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Obvious is that no-one should randomly throw PoP's around yet due to their one-time usage nature. Wbg brings up many good points. We should concentrate on locating the evil toys and co-operate to get them soaked by flames. Not really sure what to make of BM's claim either. I hear it's typical of him, but in all honesty, I don't give a flying fuck about meta. I'd like him to confirm if his supposed check works on the slot where he left from also, as I think that remained slightly unclear. | ||
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On April 02 2012 02:20 cascades wrote: So, for example ##pull: palmar Palmar should move from p19->p20 Simple roleclaim check. Also option of letting palmar get item still available. Personally, I view letting him get item as last resort. Not the best use of PoPs, but better than nothing. What's with the hasty need to use a PoP on Palmar just to confirm his roleclaim? Especially since you helped him towards the item (or the lethal spots), when you yourself said that you do not want him to get the item unless as a last resort. I don't like this at all, looks to me that you're trying to get away without responsibility for your PoP's. I don't think we were in that much of a need to confirm roleclaim, I am fairly sure we would've got it found out pretty soon anyway, for a more valid reason than yours. Thus, why are you dodging responsibility for your PoP's? About a possible secondary voting system: I am not in favour of this. If the majority decides so however, I will try to be a teamworker as much as I can, provided the reasoning is good. | ||
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On the other hand, I'm not convinced at all that Palmar would be playing with a town motive in mind. He claims cascades is town, with absolutely no arguments for it. He also reacts surprisingly when he heard that Tobon had correctly assumed his other ability, even though it was based on last game. What's important here is Palmar's reaction. He's very keen on getting to know right away that how someone found it out, which doesn't ring any good bells with me. As for the moment, I am still saving my PoP's for later. I'm still not in favour of Palmar getting the item. I am somewhat okay with the bluelightz pushes for the moment, but I'll wait and see how things go on until I decide my own action. I also would like the veterans pay more attention to the newer players instead of constantly trying to metagame each other. How about just actually trying to win the game by playing it instead of going for metaguessing? @ Palmar: Care to confirm that your ability is one-time use only? | ||
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On April 02 2012 22:27 risk.nuke wrote: I'm okey with killing layabout or bluelights. I'm using my abillity today and can't PoP. I am fairly sure I know your ability. Could you tell me if it will work on your spot as well? I suggest you don't reveal at what point you decide to activate it. | ||
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This if of course assuming that I am correct about his role. I would also like to remind you that there can be Evil Toys that show up as Good. From DF1 for example: + Show Spoiler + Welcome to Death Factory Mafia! You are the insidious Merciless Toy! You are a bad, Bad Toy. A nasty little bugger you are. You appear to be a Good Toy to any detecting toys. You also get TWO PoP actions per day. You win by eliminating all the Good Toys or out numbering them at the end of the day. Your allies are (). Good luck! For the love of god, please think twice before using your PoP's. I'm starting to get seriously pissed off with everyone claiming back and forth and pretty much wasting their PoPs for nothing. | ||
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On April 03 2012 02:00 Palmar wrote: don't push people you think are scum towards my end unless you're sure I can get out of there. Yeah, my power is public. I type a command in the thread to do it, at latest 3hours before the deadline. I will use it if I'm about to die 3-4 hours before the deadline. Let's just kill wiggles I think. You refused to answer my question. Is your reversal one-time use only as I suspect it to be, or do you have a reason to hide that information? | ||
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I am still against Palmar getting the item, and fine leaving him where he is now, as he is still totally ignoring me. | ||
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Also layabout, pushing someone to the first lethal spot is not that likely to ensure a kill imo.., and remember that if Palmar decides to reverse the queue, then things will change around quite a bit. Snarfs brings up a good point, it could be smart to wait for risk's claim before using more actions, just in case. As Tobon already managed to somewhat waste his push for example. | ||
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It seems to me that certain suggestions are going through way too easily. >_> Also, I will threaten to push Palmar over the edge if someone pushes him to the item. I do not trust him at all currently, and if he doesn't even bother responding to me, I'm fine by killing him. | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:08 Snarfs wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 02:56 Cephiro wrote: Sigh. What is it with you people being so insanely obsessed with Palmar getting that item? Are you just living in a fairytale where everything that happens is the best case scenario, Palmar is innocent as a bird, gets a dayvig item, shoots a scum and everyone is happy? It seems to me that certain suggestions are going through way too easily. >_> Also, I will threaten to push Palmar over the edge if someone pushes him to the item. I do not trust him at all currently, and if he doesn't even bother responding to me, I'm fine by killing him. We need to resolve something. I think Palmar could have reasons both as town and scum for hiding whether his ability is one-shot or not. I agree with what VE was saying about being able to judge Palmar's use of any item as pro-town or not. He is held to a certain standard that basically says if you misuse whatever item you get, you're scum. He knows this too. One thing we do need to know though, is if Palmar is going to use his ability today. We can't wait until 3-4 hours before deadline to know because people need to start getting who they believe are scum into position to burn. If he is going to use his ability we've already wasted a few pushes on Blue/cascades. It'd be nice not to waste anymore. Sure, he might have a reason as either alignment to hide that information. But why can't he admit that he doesn't want to then? He's clearly avoiding contact with other players to his best extent. I know that we are able to judge stuff depending on how he decides to use the item if he gets it, but there are certain possibilities that could be easy to fake as well. His play so far has been "Let me get the item" "Random person is town for no reason", and "Lets kill person X". He is certainly not pro-town in my eyes, and for now I will stand by my word. If someone pushes him to the item, I will try to get him over the edge and thus kill him. I do agree that too many persons already have been wasting their PoPs, and the remaining ones should be used carefully. | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:13 Bill Murray wrote: If Palmar uses his ability, I'm pushing Cephiro just sayin' You go ahead and do that, if you want to get the town in an even worse position. Just sayin'. | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:24 Tobon wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 03:16 Cephiro wrote: You go ahead and do that, if you want to get the town in an even worse position. Just sayin'. If the queue is flipped, then a push moves you further away from the fire zone. I thought that was an expression of support from BM, not a threat... BM seems somewhat confused though, so who knows. :-) Oh wait, you are right. I just checked how the reversing mechanic worked in the last game. I misunderstood the mechanic of the queue flip. My apologies for my hostile tone if that's what you meant BM. | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:32 layabout wrote: cephiro, why are you opposed to getting things done? Palmar is too close to the item to back out now. Since nobody has said they are pushing him because they want him to die, pushing him over the edge would simply be you deciding to act against the towns wishes. If Palmar were to flip town do you think that we would let you live after pushing him? Besides the longer we leave Palmar in the incineration zone the longer we do not know whether he will decide to flip or not (if he does have that ability), and the longer we do not know where to push our lynch candidate. I think we should be lynching Nemesis. Why kill Wiggles? I am not opposed to get things done. I do not agree that Palmar is "too close to the item to back out now." It's not like if a few persons start a certain way of action that the rest have to fulfill it, even if they disagree. I know that if I pushed Palmar over the edge and he were to flip Town that I would look bad, and probably be on the line to get killed myself by other townies. I am however willing to take the responsibility of the worst-case scenario, since at the moment Palmar is one of the persons that I trust the least. If I had to pick 5 scum now, he'd fit in the list. But that is just my opinion. As for your lynch suggestions, I'm not particularly in favour of either Nemesis or Wiggles, even though they are certainly not the best looking players out there. I'd much rather go for cascades as the "lynch". | ||
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Are you just that much of a bad townie that you have to rely on the chance that Palmar is town, and let him win the game for you? I just can't comprehend this. You haven't even tried doing anything else but talk about Palmar all game long, except for a "lets kill mrzentor" as your first post. And you expect someone to listen to you? | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:47 layabout wrote: @cephiro The thing is that Palmar has given us next to nothing to indicate one alignment over the other and killing him because you "do not trust him" is not justifiable. I am not suggesting we lynch wiggles, but i would like to know why VE and Palmar have suggested that. what has cascades done to make you want to lynch him? You have a very good reasoning for your point of view. My alignment-read on him is however is much more tipped to the scummy side than town based on his actions thus far. I understand your point why you may feel it's not justifiable, but is granting him an item, possibly even something that could give the scum more KP any more justified? I don't think it's worth it just for the reason of "Based on how he uses the item he claims we can get a better read on him". As for why I do not like cascades's play so far: On April 02 2012 02:20 cascades wrote: So, for example ##pull: palmar Palmar should move from p19->p20 Simple roleclaim check. Also option of letting palmar get item still available. Personally, I view letting him get item as last resort. Not the best use of PoPs, but better than nothing. He is one of the first to use a PoP, just to "check his roleclaim". And his action gets Palmar closer to the item, when he says himself that he doesn't want it to happen unless as a last resort, and excuses it by "having the option of doing it if others want to." This looks like a very clear avoidance of responsibility, just trying to get your PoP wasted quickly and not having to worry about how to use it in a better way later. On April 02 2012 19:51 cascades wrote: By my rolecheck, I established that palmar should be mirror toy . I didn't mention it, but by extension, he must have additional powers, else he be just a gimmicky VT. The fact that he hasn't said anything despite being pushed closer and closer indicates he is either afk or has confidence in his power. He then adds another reasoning that he just "didn't mention", trying to make up for his poor reasoning for the earlier vote. Anyone that started this game should have been smart enough to check up on some of the roles that were used on DF1, and thus he could've fairly surely assumed he has additional powers. However, his PoP does not prove this in any way or another, which just proves my point of his poor comeback claim. Looks to me that he's just simply posting filler and fluff and doing nothing useful, I'd be glad to see him go. | ||
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I am willing to use a pull on either sbrubbles or syllo. | ||
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