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BigshoT
Profile Joined July 2005
United States171 Posts
November 16 2005 09:52 GMT
#61
Both mondragon/strafe were very BM that day....
Ramble On~
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
November 16 2005 09:58 GMT
#62
penalty for mondragon: dunno. i havent seen it live and the screens i saw werent that impressive. whatever.

penalty for og: wtf . this is ridiculous, this thing is about money and accsharing leads to bans in comparable leagues(or the wc division of the same league where clans got kicked for accsharing).weaker clans will try it cuz they have nothing to lose. when their inferior player plays hell lose anyway so why not try to share and if it works weee win,and if they really get caught they have nothing to fear.
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TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
November 16 2005 10:08 GMT
#63
On November 16 2005 18:58 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
penalty for mondragon: dunno. i havent seen it live and the screens i saw werent that impressive. whatever.

penalty for og: wtf . this is ridiculous, this thing is about money and accsharing leads to bans in comparable leagues(or the wc division of the same league where clans got kicked for accsharing).weaker clans will try it cuz they have nothing to lose. when their inferior player plays hell lose anyway so why not try to share and if it works weee win,and if they really get caught they have nothing to fear.


You can try that once, and both your players will get banned and you will have pts deducted and you get a warning, do it again and your banned.
Maybe its worth it , maybe not :p
Bergkamp ftw!
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
November 16 2005 10:41 GMT
#64
let it go
Bergkamp ftw!
Porcul
Profile Joined November 2005
Vatican City State42 Posts
November 16 2005 11:05 GMT
#65
the "let it go" is kinda boring
keke ^^;;
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-16 13:52:48
November 16 2005 11:40 GMT
#66
On November 16 2005 16:45 iG.DrunkenTiger wrote:
It is hilarious how Control always miserably fails to deliver anything worth reading. Its just so blatantly obvious you're sucking Mondragons dick because he invited you into ToT) because he is in ToT) and because you're in ToT). Anyone who is in ToT) that actually tries and defends Mondragon is fucking pathetic. The only person worthy of doing that without being a pussy and speaking the truth, all of it, and NOTHING but it is Trek. Trek will tell you how it is. The rest of you guys just suck on Mondys dick thinking of stupid bullshit to justify his actions when you all know he was wrong for what he did.

First of all everyone in ToT) sucks mondys dick and I don't mean that offensively I'm just telling how it is. I think most people would agree, lol. With that being said... Mondy at any time could have simply called it off. You're arguments are worthless INC because everyone that knows ToT) knows for a fact that Mondy could have called the shit talking off at any time. Is it so hard to explain to one of your members what hes doing is childish, and will further result in him being kicked from the team because he gives everyone a bad message for his team? Most teams don't tolerate that shit, not even -X17.

You know to me its amazing. A team like -X17 with such a fucking shitty reputation.... would have dealt with something like this as a simple GOOD-BYE. There woulddn't be any questions asked. As Co-Leader if I ever witnessed that in any circumstance there would be no telling him to stop. I have certain expectations I make sure my team knows my expectations. I set up rules that I expect to be followed or harsh consequences will be the result. I'm a very patient man however. Most people say i'm not, I think I am.

Well the point is that Mondragon failed as a leader. It wasn't Strafes fault. It was Mondragons fault. He either misinforned strafe or didn't inform him at all on what he expects as a leader. Mondragon is a shitty leader thats all it is. He doesn't know jack shit about leading teams. He tagbans teams from his channel after losing CWs to them? Pretty funny. And his racist comments should be dealt with even more so harshly. Racism isn't tolerated in the world Not anywhere. Not on the internet not in real life. Its a serious offense. Joking or not. Doesn't fucking matter only children joke about shit like that.

It was obvious the sore loser Mondragon said riceeater because he got raped. It was obvious that Strafe was "defending" ( yah right.. lol ) his team, by shit talking Koreans in general. Not only did he shit Koreans for playing BroodWar but he began to shit talk them as a race. Therse no excuse for that, and if you've seen Strafes picture you'd know why


EDIT- unnecessary. Mani.
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meth_0d
Profile Joined October 2005
United States112 Posts
November 16 2005 11:59 GMT
#67
I love how the Internet has made it safe for people to insult each other w/o fear of a smack in the face. That's right, express your inner racism and psychotic behavior by typing rather than talking on the streets. You know you'd think twice before calling a black man a nigger, a white dude a honky, an asian a gook and so on. And for those of you who say "these are just jokes", go up to someone you're friends with and make those kinda jokes, see their reaction. Much less making those kind of "jokes" to a stranger.
Life is what you make it.
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-16 12:18:31
November 16 2005 12:18 GMT
#68
Fishyeye seems to be eating well these days..
1tym is one time for your mind
John Doe
Profile Joined November 2005
Fiji71 Posts
November 16 2005 12:26 GMT
#69
haha - yeah he sure does...
To know that we know what we know, and to know that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge.
TheBlackJack
Profile Joined December 2004
57 Posts
November 16 2005 12:49 GMT
#70
Lee wants you to know that he doesn't tolerate bad manner in X17. He also wants you to know that he thinks Mondragon is a childish sore loser, Strafe is ugly, and the rest of ToT are cocksuckers.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 16 2005 12:53 GMT
#71
Keep us posted on the political situation in Lee camp Chris!
Dinnin[pG]
Profile Joined June 2005
China70 Posts
November 16 2005 14:40 GMT
#72
Someone wanna tell me what Sen and Jee's reaction were to this kind of racism? I mean they were in the channel... Maybe Sen didnt understand everything, but Jee certainly did
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
November 16 2005 16:09 GMT
#73
On November 16 2005 21:18 1tym wrote:
Fishyeye seems to be eating well these days..


Sorry, but I didn't get this joke. Can someone explain please?
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
November 16 2005 16:21 GMT
#74
To be honest, I think that people are a bit overreacting with the "Rice Eaters"...

Seriously, everyone keeps bashing France and no one seems to care...
And Americans keep laughing at Canadians for no god damn reasons...

If this kind of "racism" isn't acceptable, then we should ban any form of it.
Depression is just a sarcastic state of mind. Liquid`HerO Fighting!
meth_0d
Profile Joined October 2005
United States112 Posts
November 16 2005 16:40 GMT
#75
For me, for whatever reason, there's a difference between bashing a country and bashing an ethnicity. For example, if there was a specific insult about Koreans (your cars suck, whatever), I find that a lot less offensive than "gook." "Yankee, go home" is better than "redneck, get off your sister." Now that I think about it, I don't know why, but insults based on a person's appearance (skin color, features) tend to rile people up a lot more than insults based on nationality (German, Korean, French). At least that's my two cents.
Life is what you make it.
meth_0d
Profile Joined October 2005
United States112 Posts
November 16 2005 16:45 GMT
#76
Maybe it's because you can always move to a different country, but unless you're Michael Jackson, you can't change your skin color.
Life is what you make it.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-16 16:54:16
November 16 2005 16:45 GMT
#77
On November 17 2005 01:21 OctoPuSs wrote:
To be honest, I think that people are a bit overreacting with the "Rice Eaters"...

Seriously, everyone keeps bashing France and no one seems to care...
And Americans keep laughing at Canadians for no god damn reasons...

If this kind of "racism" isn't acceptable, then we should ban any form of it.


I think with the "Rice Eater" comment it was intended to make the Korean intentionally angry. Before the match even happened, it seemed oG and ToT really hated each other. I'm just guessing since I wasn't around during the ToT vs oG dispute. As for the other comments you mentioned, I think those are just randomly thrown around in this forum just for easy laughs instead intentionally starting a flame war.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
LoNiC_ESL
Profile Joined November 2005
Germany17 Posts
November 16 2005 19:14 GMT
#78
Many wrong things were posted here, even by ESL official News Admins. No clue how some ppl think they can talk about things they dont even know.

Right is that mondragon got punished because he started flaming when entering the channel as the very first ToT person at this day and he refused to stop it when I requested for it. He said to me: "idiot clans must be flamed and oG) is an idiot clan" (in german). After that a 3h flaming started where he made no single move to stop it and even supported it. When he "banned" strafe from the channel it was already in the very end after 2h or smth like this. So summed up he announced to ME before the clanwar that they gonna flame and show bad manner.
This is not acceptable and has nothing to do with strafe. Strafe is not listed in ESL-Team. We figured out a vocal agreement with ToT that strafe keeps away from future ESL clanwarz or ToT might get damage from it.

greets LoNiC
http://www.esl-europe.net/eu/scbw/sccl/season1/
gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2791 Posts
November 16 2005 19:21 GMT
#79
This is just pathetic.
This is a real good example of good manners in Korea.
b(O.o)p
Profile Joined November 2004
699 Posts
November 16 2005 20:03 GMT
#80
fair, sounds good to me...
the man known for his ANACONDA :)
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