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On December 04 2011 05:04 Incognito wrote: Wow that was fast. I'll update this later tonight once I finish my final and finalize the setup. No popcorn. That is considered spam in my book. Also I would prefer if you did not sign up for both games at once. I know they are small games, so you may very well have time to play in both, but it seems like small normal games are in quite high demand now. I am going to accept people who are not currently signed up for any game before those who are signed up for multiple games. Hi, any idea when this game will start? =) Too bad you didn't join the game. I only know 1 or 2 of the other players. | ||
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On December 04 2011 05:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You vanished for like a year duder  and I don't play in every game that pops up, only ones that twinkle my fancy. haha, yeah, it's been a really crazy year... lots going on. Glad to see that you're still active though! | ||
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My personal thoughts on the events that have transpired thus far: - Discussion of randomly generating a lynch target. ABSOLUTELY NOT! Even if each and every Town player agrees and draws a 'random' number, there's no way that the mafia will choose a 'random' number and allow one of their own to go down. This idea doesn't even make sense. - prplhz 'Blueclaiming'? When I read and re-read that post it seemed to me that his intention was to say that we shouldn't sit around and rely on Blues to win the game. So that in itself is not suspicious. We should note, however, that his intention is to make it clear that he's Town. - Zodiac lists: good or not? This shouldn't even be considered. 1) We don't know the alignment of the 'creator' of the list. 2) Mafia can purposely avoid the killing from the list and that will make Town point fingers and we'll be massacred day and night. - Lynch Mafia > Lynch Bad Town > No Lynch > Lynch Town Lurker > Lynch Good Town These are my quick thoughts from my first readthrough. I am going to do a more complete and finetuned read after the NASL finals are over. | ||
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Before this debate about Soap's post and vote on Drazerk turns into an easily manipulated bandwagon, I urge people to consider the following point: Soap had very little pressure being applied to him at the time. It wasn't as though he was the focus of an intense debate and then subsequently slipped up. As mafia, he had very little reason to post at that moment in time except to establish a first 'real' post. We should not conclude based on that post ALONE that he must be mafia. We can apply direct pressure to Soap and see how things develop. Soap: There have been plenty of topics discussed so far. Do some legwork and read through the game again. What we require from you are your opinions and ideas. Either comment on what was said thus far or pick a few players and tell us what you think of them. My suggestion? Tell me what you think about Risen and Refallen. | ||
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On December 06 2011 05:02 ElectricBlack wrote: yes, as I said, your claim is consistent. I still want all your notes btw. don't update them once you're home, just post them. WHO ARE YOU??? | ||
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I'll just post the beginning for now: Although he seemed really sincere about the whole situation, we don't even know if vaderseven actually had the power to kill Soap. I'm sure Incog or wbg would have resolved the issue if Soap had been killed. Palmar has been playing erratically but it's my opinion that he is either aiming to be lynched or that he wanted to force mistakes. Don't discount the possibility of a Village Idiot. Refer to Mafia XXXI where the VI was lynched on Day 1: TL Mafia XXXI | ||
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See you guys in a bit! | ||
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I read through the last 20 pages or so and I'm going to say that I'm not convinced on either of these two candidates, Hier or Palmar. My impression is that Palmar was attempting to apply pressure and bad things happened. It seems that vaderseven wanted to be a hero and win the game singlehandedly with his gun. Soap flips Red -> Lynch Palmar who would flip Red and vaderseven's name is recorded forever in TL Mafia history. Unfortunately, vaderseven's instincts aren't that great. The case against Hier is to lynch a non-contributing lurker to avoid a non-lynch scenario. I don't know if I can support that. Especially when I have such a strong mafia candidate. Here is my copy and paste from the text that I sent to myself from before: I hinted at it before but I haven't had a chance to post before now. Refallen is mafia. Let's examine his posting history: Refallen's Posts After discarding a few inconsequential posts we get to these: In this set of quotes Refallen asks other players to justify their votes without providing his own comments. The purpose is to redirect the focus onto other players while distracting the Town. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 23:33 Refallen wrote:hyshes why are you voting for syllogism? On December 05 2011 02:00 Refallen wrote:redFF why do you say Palmar is acting scummy? These next four excerpts are from the SAME post! + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: I thought this was weird by vader, wouldn't this be automatically assumed? Not sure what to make of this though, whether it leans him more to a powerrole/mafia or just nothing special. On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: I agree with redFF's analysis for the most part, and I especially found it weird that Palmar proposed the no-day lynch, which indicates him to be maybe scum. On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: You know, I find this post a bit weird. It sounds like you're trying to get people to vote Palmar... On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote: Right now I think Corrupt looks pretty scummy but he hasn't really had a chance to speak out and defend himself yet. Still, if day ends now I would vote him to be mafia. More of the same: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:43 Refallen wrote: Yes, what prplhz said about VE is what I was thinking as well. On December 05 2011 13:47 Refallen wrote: (Also I find it interesting that the other person who has called out Drazerk is VE, who I think to be slightly suspicious as well) On December 05 2011 14:30 Refallen wrote: I haven't been "jumping on easy votes" at all, I didn't agree with Palmar/Corrupt and said so, and I also laid out my reasoning why I thought Soap was scum. Obviously, I wasn't aware of prior metagame history which makes me think that he isn't so scummy anymore. How many people do you actually suspect, Refallen? Where is your analysis on these players? Why do you spend so much energy redirecting/distracting the Town? By the way, his reasoning as to why he believed that Soap was scum was that: On December 05 2011 13:35 Refallen wrote: I feel that that was a definite attempt to redirect/distract which seems scummy to me I see, Refallen... By your logic, are you not then mafia? He was one of only 2 people to vote for Soap. In fact, he jumped on that vote as though he needed an excuse to cast his vote. As soon he realized that no bandwagon would form, he needed a reason to retract his vote: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 23:11 Refallen wrote: Also, ##unvote, since from reading Soap's previous game he acted similarly and was town too. We now get to the present and from his more recent posts: Refallen's next few posts are directed at Palmar and vaderseven. He's joined the vote against Hier. My conclusion: Refallen is mafia and anyone he votes, I will not. | ||
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On December 06 2011 11:23 prplhz wrote: I don't think Refallen is scum and this is a weird time to try to get people to change to him, but ultimately it appears that it is more kingjames01 trying to justify that he's not voting Hier or something. That's the conclusion anyway. It's a weird time but this is the earliest that it could have came. I already hinted well before the vote on Hier began that I believed that Refallen needed to be watched. The majority of the post was written this afternoon and it doesn't matter how you perceive it. It needed to be said. | ||
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The problem with this lynch vote is that it gave mafia an excuse to cast their vote without having to provide a strong reason. "I voted to lynch Hier because we 'need to lynch' and he's the only guy that we had a chance to kill" is not a good reason. Now everyone who voted for him can use that. Not to mention that since we have so many votes against HIer, it's possible that not every mafia is included in this bandwagon. At least consider the following course of action: If you are town, switch your off Hier and vote someone else. If mafia really want to get a free kill, make them commit an extra vote and put themselves at risk. | ||
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On December 06 2011 12:46 Risen wrote: Two people have to switch off at this point. This is beyond retarded. Only if you really believe that Hier is Red and that mafia isn't actually trying to kill him. Who knows? If two people rescind their votes maybe we'll see you switch yours and decide Hier's fate. | ||
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Consider this: if I were mafia and this was an attempt to save a red, why would I be so vocal and tie my fate so intimately into saving someone that is very close to being lynched? If he gets lynched this day, then I'm next to go since I pushed so hard. if I am Town, then I don't know what Hier will flip if he dies. If he's Town, then I'll have saved one of our own. Mafia will be forced to decide between casting more votes against Hier or letting it go and I'll have been able to do something positive for town. If he's Red and I saved him, then I'm an ass but at least I'm being vocal about my position. I have put myself out there with this attempt and there will be more information that you can discuss about me when you see my flip. Hier is Town and Refallen is Red. | ||
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On December 06 2011 13:30 redFF wrote: There's no way your getting 13 votes on anyone at this stage. And there's no way we are not lynching. What do you hope to achieve with this lynch? | ||
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On December 06 2011 13:51 Risen wrote: Ah I see. Apparently my reading comprehension late at night is horrendous. Regardless, no one is getting off hier at this point with 10 minutes left. We'll have to wait and pray that mafia is riding one of their members who dropped out of the game. This is my hope too... | ||
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Over the next day, re-evaluate the game and decide if there are any players who have shown themselves to be definitively pro-town. Are there any players who seem pro-town but do not actually put themselves on the line for their opinions? Good luck Town, stay safe. | ||
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Refallen, I'm looking forward to a good defense. | ||
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On December 06 2011 19:48 Incognito wrote: Do not talk to or pick on dead people. Its not fair to attack them if they cannot respond. If you want to have a discussion, please save it for after the game. Especially since you're only doing it to justify your vote and attempt to wash your hands clean... The bandwagon on Hier was formed out of convenience with manipulation from mafia. Don't pretend that there was an actual good reason to carry it out. | ||
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