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Gossemerr
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On March 22 2012 13:43 BlueyD wrote: Hey, I'm BlueyD and this is my first game of Mafia ever, but I've read a few here on TL and I think I have a good feel for how this works. This said, it's been 3 hours since we've gotten our roles, and no one has spoken yet. I'd like to see everyone at least post to confirm activity. Whoever doesn't start posting is already suspicious at worst, and useless at best. We don't want any mafia hiding among the lurkers. I'll personally support lynching an inactive unless something pretty big happens. Good luck to all, and may the most able survive! Three hours is not cause for alarm at the start of the game ha. Lets get this rolling. ##Vote: Mementoss Only because you outplayed us so hard last game. Prove you are town this time! | ||
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Gossemerr
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On March 22 2012 23:44 BlueyD wrote: Ack! Pushed enter by accident. EBWOP. On Gossemer's early vote for Mementoss: He was quick to accuse someone in SNMMVIII as well, where he played town. I think it's just a townie move to get discussions going. AND, I was right (and so was Nova)! But sadly, we didn't keep pushing ha. If we are going to lynch a lurker lets put some pressure now and not waste time. So far Ninja4ever and Rise Of Fenix of yet to post anything really; however, Ninja did say he was going to post later. On March 22 2012 14:14 Rise Of Fenix wrote: well, you posting first probably eludes you being mafia and drawing unneeded attention to yourself. That is not to say that this could be a fake out, but I am inclined to believe you are town. Who else would like to speak up? On March 22 2012 22:20 Ninja4ever. wrote: I'm at school right now and might go to a party directly after, at worst I'll catch up and post my thoughts some hours before the dead line. Have fun guys, let the town prevail ! On March 22 2012 22:50 Ninja4ever. wrote: Well, seeing as it is day one and anyone could be lynched based purely on activity, I'll try my best to post my thoughts somewhere during the next few hours. ##Unvote: Mementoss ##Vote: Rise Of Fenix I don't understand his only post. He contradicts himself by saving that BlueyD was probably mafia, but thinks he is town in the next sentence? Suspicious to me. | ||
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Gossemerr
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On March 23 2012 05:24 Rise Of Fenix wrote: Day one lynching is always a solid plan to move foreward, but no real tells are showing thus far. I will likely post my thoughts about 1 hour before the deadline. But not lynching anyone only benefits the scum. Waiting untill only an hour before the deadline to post your thoughts is a bad idea. Not all of us are on the same time zone. Try a few hours at least. I mean the deadline is not for another ~1.25 days. | ||
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Gossemerr
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On March 23 2012 06:16 michaelthe wrote: I know it is hard to contribute on Day1 in a newbie game, but again, the only way to force... is to force it... Post anything of value to this game of mafia. Even a weak thought about who looks suspicious, who doesn't, if you think we should day1 lynch etc. Posts that say nothing "HI GUYS" are equal to not posting in my book. As are posts simply agreeing with another post. Try and post some original thought, regardless of how weak it is. I've made a spreadsheet with posts and ranked posts according to a day1-content scale I made. These are the three lowest people: 1)sc2system 2)Ninja4ever 3)Froggynoddy You all have posts, but not enough substance! ULTIMATUM: Post something of value within 8 hours or you are getting my vote! How in the world is Fenix not number one on this list? | ||
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Gossemerr
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On March 22 2012 18:41 sc2system wrote: I love playing games like this becuase I find it funny how you can counter every logic and you can confuse people. The hell? I just noticed this, why the hell would you want to confuse people? ...Unless you are a scum? Anyway, not going to vote for Seviro or Artanis at this point. Need more information to make a better judgement. But, the case on Seviro is weak and Artanis seems scummy. @ Everyone. I have to leave in 30 minutes and then I will be gone for the day. So is it going to be sc2system or Fenix? sc2system feels like the safer bet to me. Scummy post that I point out above, and then hardcore lurker basically since. | ||
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sc2system is the most scummy candidate in my opinion that we currently have. There are a few other cases out there on him so I won't rehash those. However, this response to when I asked: On March 24 2012 05:30 Gossemerr wrote: The hell? I just noticed this, why the hell would you want to confuse people? ...Unless you are a scum? Anyway, not going to vote for Seviro or Artanis at this point. Need more information to make a better judgement. But, the case on Seviro is weak and Artanis seems scummy. @ Everyone. I have to leave in 30 minutes and then I will be gone for the day. So is it going to be sc2system or Fenix? sc2system feels like the safer bet to me. Scummy post that I point out above, and then hardcore lurker basically since. does not make any sense to me. On March 24 2012 05:58 sc2system wrote: And I did write that I like to confuse people but that is only when they use invalid arguments that ruin the game. For example if we all vote on X becuase Y was killed by the mafia and Y accused X the previous day. This is an invalid argument so this is when I like to inverse the logic and I say: What if the mafia wanted us to think that and they get a double kill, or what if they knew that we knew that and they just did the first step. Confused? Good. And this only works with invalid arguments. Hope that is all I wanted to say... I still don't know why you would want to confuse us townies.. Pointing out the someone's argument is wrong is one thing, but blatantly trying to confuse people reading the thread is pretty scummy. ##FoS: sc2system Moving on, Nova, you have quite a bit of posts... but nothing of use. I'm not going to quote them all here (look through his filter). This is a STARK difference from the last game. Concerning a bit to me. Hopefully over the next coupe days you will provide some big pro-town discussions. | ||
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Gossemerr
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Just checked the filters of everyone and noticed Gossemerr has posted almost no content either. First post was a joke vote on Mementoss, after that he's just gone after Rise of Fenix and sc2system as well. I'd like to see more content by him. Um okay? Im on a phone so this will short until tonight. What are you talking about? Read the thread in order. Who made the first case on fenix and the first vote. I also brought up some completely new evidence on sc2system. I can't look at your posts but the only "material that you have provided us with is a weak case on seviro. And a few REALLY scummy phrases. You seem really anxious to make others seem scummy. .. | ||
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Gossemerr
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Now for the stuff on me. On March 25 2012 07:23 BlueyD wrote: Gossemerr, you didn't actually have a case on Rise even though you dropped the first vote on him. Your reason for voting for him was a misunderstanding of what he said. He said I probably wasn't mafia in both sentences, but you misread him. So I'm not sure why you bring up being the first to call for Rise of Fenix when your logic was bad and when it turns out he was green, no less. Sigh. My original voting for him was to get him to talk, and we have already established that I misread the other part. I should not have used the word "case" in retrospect. Second part: do you not read the whole thread? I brought it up because: On March 25 2012 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just checked the filters of everyone and noticed Gossemerr has posted almost no content either. First post was a joke vote on Mementoss, after that he's just gone after Rise of Fenix and sc2system as well. I'd like to see more content by him. . Trying to say I did not and have not jumped on any bandwagon. Next, On March 25 2012 08:51 virtu wrote: As has been already mentioned, if we have a vig shot available then I suggest dropping it on sc2system. He has to die, but to waste a lynch on him when he could well just be a terrible town player would be depressing. Considering I personally have been more inactive than I'd have liked, checking through the filters, my posts are lager and more substantial than... ##FoS: Gossemerr Will post more analysis in a few hours as Grubby Naniwa is about to start, but if you check his filter there is alarmingly low content/quality of posts. He did start the RoF bandwagon rolling, however it was an obvious play to make, RoF's posting was obviously sub par, and what better way for a mafia to hide than to start a lynch on a weak townie? The rest of the posts are one liners, or are following other people's thoughts shortly after they've posted them, basically agreeing. As said will expand the case asap. Since when does the length of the posts mean you are more pro-town or less scummy if they are long? Longer posts just fill up the thread with clutter and can waste time. I'm not going to make a long drawn-out post if I do not have a solid case to back it up. Also, since when is stating some that is both true and obvious bad, if it has not been mentioned already. And seriously now look at your filter, but within the whole thread. Basically all you have posted is three little discussions on Fenix, sc2system, and ninja. The part about ninja is nothing at all, and you state this. As for the other two, they were already in debate way before you stepped in to add you two cents. As a matter of fact I have already talked about both of them. In conclusion, I don't see how I am suspicious at all, let alone enough to warrant a FoS. Anyways: @ the peeps asking the vig to shoot sc2system. I agree that he will probably be lynched if he does not step up his game, but let the vig decide based on his / her own decisions in my opinion. Either of you could easily be mafia wanting the shot wasted. Just my two cents. Also I would like to point this out this: On March 25 2012 08:51 virtu wrote: As has been already mentioned, if we have a vig shot available then I suggest dropping it on sc2system. He has to die, but to waste a lynch on him when he could well just be a terrible town player would be depressing. Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that our vig should shoot someone who is possibly not a mafia? You would ACTUALLY want to waste a mafia kill on a bad town player? I think sc2system is playing either bad scum or town right now, as my older posts suggest, but why does he HAVE to die right now? Maybe Day 2 he will actually contribute. | ||
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On March 25 2012 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gossemerr opened in a joking way, then creates the RoF lynch train based on RoF's post making not much sense. This play I think is fine if he was town too though. Jumps from RoF to sc2system a bit too easily too after RoF was confirmed town. It also makes sense that one Mafia would want to start the bandwagons while the other two 'reluctantly' post to lynch him in the end so that the mafia aren't connected as much. This however is more of a general mafia argument then specifically for Gossemerr. Accuses sc2system again for playing dumb when it's become pretty apparent that he's just not a very good townie. Uses chainsaw argument when I accuse him which is a super scummy thing to do (if you don't know, a chainsaw argument is accusing the accuser rather than defending yourself). This is something Seviro used earlier too. It's true that he started the bandwagon on RoF. What I also find weird is that he first calls for sc2system to get killed, then doesn't want the vigilante to kill sc2system after all. Given he flipped town that does make Gossemerr less suspicious, but he said it so late that it was unlikely that any vigilante would still change their target so I'm not sure it matters too much. Reading over this again though I'd say Gossemerr is the weakest case of the three. To all of you out there, please analyze these three people well. To Seviro, michaelthe and Gossemerr; refute these points and analyze the others to make your case that you are indeed townie. The best way to defend yourself is to contribute. Given that I'm going to be the only one in this game you can trust, you'll know I'm not trying to redirect you onto players that aren't scum. Let's see if we can turn this around. I've got a lot of work I need to do today though so I can't guarantee I can react to any posts quickly. I think I pretty much explained all this already. I didn't use a "chainsaw argument," was just pointing out how you were attacking me and others without much evidence. Also per your definition, and considering that I did defend myself, I once again did not just accuse you. Next: On March 26 2012 03:10 michaelthe wrote: On Gossemerr: What really caught me off was him talking about the vig shot. Before and after the vig shot he thinks its a terrible idea. First, here is why its a good vig shot: 1) Artanis had a LOT of heat on him (at least in mind) due to a big mistake of calling someone a townie (which only Mafia could know). Artanis is now the most confirmed town we have. 2) sc2system was either a anti-town townie (useless posts, wanting to confuse ppl, etc.) or scum. A vig shot on him isn't bad in either case. A townie posting anti-town crap is useless. Even more useless if they get modkilled later for inactivity! Further more, it is particularly absurd that Goss would dislike this vig shot because Goss' ONLY attack has been agasint sc2system! Why would be pro-lynch on him and not pro-vig hit!? I think Goss thinks it's pro-town to frown upon a vig shot hitting a green, and therefore did. Everyone else was pretty much in consensus that it was a good vig shot. Conclusion I think this is terribly scummy from both Seviro and Goss. Seviro wanted his bad play buried, he ignored it mostly, and then defended it poorly. Goss made a big mistake of being the only person to go against the vig hit, despite making a case agasint the target! He went against the vig hit because he thinks it's pro-town to frown upon the vig accidently killing a green. Right now I would vote for either of these, I think they both made major mistakes. If I could vote twice, I would. I'm starting with Seviro because I think it's too his advantage to have more time past from his mistakes so he can bury them. Also, he has already tried, and failed, to cover up his bad play, Goss hasn't had a full chance to defend himself. ##Vote: Seviro So if I disagree that using the vig shot on someone who is maybe town (now confirmed), that is scummy to you? Don't see the reasoning there. And in my reasoning I said maybe he would have stepped up his game, who knows what could have been happening IRL. Also, I would not say that EVERYONE was in a consensus, only a few have any said anything about the vig shot being a good idea. I can see why Artansis would want to save his own ass, but we still wasted a potentially free mafia kill. Moving on, I never voted for sc2system so how would that indicate that I was pro-lynch? I really don't see how I made a "major mistake," by thinking the vig shot was not a good idea. I tried to post as soon as I got home as well, but it was already near the deadline. I really have a hard time following how thinking that the vig shot was bad is somehow making me seem scummy to you. Anyway, I'm going to analyze the thread and filters and post in a few hours. | ||
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Gossemerr
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Nova I DO agree with Mementoss, as I was the first to say that Nova was playing so differently than the last game. However, I kinda of have a feeling it's due to our last game, as mentioned before where he was slammed for his early pressure. BUT, I also feel like this is a terrible defense. Nova, you should not change your meta when its putting pressure on people and making them talk and contribute. Actually, if I remember correctly the people who actually were so critical of you in the last game were the scummies. Anyway, I am most suspicious of Nova atm, but like I said before nothing substantial. | ||
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I am seriously not going to continue to argue over nothing. Did you not read my last post? Btw your attitude is poor. I just posted on Nova, and Seviro: your case is not strong enough to warrant a vote from me. | ||
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##Vote: Nova_Terra He didn't even respond to Mem's post about his defense, or my little blurb for that matter. I need to read through to thread in order this evening to gather my thoughts a bit more on everyone else. | ||
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Seviro on Nova: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 23:19 Seviro wrote: If you're talking about ROS, at the time I voted on him he already had quite a lot of post, they were just not making any sense. And the Virtu vote was more like me pointing out that he said he would post his thought and that 22 hour later he had still not posted. At least by voting no-Lynch it is clear for everyone that they don'T have a clue yet as oppose that if they just didn't vote. See above. Of course it came off defensive, every single point were due to it being Day 1, these point were true for other people too as you mentionned after his post. And at this point, I was not feeling anyone was more scummy than another one since other than the lurker everyone had about the same activity and were just chit-chatting. At this point ROS was no more a lurker, he had all the time that he wanted to posting something that had some value but all we got was "I'll be better tomorrow".It's not like it was his only post. As said above, the vote on Virtu was mostly pointing out that he didn't post for 22 hour when he said he would. Ok, I didn'T say clearly "Yes I agree with you", but I added 2 quote that were strenghtening your case. What would I do that had I disagree?. Virtu's case was different since he did say he would come and post. I knoew it was coming so it was just kind of a reminder. What would I do with it? I mentioned why I did this little case on Mementoss and then I waited for Micalethe's answers. Maybe it did seems defensive and angry, but most of his point were based on false fact, saying me say something I didn'T and thing that I already answered so of course I got a little impatient. See above. Since the Artanis/Seviro case, every case I got on me were basically saying the same thing overall. Most of the point that are against me I defended them over and over again and it seems that no one notice since thehy keep coming back as if they were new. And I stand by the fact that micaelthe is needlessly discrediting others post by saying things like he did. (I don't know if you remember last game but you said yourself that it is a scum trait.) Since it seems that one of us will fall today, i'll put my vote on you and if something major happens, I might change. ##vote: Nova_Terra Nova on Seviro: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 19:21 Nova_Terra wrote: Seviro Some of the parts are spoilered at the end to save space. This post kinda came off weird to me. posts some stuff about last game, says how we shouldnt be inactive, and ends on kind of a weird note about pressuring lurkers but not lynching too fast. which is especially strange when later in the day he randomly votes for a lurker. This is one of the posts that i feel the weirdest about. he says that we should have some soft deadline which i had already stated and he agreed on, and then says we can discuss and that if someone has nobody they think is suspicious at all they can just vote No-Lynch no problem and then just switch it later when they feel like? Seems to me like hes encouraging sc2system-like behavior. really weird. Then he clears this up saying not to no-lynch, but I still don’t think that his point makes sense, its just encouraging people to say that they are undecided, then wait until last minute and flip with little explanation of their own. I don’t really think that seviro handled defending this case well.it came off very defensive and the end was just OMGUS. One thing I want to note is that he says pressuring is asking people to post thoughts and respond to questions, and lynching is voting them down. In his next few posts he just goes on about how rise of fenix is just probably bad in general, but it isn’t really helping anything. He doesn’t want to lynch him, but doesn’t really present any other option? Scummy. And then when RoF posts saying he will try to make it up he goes a bit weird. At this point it starts to go back to the thing about how he just wants to pressure lurkers and not lynch. Now hes just threatening him to post or die, which isn’t really wanting to “not lynch lurkers immediately” Lolwut? This is just…. Says lurkers should be pressured (which apparently means asking them directly for their opinion and not voting >Votes for lurker for no reason other than him not having been there for 22 hours That’s just contradicting and scummy. Then he switches between Virtu and RoF (also a lurker) In his next couple posts he just adds how system needs to be looked at. Oh, and then theres this which bugged me a bit After I post my case, the only thing I get from him is Hum, some good point there. No other thoughts on the case at all. Not really suspicious there, but to not share any thoughts on it at all? His thoughts on system were pretty much yeah hes probably bad townie but not sure if worth a lynch etc. Yeah, everyone knows hes suspicious. Mhm, compare this to No? you call a pressure play a play where you ask someone to post their opinion on a subject. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 03:04 Seviro wrote: Ok, so now, Mementoss: He was the first one to make a real case against Rise Of Fenix which really started the train rolling in my opinion. While Rise was doing a great job of sinking himself into bad and bad post, peolple started to look more into it after this case. He also was the first one to point out sc2system lurkerness.These two people had already been mentionned beforehand, respectively by Gossemer and Ninja4ever. My point is, not that it mean anything since it was the same for a lot of people, his two main suspect flipped town which is worth pointing out I think. Now, this is not scummy in itself but I also saw a little inconsistency in his posting. In his first post he states: + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 20:41 Mementoss wrote: Therefore, I say we lynch a lurker/useless poster day 1, unless we have a significant scum slip. Why is this beneifical to us the town, even though there is a good chance it will be a townie? 1) Helps narrow down the field for scum hunting later 2) Keeps the active ratio higher for discussion 3) Attempts to keep replacements out of the game, which are always difficult to read and deal with as one persons scum meta =/= the other persons. . Then, later he is the one who notice the slip of artanis + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 01:43 Mementoss wrote: Note the bolded/underlined, its both because its a very big mistake. A very big scum slip. Why is it such a huge deal? Because we have no clue if Nova_Terra is town. AT ALL. Here are the possibilities: 1) He is scum, he knows peoples roles, therefore he knows Nova_Terra is town. Slipped it by mistake. 2) He is scum, Nova_Terra is scum, he is quick to give the idea to the rest that Nova is confirmed town, when there is no proof behind it. Just saying it because Nova is active. 3) He is town, bad town play, making assumptions that lead to town not exploring all the possibilities, getting tunnelled away from someone (See me as mafia SNMM VIII) Dat scum slip If we follow his reasoning, At this point Artanis had 66% chance of being a scum but even then he didn't put a vote even after: He point out the slip, don't believe the defense, have stated in his first post that he would vote a lurker/useless poster unless a scum slip like this happened, be even then he doesn't put his vote on him once. Now, since Artanis is a confirmed townie now (unless a counter claim but at this point I doubt it), it is not inherently scummy but these littles inconsistencies are worth mentionning if we want to scum hunt effectively. My main suspect now is Micaelthe: Here is Froggy post about his early game so I won't have to repeat it. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 10:07 froggynoddy wrote: Wow. Michaelthe, I'm not sure if you are bad town or bad scum. Regardless, you seem pretty bad. You're first post states (after day 1) that you are for lurker lynch: You're second post has no content: Your third point is some very weak finger pointing: There is pretty much nothing to go by. Your content is zilch, you are putting suspicion on people who have more content than you; I have argued that forcing lurkers to post is beneficial to town, more convincingly than you have (as has seviro and to a certain extent Nova_Terra), yet you put a really weak case forward against three posters. I'm not voting for you YET but you seriously need to shape up. Accusing players who have posted content in day 1 seems scummy to me as there is so little to go by. Make a better case dude. (for all three of us) I want to add on his ultimatum thingie. + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 07:19 michaelthe wrote: Actually, completely by accident. He should be below sc2system and ninja, but above froggy. I was tracking posts by quality and page by assigning a value to each post from 0 (greeting, basic chatter), 1 (very basic, but maybe an opinion), 2 (basic thoughts), or 3 (solid attempt at analysis for day1). Best I could do for day1... I suspect filters and exact content will matter more on day 2 or 3+ The scores are as follows: sc2system: 0,0 (a few posts on day1 I lumpped I think) Ninja: 0,0 Froggy: 0,1,1 And, as you said and I missed: Fenix: 1,1 (Argentina) So I will add him to the list, I guess in fairness I will give him 8 hours from this post, so an extra 40 minutes or whatever  Revised list: 1. Sc2system 2. Ninja 3. Rise of Fenix 4. Froggy 2 thing I want to point out with this. First thing, 3 out of 4 on this list are now dead dead townies. Second, he post an Ultimatum than never happen: Which he emphasize as being an ultimatum. Then his first actual vote happen 23 hour after his ultimatum whereas he said an ultimatum of 8 hour more so that he vote for someone that is not on his list. Which lead me to talk about the "Feudian slip" as he calls it. He seems to insist a lot on this than needed, now that we already had ROS and sc2system under the radar he bring back a point that had been discuss hours before as if since ROS and sc2system where dead men walking at this stage if he could change day 1 lynch then day 2 and 3 would have been a big mess for the town. I'll point out also that he was not the first to vote for Artanis since my vote was still on him and most of his opinion were mostly reformulating. Then, at the end of the day he just follow the bandwagon as he see that Artanis won't get lynched. Sorry for the lenght of the post, longer than expected. He posts some seeming analysis on Mementoss and more importantly TheMichael but doesn’t really do anything with it. This is his first “real” case/important analysis. Most of his content has been defense or fluff. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 03:39 Seviro wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 03:10 michaelthe wrote: Initial Day 2 Thoughts At the end of day1, I reread the argument between Seviro and Artanis. While I was pretty sure Artanis was scum, I thought Seviro's reponse was absurd. I came to the conclusion that one of these two were most likely scum... Since Artanis is now mostly-confirmed, the attack on Seviro gained another look. On Seviro: (This is based heavily on his filter, pull it up if you want to see specific posts, this is already long enough without them all) First substantial post after initial wave of basic crap: He is suggesting a policy lynch based on not voting within an 8 hour deadline. The reason policy lynches are bad is because it removes analysis and focuses only on the policy. This one specifically means someone would be a lynch target simply for voting 4 hours from the deadline rather than 8. If you get scum to meet the deadline, the scum get a free town kill. Seviro's reponse to Artanis Attack. I was fairly certain Artanis was scum, after what I saw as a strong slip. But I think the vig claim was great (more on that later). I reread the Artanis / Servio post and thought Artanis' attack was simple (based on day1 stuffs..) but Serviro WAY overreacted with his defense. He went on to vote for Artanis in his defense, which is a TERRBIE move! FOUR minutes later he states a willingness to go after Fenix... After the Fenix train picks up some steam, he totally forgets about Artanis. Then he changes OFF Artanis and... onto Virtu, for not being active enough. His acusations are extremely fickle. He ends the day by jumping on the same train as everyone, Fenix. After Day1, he posts that he thinks sc2system is town. He has defended bad play of Fenix and SC2 as town. ONLY MAFIA KNOW WHO TOWNIES ARE! He discusses the virtu vote as “pressure”. A vote with nothing behind it, with no case, nothing. He doesn't at all revisit his Artanis vote here. His most recent posts finally address the Artanis vote, his reasoning is ABSURD: He says it wasn't a chainsaw defense, but then pretty much describes a chainsaw defense. We have all been discussing the initial Seviro/Artanis issue, I think Seviro would rather see it buried. + Show Spoiler + Initial Day 2 Thoughts At the end of day1, I reread the argument between Seviro and Artanis. While I was pretty sure Artanis was scum, I thought Seviro's reponse was absurd. I came to the conclusion that one of these two were most likely scum... Since Artanis is now mostly-confirmed, the attack on Seviro gained another look. That is purely WIFOM. It doesn't mean it at all, let's say a 8 or even a 6 hour dealine, you had 40-42 to come up with a vote at this point in the day you should have your opinion anyway. It is in no way final but this way we can have an organized town and we have actually enough time to discuss each vote. What are you talking about?. Literally all the EFFING day I've been DEFENDING Fenix in hope that he would come up with something useful, which didn'T happen. Virtu had promised us a post which was not there at the time, after he did post I switch my vote onto Fenix since his post were making less and less sense. You must be scum right? Just because I think something and it come down that I was right it doesn't mean anything. I did not accuse him rather than defending myself, I did defend myself then I accused him, this is werew the difference lies. If you have other question about this Artanis/Seviro thing feel free to ask. The main thing I noticed in his defense is really how defensive and angry he got. Scum traits. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 16:04 Seviro wrote: Inb4 OMG he said he was going to bed last post and he didn'T, SCUMSCUMSCUM, by heading to bed I meant getting of the computer and doing something else before actually going to bed. I planned to take a look at the thread just before sleeping but there was 2 post adressed to me so I responded to them while they were of actuality. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 14:34 michaelthe wrote: Re Seviro Attack You make two points about my ultimatum: 1) 3 out of the 4 people I posted as lurkers are now dead townies. 2) I didn't vote until 23 hours after my 8 hour ultimatum. Reponses: 1) two are dead because they are bad townines. This is the reason they were on the inactive list, this is the reason they were selected to die. The reason they are dead and on the list of inactives has the same root, this in no way makes their deaths have a causal relationship to my list. This should be completely easy to see by anyone. 2) My ultimatum was an attempt to force lurkers to post. All of them actually posted. Fenix spammed useless content, one said “I'm awake”, one said “Im drunk”. No one strictly failed, it was only mildly successful at making people post. On Artanis, you make two points: 1) I targest Artanis after we had two good targets to lynch 2) I was the second vote for Artanis, not the first I refute both of these points with one simple point: Artanis' slip was a major one. Artanis himself said so. Every Mafia guide says so. It ended up being a complete accident, but there was no way to tell this at the time. At the time, this was one of the strongest pieces of objective information we had. Your claims are terrible, they have no weight, I find them very artificial. There are a few people who have said “oops, that does look scummy”, but I have not with the above. My responses are simple, and straightforward to your meritless claims. I think you are artificially trying to make a case. About the 3 out of 4 thingie, of course this was purely WIFOM but I thought it was worth mentioning. And on the Ultimatum you did say So you are basically saying that "i'm drunk" and "i'm awake" are valuable for the town right? And for the "Feudian slip" as you like to call it I did bring it up because of the way you brought it back. You basically said everything Mementoss had already say in his post about it, but you write it in a way that make it look like you were the one to find it. And also, I forgot to mention that your answer about froggy's post that was asking you to give content was: You didn'T adress any of his claim. And on my point being weak, weightless and artificial I don't know if you saw my answer about your case on me, I countered every single point of yours without even trying and I did not say anything about your point being weak and weightless because it is useless to discredit other post the way you do it. So if you could stop with your arrogant attitude of "I'm right and I'm good, you're wrong and you suck" that would be beneficial for the town. And blueyD Yeah really. There is a difference between pointing out something and making a case on it. Anyway the goal of the small case on Mem was only to show that we need to not put him in the "almost confirmed townie" yet since on day 1 some people seemed to believe he was the most townie of us, which he may be but it is not a reason to not suspect him and to let him slip by. When you go through my filter, at least do it right : that is 3 more post where I defend him so if you claim something, don't only 1/4 post on it to make me look bad. And I did mention this defense twice because 2 people said that I jumped on the ROS train right away, which is false. Seriously, I don'T know if my english is so bad or you just can't read but i'm getting tired of repeating myself over and over again. Now I'm really going to bed. The endless irritation and defense doesn’t stop. Particularly here: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2012 16:04 Seviro wrote: Inb4 OMG he said he was going to bed last post and he didn'T, SCUMSCUMSCUM, by heading to bed I meant getting of the computer and doing something else before actually going to bed. I planned to take a look at the thread just before sleeping but there was 2 post adressed to me so I responded to them while they were of actuality. In the post he says that the other person is understanding badly, makes this Inb4 crap, says that themichael is arrogant etc and has a certain attitude (not saying themichael isn’t scummy, hope to post my thoughts on him relatively soon after this case) but its just rude, and seems OMGUS himself. That’s my analysis on seviro. ##Vote: Seviro I wish I could have analyzed a bit more, but I can see that I am running short on time and for times sake I’ll put this out as early as possible. I feel like IF they were scum buddies they would want to bring someone else into the mix, not heat up the cases between themselves - which would lead to them both possibly getting lynched. However, both of them do bring up michaelthe at separate times. Not really sure what to make of this, as I can't get a read of michael right now anyways. Anyhow, I don't really agree with Mem that is Seviro flips scum then that makes Nova suspicious. Right now Nova is suspicious to me based on his own merit. | ||
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
Right now I am probably going to switch my vote to Seviro, just waiting to see what happens. Nova seems to be trying to bring new information to the table, which I like. Seviro not so much, but this could be due to having to defend himself for a while. BUT, I just don't like how Seviro reacts to everyone who makes a case against him. He immediately switches the pressure to the person with the case against him and even votes for said person (Artanis then Nova if I remember correctly) which is really scummy to me. | ||
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
shit. In my post i meant to say that both seviro and nova are probably notSCUM. ha. | ||
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Gossemerr
United States195 Posts
I agree it seems like a last ditch effort by both. I can't tell if its a town or sum effort though. In our last game these too did the same exact thing. -___- | ||
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