On February 25 2012 11:16 DoYouHas wrote:
Oh dear gum, I was just making fun of myself for my 1 action that set the dominoes falling that killed me and made slOosh look like scum.

I'm feeling pretty good about this game. Dreamflower/Qatol are quick to quell bad manner. I think you have gotten some of the kinks out of your posting style gumshoe. I now know what Alderan is capable of. Good mix of the new and semi-new. Hope this fills up fast.

Yeah, though I *intended* to essentially do the same thing with my day 1 vote, since I thought there was NO WAY that so many people would vote switch such last minute. I just didn't come out and say it in as many words. I was barely even called out on it except by the scum ironically.

All I know is, this game's gonna be better than last one. I don't see how it's possible for it to be worse, at least from my perspective

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 25 2012 02:45 GMT

#45

On February 25 2012 11:39 Alderan wrote:
My predictions of how this game is going to go.

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Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 25 2012 03:03 GMT

#51

On February 25 2012 11:50 DoYouHas wrote:
Yikes, it seems there is some bitterness coming out of that last game.

Not from me, I'm just laughing about that particular post that Matt made. But Alderan is right, coming directly off of a full game with each other, we don't really even need to read up on each other's styles.

Which actually makes me think of something. Will any of ya'll be intentionally trying out a different style like DYH was last game? If so, tell us now before we start so we don't lynch you because of it.

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 03:11 GMT

#107

Howdy ya'll! This will be my second game, my only previous game is here

As far as an artificial early deadline, I personally really like the idea. Obviously, if we absolutely NEED the extra time to come to a consensus we can take that time, but I really don't like the idea of last minute vote changes. They're almost always feeding off of emotion, not logical thinking, and that is just too easy for scum to direct to a mislynch I think.

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 03:18 GMT

#109

On February 26 2012 12:14 Chocolate wrote:
This is also my third game. (My first game was bad and my second was even worse so don't look at those lol, trying to play better this time).

I agree that the early deadline could be a good idea but I think we should still be aware of and responsive to any scummy play after the deadline. I don't want us to harm ourselves by trying to make a decision with 25% less information to work off. Our vote will probably end up being a lurker and I urge you all to change it away from him if he begins to contribute and makes good points after the initial "lynch".

Of course, I don't think anyone is suggesting that we give anyone a free pass after our early "deadline", but I still think that it's good to encourage people to think about their vote, and make what cases they can before the actual deadline happens. That way we aren't scrambling just to try to prevent a mislynch.

I'm interested that you assume we'd only be lynching a lurker on Day 1. Do you think that it's not possible to find enough scummy play on Day 1 to make a decent case against someone?

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 03:33 GMT

#114

On February 26 2012 12:26 NightFury wrote:
Greetings!

This is my first full game of mafia (excluding my temporary replacement into SNMMVII).

I agree with the soft early deadline concept, but I would like to add a bit more. A general consensus is nice to have and provide extra time for new information. But to dampen last minute switches, maybe we should impose a "lock in vote" within the last 30 - 60 minutes to the deadline. This gives everyone sufficient time to think and be confident in their choice and casually inform the rest that they are firm in their choice. Thoughts?

I don't know if that's really neccesary. That close to the deadline, people won't usually change vote unless either something major comes up or we were already headed toward a no lynch. It's possible, though. Thoughts, Chocolate/DYH/anyone else out there?

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 03:38 GMT

#116

Day 1 post says 4 scum

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 03:43 GMT

#119

The big thing that I could see as a benefit of a second layer of early deadline like NightFury is talking about is that if someone does change their vote, they really have to give a reason for it. It gets them talking more, which is ALWAYS a good thing.

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 03:47 GMT

#123

Gumshoe, what's your opinion on an early vote deadline?

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 03:59 GMT

#127

I suppose I'll go ahead and briefly address an issue that is often a problem, especially in these mini-games. That problem is players lurking. Not posting is anti-town behavior. Don't do it. Post. Don't just post a couple content-less sentences, either. Scum often will want to hide and post without actually saying anything worthwhile. If townies do the same thing, it can get hard to distinguish between the two. So post with good content. If you don't, chances are that you'll be high on our list to lynch Day 1 unless we can find an obvious scummy player.

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 04:01 GMT

#128

On February 26 2012 12:54 gumshoe wrote:
are we agreed on no no lynch?

Yeah, I'm down with that.

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 04:09 GMT

#131

It varies a bit day-to-day. In general, on weekdays I'll be on after around 6:00 PM EST, then on Thursday I'll get off after only an hour for the rest of the night. Fridays I won't get on until maybe 7-8:00 PM EST. Saturday I don't have anything, so I'll be on and off all day. Sunday varies a bit due to church activities. In general, I'll be on from 3:00 PM EST until 6:30 PM EST, then back on 9:00 PM EST.

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 04:13 GMT

#133

NightFury, what's your view on lynching lurkers vs. a slightly scummy looking player on Day 1?

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 04:34 GMT

#138

On February 26 2012 13:29 k2hd wrote:
I think I'm gonna agree with a 2 round early deadline system as suggested by NightFury, with perhaps a longer period before the 2nd deadline (30-60 minutes seems quite short to me, but this is my very first mafia game so I don't know how often vote changes backed by solid reasoning can occur within this time). I just think that having only one early deadline would discourage first time townies from changing votes past the deadline if they have legitimate reasons, for fear of being lynched for not following these "rules".

BassInSpace

(responding to bold) Very rarely, honestly. Or at least, that's what I've been told by vets of mafia. How do you feel about lynching lurkers?

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 04:47 GMT

#142

The thing about pressuring is it can get the person talking, and you can use what they say to determine more about them. Some scum might even break under the pressure. If you wait until you have a full case, all that it could potentially take is one long decent defense post, and you'll never hear from him again. Or, maybe they never post enough to make a decent case. Then you're stuck.

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 05:14 GMT

#150

On February 26 2012 13:57 Steveling wrote:
About this deadline thing I'm not too sure.
Sure it may help in the first day, but when we will have multiple cases and people posting defenses and whatnot from different timezones, I don't think it will be too practical.

That's basically why I'm more inclined to just have a single deadline. The point to me is just to prevent people from not thinking about their vote until close to the deadline. My fear with having a second deadline is that if someone doesn't do it, people will freak out about that and immediately call them scum or start looking with confirmation bias. I just think that could create some chaos in the town later on.

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 06:02 GMT

#153

I'm fine with 8-12 hours before.

Janaan

United States381 Posts

February 26 2012 10:05 GMT

#160

Statistics like that are not really as useful as you might think. The only way that they really could be useful are if we randomly lynched someone each day, which obviously doesn't happen. The fact is that we get new information from lynching. We get voting records and we get a flip that we can use to help find motivations behind people's votes. Not lynching on the first day puts us in a bad situation going into Day 2, since we're in basically the same position as Day 1, but with one less townie. You're focusing on how soon it will take to get to LYLO. The best way to not get there is not by working the numbers. The best way to not get there is to get people talking and find the information we need, so we can start lynching scum. Unless you are close to 100% sure that the vote target is a townie, no lynching really isn't a very pro town option.

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