunnel" you, after i have just posted about 2 posts about you. Once again you exaggerate a lot. This is a typical scum play, to make small things seem very big, so that they can build on a case that is not really there. You go on to say that i put "sof defense" for grush. Where have i done this? This seems like a scum move also, fabricating facts that do not exists. I have stated my opinion on grush before. What is also interesting is that not long after ha236 posted about Lazermonkeys's flawed logic and "exaggerating", Solstice came and posted a "case" on ha236, which was imo very weak. Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon? After i posted some more on Lazermonkey where i was suspicous of his post on Grush, he immediatly voted on me to turn the attention to me. This can be a scum move, as they can start to panic and direct the attention elsewhere Lazermonkey later goes on by saying that i pull the action away from grush, but that i am trying to start a bandwagon on him. This is contradictory. Why would i pull the action away from him if i wanted to bandwagon him? I am not going to vote for you because that would be to sink to your level. I prefer to stay calm instead of just voting for the other person, but you did rise on my scum reads. ##Fos: Lazermonkey | ||
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The_Zen_Man
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The_Zen_Man
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On June 11 2012 05:28 Lazermonkey wrote: YO ZENMAN! You have still some unanswered questions, remember? I explain why prople think you are soft defending grush, so it might be worth a look ; ). + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2012 21:11 Lazermonkey wrote: That's cool for me. Yes, that's what you should've done in this case. Can you mention even one thing in this post that isn't already in ha236s post? I don't think it's an exaggeration. You've made 7 posts so far(not counting the /in-post). 1 is about how you missquoted 1 is about how you think Ha236 is not scum(but this is a crap post as you basically only says that). 1 is your introction post 4 is about me So basically you have two useless posts, 4 about me and one that is not. So 80% of your posts of substance is about me. First you told Release to ease the pressure on grush. Then you also accused my case against grush of being bad. You are also one of the few people that havn't yet put any pressure on grush. This is ''soft defense'' in my eyes. You havn't said you don't think he is scum but if he flips green then you will be among those who looks least guilty. It's intresting that you keep saying that the case on ha236 is so weak when there are already a couple of people willing to vote for him. Surely there must be at least something with his play that is suspicous? ''Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?'', so the fact that I thought there were something worth of notice in his post makes us both scum? eh... Lolwat. This is like the opposite of what I did. Your first posts was insanly strange and with lack of logic. Yet I didn't post a case on you. It was only after you had posted no more than 3 posts against me, all filled with crap that I wrote the actual case. I don't know, that is for you to decide as you are the scum : ). I can think of plenty of alternatives. This also adds up to my point about your indecisiveness of grush. You pull the action away from him, doesn't push him at all yet you say we should lynch him without giving any alternatives? Why so scared of voting me? Why would I write this case if you were a townie? Either admitt your very flawed logic or you should belive that I am scum. You did neither. And you even said earlier in the post that my play was much like scum play and also you thought there was a chance for me and s0Lstice to be scumbros. And yet you don't vote me... I have answered all you questions. You however failed to answer one of mine. Why do you not think Ha236 looks scummy? To everyone else: Why have almost noone commented on my case on The_Zen_Man/his case on me so far? First of all, the reason i wanted release to ease the pressure was not to "soft defend" grush, but so that the discussion would not get more out of hand, and someone else say what they think about him. They filled up 5 pages of posts, and in the end of the discussion release himself said that his comment would be useless to anyone but grush, If it has turned out like that, it benefits the case if we get some fresh eyes on the subject. You then say that i accused your case of being bad. You had a lot of flaws in your post, which we discussed before, and that is why i said it was bad. I have from the beginning said that i am suspicous of grush, and i am pushing for a lynch of him now. | ||
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The_Zen_Man
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The_Zen_Man
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When i flip town, please go after Lazermonkey Lazermonkey have tunneled me for a long time now, and is for some reason dead set on lynching me. I think he is trying to get a mislynch for mafia, and when i flip town he will go like "Oh, damn. Well it's not my fault, he sounded really scummy to me." This will give mafia a free kill without putting their member Lazermonkey at risk. | ||
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