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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 22:09:31
March 13 2012 18:55 GMT
#1
So, there are a number of threads going around about recent studies scaring people into changing their health habits, including soda causing cancer. i came across this recent Harvard study saying bacon / red meat can increase your mortality rate. wanted to know the community's reaction to it. doesn't seem terribly surprising to me that red meat is bad for you, but the high percentage was rather interesting (two pieces of bacon increases mortality rate by 20%).

Here is the actual study:

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archinternmed.2011.2287

Background Red meat consumption has been associated with an increased risk of chronic diseases. However, its relationship with mortality remains uncertain.

Methods We prospectively observed 37 698 men from the Health Professionals Follow-up Study (1986-2008) and 83 644 women from the Nurses' Health Study (1980-2008) who were free of cardiovascular disease (CVD) and cancer at baseline. Diet was assessed by validated food frequency questionnaires and updated every 4 years.

Results We documented 23 926 deaths (including 5910 CVD and 9464 cancer deaths) during 2.96 million person-years of follow-up. After multivariate adjustment for major lifestyle and dietary risk factors, the pooled hazard ratio (HR) (95% CI) of total mortality for a 1-serving-per-day increase was 1.13 (1.07-1.20) for unprocessed red meat and 1.20 (1.15-1.24) for processed red meat. The corresponding HRs (95% CIs) were 1.18 (1.13-1.23) and 1.21 (1.13-1.31) for CVD mortality and 1.10 (1.06-1.14) and 1.16 (1.09-1.23) for cancer mortality. We estimated that substitutions of 1 serving per day of other foods (including fish, poultry, nuts, legumes, low-fat dairy, and whole grains) for 1 serving per day of red meat were associated with a 7% to 19% lower mortality risk. We also estimated that 9.3% of deaths in men and 7.6% in women in these cohorts could be prevented at the end of follow-up if all the individuals consumed fewer than 0.5 servings per day (approximately 42 g/d) of red meat.

Conclusions Red meat consumption is associated with an increased risk of total, CVD, and cancer mortality. Substitution of other healthy protein sources for red meat is associated with a lower mortality risk.

Here is a recent article discussing the study:


A major new study may put the final nail in the coffin, so to speak, of the "bacon with everything" food craze. Researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health examined data from more than 110,000 people and found that eating as little as two pieces of bacon or one hot dog a day upped their mortality rate by 20% over a 20-year period. A small, three-ounce serving of red meat a day (about the size of a deck of cards) increased mortality by 13%.

Consuming processed meat has long been linked to higher rates of cancer, heart disease, and diabetes. Dr. An Pan, lead author of the study, told the LA Times that before they crunched the numbers, his team of researchers assumed that only processed meat posed significant health risks. They were surprised by the final results: "Any red meat you eat contributes to the risk," said Pan.

The good news? The team found that swapping poultry or vegetarian protein options for processed or red meat made a big difference in outcomes. Eating a serving of nuts instead of red meat was associated with a 19% lower risk of mortality. Choosing poultry over red meat was linked with a 14% lower risk of dying.

"This study provides clear evidence that regular consumption of red meat, especially processed meat, contributes substantially to premature death," said senior researcher Frank Hu, PhD, in a statement. "On the other hand, choosing more healthful sources of protein in place of red meat can confer significant health benefits by reducing chronic disease morbidity and mortality."

Although Pan says that no amount of processed meat or red meat is good for you, he suggests that, "If you want to eat red meat, eat the unprocessed products, and reduce it to two or three servings a week." He told the Times he eats two to three servings of red meat a week and avoids all processed meat.

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/eating-processed-meat-red-meat-significantly-raises-risk-162800549.html

from another study from two years ago:


In a new study, researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) have found that eating processed meat, such as bacon, sausage or processed deli meats, was associated with a 42% higher risk of heart disease and a 19% higher risk of type 2 diabetes. In contrast, the researchers did not find any higher risk of heart disease or diabetes among individuals eating unprocessed red meat, such as from beef, pork, or lamb. This work is the first systematic review and meta-analysis of the worldwide evidence for how eating unprocessed red meat and processed meat relates to risk of cardiovascular diseases and diabetes.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2010-releases/processed-meats-unprocessed-heart-disease-diabetes.html

here is a criticism of the study:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/

untested, but suggested by forum-user:

On March 14 2012 04:16 Poffel wrote:
Luckily, you can counter the sideeffects of bacon with chocolate.


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Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
March 13 2012 18:56 GMT
#2
It is worth the risk...
Whatever happens, happens
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
March 13 2012 18:56 GMT
#3
Well really...should we be surprised?
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
March 13 2012 18:57 GMT
#4
Bacon industry needs to do more lobbying. This negativity is unacceptable.
cellblock
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden206 Posts
March 13 2012 18:57 GMT
#5
On March 14 2012 03:56 Son of Gnome wrote:
It is worth the risk...

Yeh, it is. I love bacon!
brain_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 18:59:20
March 13 2012 18:58 GMT
#6
alla them fancy Harvard "scienteests" can go shuv it. i aint givin up my triple bacon baconator with bacon just cuzza some fancy words on a page.
Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
March 13 2012 18:58 GMT
#7
I tried very hard to come up with a corny joke about bacon causing death. Maybe someone else will carry on my quest?
I looked in the mirror and saw biupilm69t
fatfail
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States386 Posts
March 13 2012 18:59 GMT
#8
I heard mad cow disease was related to cows being forced to eat meat. So maybe our society's love of meat has issues beyond simply human consumption?
Kong fan... <3 Stork <3 Jangbi <3 Yellow <3 Fantasy
BritWrangler
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom120 Posts
March 13 2012 18:59 GMT
#9
Of all the things to study, the negative effects of bacon would be bottom of my list!
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
March 13 2012 18:59 GMT
#10
"Choosing poultry over red meat was linked with a 14% lower risk of dying."

I think you may want to check your numbers there
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
Denis Lachance
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada162 Posts
March 13 2012 19:00 GMT
#11
On March 14 2012 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
A small, three-ounce serving of red meat a day (about the size of a deck of cards) increased mortality by 13%.


On March 14 2012 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:

The good news? The team found that swapping poultry or vegetarian protein options for processed or red meat made a big difference in outcomes. Eating a serving of nuts instead of red meat was associated with a 19% lower risk of mortality.



So as I understand it, eating nuts provides you with a -6% chance of mortality, ergo, immortality? (with increasing life mind you)

Better start eating more nuts.
Eppur si muove
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
March 13 2012 19:00 GMT
#12
Are you kidding me? How dare you challenge my freedom to get fat and die of heart disease?

I'm voting republican, you snob.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#13
On March 14 2012 03:59 OPL3SA2 wrote:
"Choosing poultry over red meat was linked with a 14% lower risk of dying."

I think you may want to check your numbers there

"eating as little as two pieces of bacon or one hot dog a day upped their mortality rate by 20% over a 20-year period."
Apom
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
France656 Posts
March 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#14
On March 14 2012 03:58 Maxd11 wrote:
I tried very hard to come up with a corny joke about bacon causing death. Maybe someone else will carry on my quest?

Stop trying to derail this thread. It must be brought bacon track.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
March 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#15
I eat Canadian bacon with breakfast 3-4 times a week. I cook it well and don't eat a whole lot. I think I'm fine.
ABagOfFritos
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
March 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#16
I can't be the only one who is seeing some serious bullshit here. The second half of this post is complete nonsense and the first half is just shaky.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
March 13 2012 19:02 GMT
#17
On March 14 2012 04:01 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 03:59 OPL3SA2 wrote:
"Choosing poultry over red meat was linked with a 14% lower risk of dying."

I think you may want to check your numbers there

"eating as little as two pieces of bacon or one hot dog a day upped their mortality rate by 20% over a 20-year period."


Glad I only that once a week tops. So I guess I am good then?
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
ABagOfFritos
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 19:03:38
March 13 2012 19:02 GMT
#18
On March 14 2012 04:00 Denis Lachance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
A small, three-ounce serving of red meat a day (about the size of a deck of cards) increased mortality by 13%.


Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:

The good news? The team found that swapping poultry or vegetarian protein options for processed or red meat made a big difference in outcomes. Eating a serving of nuts instead of red meat was associated with a 19% lower risk of mortality.



So as I understand it, eating nuts provides you with a -6% chance of mortality, ergo, immortality? (with increasing life mind you)

Better start eating more nuts.

Likely it's 19% of that 13%.
Denis Lachance
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 19:05:36
March 13 2012 19:03 GMT
#19
It's 13 - 19 where i'm comparing a small serving of red meat vs nuts.

Edit:

On March 14 2012 04:02 ABagOfFritos wrote:

Likely it's 19% of that 13%.


You're most likely right about that. I'm just pointing out the importances of clarifying the difference in between percentage points and percentage of actual value.
Eppur si muove
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
March 13 2012 19:05 GMT
#20
On March 14 2012 04:01 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 03:59 OPL3SA2 wrote:
"Choosing poultry over red meat was linked with a 14% lower risk of dying."

I think you may want to check your numbers there

"eating as little as two pieces of bacon or one hot dog a day upped their mortality rate by 20% over a 20-year period."


I was referring to the fact that everyone dies. Also, I don't know anyone who eats meat every single day of their lives. I'm not even sure if it's possible to eat a hot dog every day for 20 years, because you'd be dead in about 4 years from a bowel infarction or something
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