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and ##vote: Acrofales He's mafia. Hodor told me. Just so. | ||
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Firstly, Acro was picked for a number of reasons and these are all important when looking at the reactions from him as well as from others: 1) He's a newbie 2) His very first post is very telling: He not only takes on a very defensive posting style ("Host didn't say I can't" and "self-deprecating - this is only idle speculation") but he then says we should just ignore WBG while also uselessly speculating about WBG's wincon. Add his newbie-ness with his defensive posting style and I figured he would probably overreact to people blind voting for him, especially early on. And I was right as this behavior can be seen across all his posts. This by itself (overreacting, being overly defensive) is a null tell when looked at just from the ens of "newbie" and doesn't say much about his alignment. What says MORE about alignment, however, is how some people have started to react in problematic ways around his posting. The one that stands out the most to me is Mattchew. He followed my vote for acro with his own vote, a way of creating pressure on a player that many players like to do and is often seen starting off games. However, while most townies deliver on the pressure, he never delivers. He merely posts a lot of one liners and looks like he's tunneling, posting ridiculous things like: On March 22 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote: explain to me why you are not scum. you have 90 minutes On March 22 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote: where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum which is basically this and would never result in pressure in the first place: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251919 He's obviously been active and in thread all day as can be seen by his frequent posting times (1:00-2:00-3:00 etc) and yet he has not commented on anything else aside from tunneling acro, even when the other stuff happening in thread is tied to acro or has been a reaction to acro's posting. Mattchew has literally added nothing to the discussion while looking like he's applying pressure. It's basically false pressure. Aside from him, I also found SLJ/sandroba's posting inadequate. He posts a throwaway accusation against lyter and then posts a useless threat about tunneling people who reference ASoIaF too much, which is completely detrimental to the game (ignore the references, hunt scum) and then finally misrepresents Greymist's obvious joke/bait statement about lynching WBG. Step it up please. Syllo/Sandro should be a strong townie team, especially since they have the luxury of having two people posting together. I expect more and we should all be keeping aware of their participation level. gumshoe's response to Acro's situation was also weird and problematic. His first suggestion to Acro was to role claim. Now, had that been towards a more experienced player I would have less problems with but since it's to a newbie, there was a decently high chance acro might have actually claimed (as can be seen in the recent games where there have been day one role claims). Newbieness? The rest of his posts seem to suggest so but I will be keeping tabs on him as the game goes on. For now ##unvote: acrofalas and a few questions to DoYouHas. Aside from him being defensive, is there anything else that makes you think Acro is mafia? What about mattchew's non-pressure? What do you think of greymist? and can you give me a list of the top three people you are suspicious/getting scum reads from? | ||
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On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote: then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales! This is semantics. While you didn't actually vote for him, you bluffed a vote and made it seem like you voted for him. The impression matters. You tried for pressure but then never followed up with real pressure. What kind of pressure will "prove you're not mafia" apply? None. | ||
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On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote: lol so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut? and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more. The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro What "scumslip" are you talking about? Do you mean gumshoe asking acro to roleclaim? How do you know/why do you think it's only a "scumslip" and not an actually scumslip? Why the quotation marks? Are you saying he was baiting with that statement? At the same time, there were tons of things to talk about. People responding to greymist for one (such as alderan's). On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote: over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry. But no, instead you try to somehow paint acro as mafia by comparing him to another newbie's play stye and saying "the other newbie isn't acting as defensive, that means since they aren't acting the same way, that acro is scummy!" How does that even make sense? How can you compare two player's play styles and then say see! scummy! -_- | ||
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On March 22 2012 17:12 SamuelLJackson wrote: Do you intend to keep not posting? Any thoughts on Oberyn yet? Risen you've yet to express a single opinion that in any way relates to the game Chaoser I don't like this point you brought up Does the highlighted section in any way have relate to his alignment? Weird and problematic? This reads like something a person who has to force cases would say. Moreover, do you think it's more likely for new scum or new town to make such a ridiculous role claim inquiry? You've posted some content, but it's a bit light in terms of actual accusations; even when you assert mattchew is fake tunnelling, you don't vote for him nor do you call him scum. You say people should be aware of how much we are posting and that you will be "keeping tabs on" gumshoe. Would you be up to lynching Oberyn today? /syllogism There's like 36+ hours left in the day cycle...there's still much discussion left to be had and so I don't see a need to place my vote just yet. I already gave some of my reads so it's pretty evident who I'm suspicious of. I don't use "scum" but it's pretty obvious from my language and posting that I think he's scummy. Would it make you feel better if I used the word scum? I really don't see the difference between my posting about how I find him suspicious and using the word scum. Show, not tell. Would using the "scummy" term instead of weird and problematic make you feel better? I'm pointing out that he chose to ask a newbie to role claim. That's "scummy" because there's a lot more chance that a newbie would ACTUALLY role claim to defend himself. Anyone asking for someone else to a role claim is scummy in my opinion, whether it's a newbie or not; They're going to get scum points on my excel sheet plain and simple. You can try to pass it off as a "newbie mistake" but even then it's too big a mistake to not deserve some kind of scrutiny. To brush over it and to say "this is just a new town, nothing to see here" is ridiculous. I really don't see your point here. It seems like you're being caught up over semantics and criticizing me over word usage when my posts already lay out what I think about people in a straight forward fashion. As for Oberyn, he's posted like two posts. He's also a new player. Right now he's just a lurker and I don't feel any particular need to lynch him if we were lynching right this minute. I am however ok with pressuring. Oberyn, what do you think about acro and gumshoe? What about mattchew? You've also hardly talked or shown who you think is scummy. You stated that Xatalos' use of interesting was sketchy. What do you think about him now? Who are your top three scummy players and why? | ||
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Firstly, it's taking greymist's post about wanting to lynch WBG out of context and misrepresenting it. It also has this paragraph which makes no sense: If you look through his filter here. GreYMist Filter. His continued posts are pretty worthless. He makes a few points like informing how a Mayor system works, shoots down a role-claim. Denying freepasses and punching Mattchews poor logic in the face. Whilst these are alright posts and by that I mean not straight out useless or fluff they aren't doing much to help town either. They are just the kind of replies someone was going to post and GreYMisT posted first. So in terms of "helpfull discussion" aka "lynch discussion" GreY still sits on a pretty solid nothing. Denying freepasses and arguing with mattchew's logic would fall under "helpful and lynch discussions". And greymist advocated lynching gumshoe so he's got a strong stance already and not just "sitting on a pretty solid nothing". And while you're leveling all this criticism at greymist, you yourself have not been doing much either. How is this worthless multiple paragraph post a case? It's just trash. On March 22 2012 09:24 risk.nuke wrote: just to clarify, my original vote for greymist was pressure and I want to lynch him now for other reasons. Where was the pressure?! You literally vote for him and then post one liners about wanting to kill gumshoe. What pressure was there?!?!?! ##vote: risk.nuke Nicholas' big post: I don't understand this post. First you say that risk.nuke has posted the most scummy post (which I agree) but then you say both him and gumshoe are scum buddies? When risk.nuke has been saying gumshoe is scum since the start of the game? You're totally misrepresenting their relationship especially given the fact that in that post, risk.nuke even uses red lettering for gumshoe...Are you saying he's halfheartedly bussing or something? Can you explain how you arrived at that conclusion? And then instead of voting for him, you keep your vote on gumshoe...if you think risk.nuke has the most scummy post, why not vote for HIM? and then you ask for a replacement in thread with a shitty reason...I remember Curu modkilled DrH when he did this in lotr and DrH had a much better reason than you...I doubt you're going to get replaced so I suggest you keep playing and respond to my questions. That or you're getting modkilled. Oberyn, I asked you some questions in my previous post, Can you please answer them? And to answer yours, obviously something that I thought was pushing scum agenda. Usually this means misrepresentation. (cough cough, risk.nuke, Nicholas) Right now he's still a null read to me, especially since he's started to contribute/post more. gumshoe, I'm confused. Can you explain why you're voting for layabout and not someone else? Wtf is, "he might be aggressive scum or reckless town but he's dangerous as scum so let's lynch". Why not just go find someone else that you think is more likely to be scum?! Finally, Risen destroyed page 19...please don't do post-by-post analysis anymore, especially if you're going to marathon post like that...condense your ideas into one or two big posts...else it's hard to read | ||
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I still don't see the "greymist wasn't joking". Curu posted that WBG is unlynchable and unkillable. What kind of "confusion" or "useless discussion" is greymist trying to start by making a statement that's obviously so out there that it could be written off as a joke straight up? This just looks like you're doubling down on this "greymist wasn't joking" angle aka misrepresenting. What do you think about nicholas? | ||
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also, my shift is starting so i probably wont be around till after 9 | ||
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On March 25 2012 14:18 Risen wrote: Here's my overwhelming evidence. I'm claiming openly in thread that I checked acro. He is scum. Two possibilties here. I'm lying, I'm scum, lynch me. I'm telling the truth, I'm not scum, lynch acro. Lynching acro obviously is the best option, but even the worst option here is pretty good for town. I'm lynched tonight and acro is lynched tomorrow. I don't think I can make it any simpler than that. I don't know if you're deliberately trying to oversimplify the situation or not but there is definitely NOT only two possibilities here. Your oversimplification of "there are only two possibilities" can be either you being stupid at best or you trying to mislead the town about mechanics at worst. And the reason for that is because this game is different from other games. From Curu's OP: Game Specifics This is a semi-open setup. All possible Town and Mafia roles are listed below. None of these roles are alignment specific (they may be Mafia or Town). Not all of these roles are guaranteed to be in the game but all roles in the game are guaranteed to be from this list. Who gets what role was generated by random.org. I used the first result that popped up, no changes. So truly random . So not only do we not know if you're actually a DT or not since we can't confirm your claim but in this game, we don't even know if a DT is a town role or not. Since the roles were distributed by random generator, it is very possible for there to be mafia DTs. In addition, there are possible millers and framers in this game so basing our lynch today solely on your supposed check is ridiculous. On March 25 2012 15:37 Risen wrote: Mods when I reach majority can we prematurely end the day? Will speed this game up. Asking for day to end early, regardless of situation, is equally ridiculous. Why would we want to lose precious time in which town could be having further discussion? Not to mention the fact that asking mods to "end the day early" on Day 2 is an empty gesture. Mods almost never end cycles early unless its late in the game and a majority of people ask for it. You should know this, you've been playing mafia for a while now if I remember correctly. I'm going to go reread your and acro's posts. There's no need to hurry here, we have 36+ hours left in the day. | ||
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On March 25 2012 22:58 Lyter wrote: I can get behind the part about acro being possibly framed, looking back over day 1 he got a lot of flak for his overly defensive start and I would hazard a guess that he would be pretty high on the priority list for a detective to check out, hence also high for a framer to frame. But a detective should know that too, and hence I don't believe a detective should ever go after someone that was as in the limelight as Acro was because said risk is much greater. Which kinda makes me lean onto Risen being scummy combined with how ridiculously focussed he is on his theory that doesn't actually make much sense at all considering it is no way certain that Acro flips opposite to Risen. this is such shitty logic...you're basically saying since your logic works like this, and someone didn't follow your logic, that they must be scum! On March 25 2012 23:39 Zealos wrote: Just saw this, confirms scum imo. I remember reading in the guide that no good detective would ever roleclaim, and I am willing to follow that logic through. um...what? How does that make sense? DT's roleclaim all the time. How else would they get their info out? | ||
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On March 26 2012 02:44 risk.nuke wrote: risen has been pretty stupid yeah, but he claimed cop so why the hell are you lynching him? cause cop doesn't meant town in this game. | ||
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