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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
November 16 2005 00:20 GMT
#1
Penalty points +2 Templars Of Twilight

ToT)Mondragon( banned on playday 4: As squadleader he initiated offense against oG), disrespected admin-order to stop it and now eventually has to account for that with an 1 playday ban penalty.

Penalty points +6 oGaming (Acc Sharing oG)Jang <-> Sea.Firefist)
oG)Jang banned on playdays: 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8. Firefist banned for playdays: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 (whole season).


At least I can have peace with this, though the banning of mondragon is kinda farfetched, they should've banned strafe, but he's not even in the roster, but whatever.

At least oG got a sizable punishment.
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MaGnIfIcA
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway2312 Posts
November 16 2005 00:36 GMT
#2
What is this about? oG and ToT had a cw that went into a flamewar or something? Tried to check the ToT page real quick for any news, but didnt see anything. Neither have i see anything around here about anything like this that i can remember.
Wannabe sMB member yo, so spankable-.-v;;
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-16 00:41:38
November 16 2005 00:41 GMT
#3
On November 16 2005 09:36 MaGnIfIcA wrote:
What is this about? oG and ToT had a cw that went into a flamewar or something? Tried to check the ToT page real quick for any news, but didnt see anything. Neither have i see anything around here about anything like this that i can remember.



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=33279

SCCL day 3

strafe got banned partially for that
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Dinnin[pG]
Profile Joined June 2005
China70 Posts
November 16 2005 00:48 GMT
#4
lol? They banned Mondragon for 1 playday? Thats ridicilous...As Twisted said, it was mostly Strafe who came up with the racism and flaming
Red_Dragon
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Croatia2862 Posts
November 16 2005 00:54 GMT
#5
It is fair enough. Strafe got his part before.
Climbing walls of an endless circle
ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
November 16 2005 01:00 GMT
#6
iG is REALLY and now I mean REALLY lucky with this decision ^^ having already beat the 2 strongest teams, ToT/mYm and now not having to play oG) with their koreans ^^
Really, play for fun!
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
November 16 2005 01:03 GMT
#7
how come jang got punished, i dont think he even knew about firefist sharing his account since he wasnt even awake yet
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 16 2005 01:04 GMT
#8
dissy did not initiate and dissy even banned strafe from the channel / told em to stop. Aside from that i think this is reasonable. Banning oG is to harsh but this is sizeable. Does oG's koreans know not to do this in the future? Cause like we discussed, in their eyes this wasnt abuse or some kinda scam koreans do this all the time in their own league (not sure with what intent).
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-16 01:43:48
November 16 2005 01:34 GMT
#9
Even if it was a random employee of the Coca Cola company who commits offense, The CEO of the Coca Cola company is always accountable that employee's action. It is a professional league, so you need a professional mind.

Furthermore mondi somehow participated/encouraged strafe by when strafe said "the gooks," he agrees by replying 'of course the Korean rice eater.' Now let's not go further into whether that was offensive or not since obviously he didn't say it with good intent.
1tym is one time for your mind
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 16 2005 01:44 GMT
#10
1tym your example could not be more off the mark and flawed in logic and reality. You cannot provide one example of where an employee committed a hate crime or a racist action and the CEO was punished via law.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
November 16 2005 01:44 GMT
#11
Eeehheheheehhehehhe. Go Strafe!
River me timbers.
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
November 16 2005 01:52 GMT
#12
good punishments imo, the thing against mondi was just to show they were aware of the racist comments being made by tot members probably, and just gave mondragon the mildest of punishments.. a minor warning :o
If strafe had been in the rooster, he'd gotten the same penatly as the other koreans probably.
Bergkamp ftw!
SunShine
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands787 Posts
November 16 2005 01:56 GMT
#13
Thank god sccl admins have no clue how 2 run a league. Hf with it guys~
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-16 04:22:44
November 16 2005 02:00 GMT
#14
Control it is like that 99% of the times. Any incident happening within Starbucks store, the manager is accountable for it.
My point being is that the leader is always responsible for the happenings within his boundaries to certain degrees regardless of the circumstances. Especially when he participated.
1tym is one time for your mind
DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
November 16 2005 02:21 GMT
#15
yes this was good, the mondi-shit was just to state an example for future references I guess~~
StarOfDust
Profile Joined September 2005
Sweden163 Posts
November 16 2005 02:49 GMT
#16
Hope this is like gone and forgotten soon, don't want the koreans to be angry. I love to see them play foringers.
Me love u long time, keke!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 16 2005 03:31 GMT
#17
No actually. If a customer walks in and a Starbucks employee says "get out gook" or some racist shit, the manager walks in and fires the employee. If the customer presses charges the Manager isnt held accountable, i ask again: give me a example of where the employee acted out in a racial manner and the manager was held accountable.
ArCNeON(TE)
Profile Joined August 2004
Finland134 Posts
November 16 2005 03:34 GMT
#18
Not sure who ToT are playing next, but Mondragon out for 1 gameday shouldn't hurt them much, they got plenty of great players

oG) on the other hand might be in big problems :D Let's see how long they can keep their 2nd spot O_O Or what the hell does penalty point even mean? :D Does it mean they lose pts in the league ? If so... rofl
San Francisco, here I come! =)
JoopeyDoop
Profile Joined September 2004
United States150 Posts
November 16 2005 03:38 GMT
#19
incontrol is hella owing this thread :O!! gogo!
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-16 04:13:33
November 16 2005 03:48 GMT
#20
An employee says "get out gook" and "you fuckin small penis shithead" to a cumstomer for 20 minutes in manager's presence but the manager neglects it for 20 minutes before finally he decides to put an end to it and at some point even chipping in by saying of course you riceeaters, then sure the hell the manger will get fired by starbucks headquater. Not to mention that the manager can be charged with negligence. As a starbucks manager, He should've stopped the incident way earlier. After few seconds. It is the responsibility of a manager of the Starbucks to maintain standard, make sure customers are treated well and serve the best coffee.

You know in a strata zone, if a random person walking by gets tripped over by big nail sticking out, then the real estate agent can be charged with negligence even though it is not his direct responsibility, rather the contruction team's fault but since the real estate agent is responsible for the management of the strata zone.
1tym is one time for your mind
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