• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:28
CEST 08:28
KST 15:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview9[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?25Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris46Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!15Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Speculation of future Wardii series Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Monday Nights Weeklies LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments 🏆 GTL Season 2 – StarCraft II Team League
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies
Brood War
General
No Rain in ASL20? ASL20 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Starcraft at lower levels TvP
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Is there English video for group selection for ASL [ASL20] Ro24 Group F [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Teeworlds - online game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 674 users

[H] ZvT Dealing with Nuke Harass

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
January 22 2012 17:53 GMT
#1
I've been playing really well against Terran lately, like 83% win rate at high diamond level. Yesterday I lost to the first Terran in a long time. The reason? Nukes.

It was in a point in the game where I was about to steam roll him, then he just started distracting the hell out of me with nukes. I was at first good about finding the red dot, evacuating my drones, and putting them back after. But it got to the point where he was nuking so much I felt like all I had time to do was look for red dots. Then he nuked my main so many times that my spawning pool and tech died. It was annoying as all hell! I was paralyzed and couldn't play the game because of nukes!

The problem is finding those damn ghosts. With DT harass, for example, you can always find the DT because he has to come out and kill something. But these fucking ghosts just hide in little nooks and crannies and it takes a real effort to find them and kill them. And then once you think they're gone, you leave an overseer and a few lings in the base just in case. But the first thing the Terran does is snipe the overseer before you have time to react. I almost feel like I need 2 overseers per base, and two groups of lings, one on each side. But that seems like an over-investment.

An idea I had after playing this game was that maybe I should have kept a separate small flock of mutas + an overseer with overlord speed in my base area. And used that group as a ghost kill-squad. Would that be a good way to handle the ghost harass? It seems better than lings because of the mobility between bases.

If that's a bad idea, are there any common tricks to dealing with this, or is it just an APM thing? (It did just feel like I couldn't keep up, so it might simply be that.)

Here is the replay.

Note: I realize my play was not optimal. I'm not interested in advice about the early game where I sort of fuck up with the hellions and had an insane surplus of gas. I know what I did wrong there. The fact is, at this level, if I would have handled that properly, I would have probably never even went into the late game with this guy. So the point is moot. I am only interested in advice about the nuke harass.

Thanks!
Isomer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States186 Posts
January 22 2012 19:06 GMT
#2
As Sean would say: "Just go fuckin kill him"

If you are about to steamroll him and he starts being cutesy with nukes, just attack him. He will be forced to use the nukes defensively, then he won't be harassing you with them, and you can keep macroing up. Every nuke/ghost he has is almost 2 tanks he doesn't have, so just go at him.
There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 19:39:46
January 22 2012 19:16 GMT
#3
Streaming my response + replay anaylsis right now: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/HardCorey

VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/hardcorey23/b/306260638 (starts at 3:30)

Consensus: You know what youre doing. You just got impatient at the end and could have won with careful broodlord control. Think about the ghosts like they are marine drops. This is sort of idea, deny the dropship you deny the drop. Mutalisks roaming with overseers can also help and youre idea of keeping an overseer and somelings with each base is almost perfect but maybe need a backup spore crawler.
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
January 22 2012 19:25 GMT
#4
Isomer "just go fucking kill him", while he is turtling with tanks and bunkers at home? Any tip on that?
one day.. i'll lose my mind
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 19:46:25
January 22 2012 19:41 GMT
#5
On January 23 2012 04:16 HardCorey wrote:
Streaming my response + replay anaylsis right now: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/HardCorey

VOD:

Consensus:


Just watched your analysis. Thanks man.

Yeah, seeing the game again on your stream with a clear head, it's pretty clear I just let the nuke harass distract and paralyze me way too much. If I would have just had the clarity of mind to get the broods earlier, I think it would have been gg.

Like you, I was also shocked when those queens survived! lol I wonder if they were just slightly out of range or something. (Edit: Yeah, in the outer ring, it wouldn't kill them. )

Anyway... Thanks again!
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
January 22 2012 21:09 GMT
#6
On January 23 2012 04:41 GWBuffalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 04:16 HardCorey wrote:
Streaming my response + replay anaylsis right now: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/HardCorey

VOD:

Consensus:


Just watched your analysis. Thanks man.

Yeah, seeing the game again on your stream with a clear head, it's pretty clear I just let the nuke harass distract and paralyze me way too much. If I would have just had the clarity of mind to get the broods earlier, I think it would have been gg.

Like you, I was also shocked when those queens survived! lol I wonder if they were just slightly out of range or something. (Edit: Yeah, in the outer ring, it wouldn't kill them. )

Anyway... Thanks again!



Glad it helped man! This is a new idea /show im trying out where I just spend a lot of time on the strategy forums answering people's questions through a stream.
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#47
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech60
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10322
Mind 348
Snow 259
Tasteless 241
yabsab 183
sSak 167
ggaemo 166
actioN 101
Aegong 41
Bale 7
[ Show more ]
Purpose 7
Icarus 6
League of Legends
C9.Mang0440
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv1590
Stewie2K666
Other Games
summit1g5900
shahzam747
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick581
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• OhrlRock 29
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1258
• Stunt391
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
4h 32m
Replay Cast
17h 32m
The PondCast
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 3h
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
Maestros of the Game
1d 10h
OSC
1d 20h
MaNa vs SHIN
SKillous vs ShoWTimE
Bunny vs TBD
Cham vs TBD
RSL Revival
2 days
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
Maestros of the Game
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
GuMiho vs Cham
ByuN vs TriGGeR
Cosmonarchy
3 days
TriGGeR vs YoungYakov
YoungYakov vs HonMonO
HonMonO vs TriGGeR
Maestros of the Game
3 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Bunny
Creator vs Zoun
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
Sisters' Call Cup
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.