Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia X

On April 23 2012 18:23 Dracolich70 wrote:
Hi, so the game got finally started.

I have read through the posts, and thus far we have this:

- Lynch could be good. It weeds out lurkers, whom must/can be scum".
- Being dunce is valid for targeting.
- A good discussion is good, it nearly got a scum on day 1 in another game.
- Yomi and Maju accusing each other.
- Zealous accusing Maju, which results in ArticFox and nreekay324 thinking Zealous is scummy.
- Dream stating the validity of good discussions, while he states he will not be around for deadlines.
- Those who post are less scummy.

It may because I am a rookie, but it all seems very muddy. And to me, people stating "In the last game..." makes me think that a person knowing the behaviorism of both parties can emulate either one, and as such manipulate to their fitting. And while being aggressive can get this party started, it makes me feel some eager to muddy up the place with "information" on the basis of accusing left and right. It it works, it must be based on luck, if you ask me.

I am okay with a d1 lynch, IF it is on the basis of valid information.

On April 24 2012 00:41 Dracolich70 wrote:
I am pretty sure I didn't say such a thing. I am pretty sure that was the direct opposite of what I said.

I am also pretty certain I have stated that I feel that a lot of people are just pointing fingers left and right for the most part, and seemingly this is going to continue. However, I am not going about be the front runner in a lynch mob, when I feel this way still, and joining in with the finger-pointing.

This being said, if you want something, then I think yomi is acting a bit weird to say the least. The only thing I think I agree with him on is the uncertainty of d1 lynches. For the most part he has responded with complete disinterest, and awkward behavior and responses, when responding. If it is something he does, when scum, or it's because he is one-dimensional, I do not know. Or even if it makes him scum.

Other than that I don't see a lot of substance.

On April 24 2012 01:24 Dracolich70 wrote:
The list was trying to draw a picture of how I feel the events thus far. Which is either guided by paranoia, or as a initiator for debate(?). I am not sure if this is the right way, as it can clutter the thread mightily quickly.

If you feel it is content less, then it is because most of the accusations are pretty weak. It was pretty much the highlights, as I see it.

I just said that knowing the behavior of either one, makes it easier to manipulate, and right now, I feel/fear some are trying to manipulate the course of actions with pointing fingers left and right.

On April 24 2012 01:24 Dracolich70 wrote:
I don't know if it is rocket science, but if we all take turns to point fingers at 2-3 in each of our posts, and they in turn do the same, it gets pretty muddied. Isn't saying "pointing too many accusations will muddy up the place" something logical? Sorry, it is to me.

I have still said I am okay with a lynch, however I am not a supporter of just lynching someone to make something happen. And as I stated - I am very open to valid information.

Is this the part where I should point fingers at you?

On April 24 2012 05:59 Dracolich70 wrote:
Or it could just be a list of things that happened as I saw it when I opened up the thread for the first time, and saw people were already at each other with very little substance in their hand to guide them.

The highlights are pretty accurate, I believe. Highlights don't muddy threads, but clearify. I bet mafia likes obfuscation, what do you think?

I find it problematic for instance that you hope for good discussions, and then you bark at every tree you can find, and trying to suggest what people should be posting to be of use to you. Is that in relation with you not being around on deadlines, and want to control events?

On April 24 2012 18:30 Dracolich70 wrote:
1) Maju:

Firstly he starts by offering both a question and a suggestion, "Should we lynch lurkers? I think we should." now that he has posted, it seems like a suspect way of trying to not let suspicion fall onto him, and reaching consensus, which he offers soon after. In fact stating it is more important that generating discussions. "Well the main purpose was to get a consensus on how things should be done, generating discussion is just another benefit."

Secondly he responds to Zealos offer, " He's right, no lynch = really bad.", with "I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia." (more on this below).

Thirdly when yomi votes for him, he immediately counter-accuses yomi, with this: "Yomi seems suspicious to me. He says he isn't sure about lynching someone then votes when no one else has. That makes it more likely someone will be lynched. Also, he gave no reasons as to why I should be lynched. This makes me think he's a mafia who just wants to get some townie lynched."

I see a problem with this on multiple levels. First off, he offers consensus as the most important thing, but doesn't register that yomi is willing to bow down for this very consensus if it is as such. He asks for reasonable things from yomi - things he himself does not offer in return, when it comes to st. Daniel for the weak reason of him asking for help in a newbie game, much like he even did before Daniel, and I am "dumbfounded" as to why he did this. Lastly, that on one hand he offers to Zealos that we should lynch someone, but then uses the exact same reasoning against yomi as suspect. If we should suspect yomi on these things, then it should be more so with Maju. At best Maju is hypocritical.

Soon after we find statements such as this: "Furthermore, you're pressuring people to lynch someone who you so far have proposed no case against and when many people have not yet posted. To me this hints at you being mafia as you just want to get someone who you know isn't mafia lynched as fast as possible.", "It is, I just wanted to get clarification on the source of Daniel's statement since it could help tell if dr3am is mafia.", "I just meant he might be mafia or he might be a detective or medic or something."(concerning lurkers, something he doesn't consider is on yomis mind), ": I realise I may have phrased that poorly earlier", "Yeah, I realise now that I didn't really think that through."

Maybe the best answers can be found here: "Yes, I guess I was posting defensively. I did this not because I was mafia, but because yomi's was the first vote, and Zealos, one of the only others who had posted at that point, was accusing me of being scummy. I was fearful that yomi's ideas may gain traction early on so I was trying to highlight that your vote had no substance.". Why would he be fearful 1) as a townie. 2) That yomis near no-reason posts would gain traction?

On April 24 2012 18:30 Dracolich70 wrote:
2) Yomi.

I am conflicted on yomi. On one hand he offers some of the same fears that I have with not giving away too much information, when it comes to roles, but more importantly it was this that caught my immediate attention on him: " it makes perfect sense if you don't play like maniac day1 townies who read way too much into things. there's nothing contradictory or unusual about what I said.", which is something I myself have tried to avoid, and thought was happening right off the bat.

The bad things are that like Maju, he is of little use at best, if he doesn't aid town in some way. He is constantly evasive, and reluctant to answer questions directly, ie "Can everyone post how many games they've played in (on this or other sites) and what they were in those other games (if it's just a few). And links to the games.", and him under the belief that day 1 doesn't provide any useful information/reading options. To it seems like he doesn't really care, if we catch scum or not.

And for the most part, we see him not willing to offer anything, on the contrary. I am not sure if I should put too much into him playing this way as scum, but it can't be a positive thing.