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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 02 2011 22:50 GMT
#7
##Signup
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 01:43 GMT
#78
I was curious about that too.

Really excited to get the game going though. glhf town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 03:20 GMT
#89
On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote:
For those of you playing your first game, hi!
There are a couple of things you may want to know.

Don't lie. As town, lying is almost never going to help, it'll probably just end up with you getting lynched.
Don't be too quick to mindlessly jump on every bandwagon. Keep an open mind and vote for someone you believe there is a strong case on, or if you want to start your own case, write some good analysis on who you think is scum. Don't be a sheep.
Try hard not to lurk, if townies are lurking it's a lot easier for scum to lurk with you. Just post whatever your thoughts are, let us know how you feel about X's post or Y's suspicious behavior.

Let's get some discussion going!

What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why?

Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high.

Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum.






Hi, I would agree with your view on both lynching liars and not lynching lurkers. Unfortunately in a Newbie game I would expect to have a decent amount of lurkers and from what I've found scum are more willing to participate a decent amount and the lurkers are generally bored townies.

The best way to help town is to remain active and always post your opinions/reads. if townies aren't posting it becomes extremely difficult to discover who is scum.

I agree that we should lynch all liars, if you are town simply don't lie; it may seem awesome to fakeclaim a role to try to trick mafia into roleblocking/attacking you but it will usually just result in chaos and distract the town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 04:17 GMT
#103
If we cannot agree on a solid lynch backed up with analysis that the town can agree on, then a lurker lynch is a good option since you are not risking lynching an active townie who is actually spending the time to read and analyze the game.

Just judging from the game i replaced in with no mafia modkills and a shit load of town, I'm inclined to believe that we may have some lurking townies in this game as well.

IF THE TOWN CANNOT AGREE ON A TARGET BASED ON ANALYSIS then I would agree that we need to lynch somebody who is lurking rather than an active townie, because the lurker will always remain a null read and an easy scapegoat for scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 04:27 GMT
#113
there is no option to no-lynch in this setup. Somebody is going to be lynched every day
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 17:18 GMT
#218
Hey guys, just woke up reading through thread now.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 18:17 GMT
#225
Blazinghand: he is my strongest town read right now because of his agressive play. For scum the more you post the more likely you are going to make a scumslip. So I would believe that hes is extremely likely to be town, and if not he will definately reveal his allignment over time( It's not like he can just start contributing less after the large amount of participation hes shown). I like that he is being agressive because it is the best way to force scumslips. However he is creating a dominating presence in the thread and i hope people post their own opinions and do not begin sheeping him.

Ey215: He took a post from blazinghand calling him a lurker and acted very defensively. I believe that this is a trait that would be found among Mafia or Town. (I mean nobody wants to get lynched ) I think he is someone who I should watch more but he is contributing so he should not be lynched today.

Velinath: I think Velinath is making a lot of sense right now and is another candidate that is very likely to be town. He seems to be actively scumhunting and was right when he said that ey215/Blazinghand should back off of each other for a bit and let other people post because tunneling on one person is not the best (especially since I think they're both town blazing a bit more sure than Ey215)

Xsksc : He is participating a fair amount to the thread an altering viewpoint to Blazinghand saying that he should give everyone a chance to post before voting and that it is unlikely that the lurkers would be scum. I'm not sure about his alignment but he is right that we are focusing way too much on lurkers. We should only be voting for lurkers if we cannot find a good case on an active player. (because even though it's unlikely that the lurker is scum he is not participating and will not help the game.)

Xtfftc: He is a null read for me. He has posted enough to avoid being lynched as a lurker, which is who the town has been pressuring so far. He has kind of tunneled on Ey215, but i don't see why he is mafia he just seems very defensive. I really don't understand why you would not lynch somebody for lying as we've made it clear that we don't want any townies to lie.

Tunkeg: I like how Tunkeg has been participating in the thread and his willingness to comment on every player rather than tunneling hard on somebody. It looks to me like you are really analyzing every players posts and that makes me think you are likely to be town.

Everybody else (unless I'm missing something) did not post a huge amount to the game and needs to start posting more. I would much prefer that our first lynch is based off of analysis so that we can see why people are voting the way that they are, but we have no choice other than to lynch a lurker if you do not become more active.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 18:43 GMT
#228
[QUOTE]On December 05 2011 01:49 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, read through the thread now. A few things:

[QUOTE]On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 04 2011 23:21 xtfftc wrote:
Tunkeg, I approve of the way you're pressuring but would you mind answering the questions you've been so happy to ask the others? Not just a summary of the thread activity but how this makes people more or less likely to be mafia. Who do you trust and who would you lynch?[/QUOTE]

Of course.

Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had:

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Alignment
For a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet.

Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going.

Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here.

Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum.

xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town )

xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities.

jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town.

ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand.

Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest.

BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though.

ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker.

Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet.

[b]Bbyte Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him.


[b]Trust and lynch

At this point I trust no one, I know to little yet.

For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. [/QUOTE]

Firstly, I'm honoured that you think I'm a veteran, but you're totally wrong. I'm not a veteran in any way shape or form. This is my second game, and my first game was XLVII, and we all know how that went

Secondly, while I've already addressed this point to Blazing, I want to emphasize this one a bit more, because I'm wondering about your methods considering the game situation.

It's been just over half a day in a game that suddenly started, and you already have a scumlist based on the fact that people haven't posted? Really? The day lasts 48 for a reason dude; time-zones exist, as does RL. I've already mentioned to Blazing that I have been out all day, and I didn't even know that the game had started until I came back home. I suspect that there are one or two others in the same boat. So actually wait for responses before instantly preparing the gallows.

While its awesome that you guys are getting the ball rolling, you have to remember that pushing easy targets this earlier is actually very anti-town. You're basing your actions on very limited information, if any, and you're also discouraging discussions, and instead forcing players to defend themselves as opposed to looking at evidence and discussing THAT with people. At no point is that a good idea. This goes especially to you Tunkeg, because right now it feels like you're playing the Serejai role from XLVII. Accusing everyone isn't going to help. In fact, it can easily get you ignored in the thread. Accusing people is fine, but do it within reason considering situations in the game.

I would actually agree with this. While i think that your'e activity and posting so far is pro-town, I really wish that we could start taking a look into the more active players; and stop focusing only on people who have not posted much yet. give the players time to read the thread and they will post. then we can start focusing on them but for now look at some active players. Obviously if a lurker does not make a sufficient amount of quality posts by the end of the day and there is no likely scum candidate then we will lynch him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 18:49 GMT
#229
lol i fucked up the quote but basically i just put in the last paragraph my feelings about what Hassybaby said that Tunkeg posted above.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 19:06 GMT
#231
On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote:
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On December 04 2011 21:39 Tunkeg wrote:

So are you trying to establish yourself as a boring townie by not posting anything or what?

Adam, a couple of questions for you:

What is your thoughts on Blazinghand's aggressiveness? How do you perceive him thus far? Is his play pro-town or anti-town?

Any thoughts on xsksc's play? Is he a key player in this game? If he is scum, what effect will that have on the game?


If my lack of posting thus far has crowned me as a boring townie, I guess it’s a mantle I’ll wear; I had a Sunday off and decided to go out drinking.

My thoughts on Blazinghands aggression so far is that I feel he is trying to generate discussion. However, I question whether he is trying too hard to establish himself as a townie by his badgering. This, coupled with his apparent buddy-buddy relationship with Velinath has me keeping a close eye on both of them as I find it strange that they are apparently “BFF’s” after only 12 hours of play. So to directly answer your question, Tunkeg, I find his behaviour suspicious and erring on the side of Anti-town. 5 separate votes in 12 hours is akin to spam and is just leading the town around in circles, rather than focusing on any one target.

Xsksc is someone I’m more familiar with after close examination of the Newbie Mini Mafia thread. So far he has begun discussion, scolded Blazinghands reckless aggression and defended himself well when called out. Is he a key player in the game? Not yet, but neither is anyone else. Is he pro-town? All signs are pointing towards yes. If he turns out to be mafia, id hope to think we can still catch him out and hang him even with his greater mafia experience over us.

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On December 04 2011 16:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Adam has correctly noted that there are no no-lynches in his sole post. Helpful, but not enormously so. Also, he's certainly awake since he's Australian. I'm gonna slap my vote on him and wait for him to contribute some more. Maybe he's eating or out or something, but hopefully this will get more than 1 post

Adam, I'd like to see you contributing to the discussion more. I'm heading to bed relatively soon, but when I wake up I hope to see a new post from you.

##Vote Adam4167

I don't necessarily think you're scum or that other people should vote for you, but you've only made one post, and that's simply not good enough.

Hurry up.


As previously stated, I went out drinking. And after I finish this post, I'm going to need at least 6 hours to sleep it off.

I feel that by flinging your vote in every direction, you have cheapened the weight of your vote when you eventually do decide to settle on a target. I also feel the need to point out again that you have had 5 separate votes in 12 hours, which is almost half of the players participating.

You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =).

This guy is most likely to be scum IMO.
He has not contributed at all to town, yet he is more than willing to discredit both blazinghand and Velinath. Both of these people are giving me very strong town vibes, and just because they have been acting closely with each other in no way makes them scum. In fact from what I've noticed is that people who are willing to outright make a connection with another player is usually town. (palmar/wbg in XLVII)

You need to start giving us reads and contribute to the town instead of discrediting the active townies.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 19:51 GMT
#235
@Ey215 I'd really like to hear some of your strong town reads and who you think is being anti-town. You've already shown your opinion on Blazinghand but I'd like to hear your opinions
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 20:05 GMT
#237
@Tunkeg: also since you're here. I am curious why you painted Ey215 town in your reads. He is somebody that I am unsure of right now and all you explained is that "his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand."
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 20:48 GMT
#245
On December 05 2011 05:43 Tunkeg wrote:
Blazinghand:
In most of your posts thus far you have either been pressuring others or responding to the response of players pressured. You have tried to get the lurkers to talk. Now, what is your view on those who have been doing a fair amount of posting?


Thank you for this! the town was getting way too focused on looking for people lurking to lynch instead of analyzing people.

That being said Electricblack/BroodkingEXE/BByte/Adam4167. you guys are all people who are lurking the thread and need to step up your game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 21:34 GMT
#248
The thing that really seemed suspicious about Ey215 to me was this.
On December 05 2011 04:49 ey215 wrote:
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On December 04 2011 21:14 xtfftc wrote:
On December 04 2011 12:52 xsksc wrote:
On December 04 2011 12:35 xtfftc wrote:
On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote:
What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why?

Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high.

Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum.

Both sound great but in reality they don't work. Lynch All Liars.. People get lies and opinions mixed up all the time, and even when a lie is a lie, eventually you realise that there are different types of lies and lynching for some of them is a bit too much. Then comes the argument that if we lynch everyone caught in a lie, townies would stop lying, so we would not have to deal with all of this. But the reality is that you lynch a townie for lying, then you lose the game because of wasting a lynch in order to teach the liars a lesson, then you join another game and you realise that there's so many other players you have to teach that same lesson, and so on. If we start doing it in every single game, it might work after a while. But when you've invested a week in the game, you don't want to throw it away just because some townie attempted a stupid gamble. All you are focused on is lynching mafia.

And townies tend to get lynched for lying all the time anyway, even without having the policy in place - simply becase when someone is caught lying, they are usually accused of being mafia.

Agreeing upon whether someone is lukring or not is easier but simply lynching all lurkers is not optimal. What's important is that people realise that sometimes every active player is a townie. If your analysis leads you to the conclussion that the active players are townies, then you start lynching lurkers. That's the best we can do.


I don't understand your part about lynch all liars. Think about it logically, if we say, "Lie and you're gonna get lynched" then no townie is going to lie, are they? It's not just to teach a lesson, scum benefit greatly from lies and deceit. I want lynch-all-liers in effect today.

Also, on day 1 it's very easy for scum to post nonsense and get away with it, because day 1 can be such a mess, hell, sometimes the most active players are scum. Just because someone posts a lot doesn't make them town, lol. Look at the last newbie mini-game. Ciryandor was scum, and he posted more analysis than anyone, everyone assumed he was town and that was a big reason why town lost.



If we say lynch all liars, townies will carry on lying like they always do.
If we do lynch all liars, townies will eventually realise that they should stop.

Activity doesn't prove that someone is a townie, of course. But if you have a town read on all the active players, lynching a lurker is great.



On December 04 2011 13:01 ey215 wrote:
On the lurker bit, I do think there's a time and place for lynching. If we don't have a case on someone it's better to lynch a lurker than someone active. If they're lurking then they're not contributing or giving us something to go on. Of course, if we've got a good case on someone it's better to lynch them.


100% agree, this was pretty much my point anyway.

And there's a lot of similar views expressed later in the thread by others, so can we say that we've reached consensus? If we don't get a good case, we lynch a lurker.


Ok, just got back to the thread and I'll respond to things as I see them. I agree that we've reached a consensus to get rid of a lurker. That means lurkers, it's your time to step up and contribute.

I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A LURKER TO LYNCH, I wish every one of these players would start doing their part and contribute to town. My first priority is to analyze the active players and if as a town we cannot agree upon a scummy player then we should choose a lurker because they will remain a null read.

Instead of looking at active players your first priority is to look for a lurker to lynch, which i consider just finding an easy lynch without having to justify why you actually think that the player is scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 21:57 GMT
#251
On December 05 2011 06:54 jaybrundage wrote:
Grack whos your biggest scum read. Atm im still thinking adam what do you think

I am in really leaning scum on Adam as well. He is still not contributing at all and all he did was try to discredit the town.
I still want to get more information before putting in a vote though and really wish that he/ the rest of the lurkers start talking.

If he doesn't say anything to change my mind I will vote for Adam
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 04 2011 23:17 GMT
#262
Glad to see you came on BByte

Can you post what your biggest town reads are, and people who you believe are being anti-town
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 05 2011 00:07 GMT
#271
I still want to hear more from you BByte, so far you've only made 2 posts at all regarding your reads on other people and neither of them are saying much at all.
On December 04 2011 23:20 BByte wrote:
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On December 04 2011 23:05 Tunkeg wrote:
All right then: Who do you consider the most scummiest and who is the most townie thus far? Why?

Of those who've actually posted BroodKingEXE reads a bit scummy to me. He has only offered some comments about policy and made a lot of apologies. That alone doesn't make him scum, but it's something.

ey215 reads town to me. He defended himself well and raised some valid concerns while doing so. Good thing it seems most of the town isn't too intimidated by Blazinghand's style.

I'd also lean towards town on Blazinghand and you at this point. That's simply for actively pushing discussion other than policy. That's too easy easy a topic for the mafia to take part in.

Here you agree with the rest of the town(-adam) that Blazing is town and that BroodkingEXE might be scum because he is not posting. You also think that Ey215 is town but get a change of heart.
On December 05 2011 08:16 BByte wrote:
ey215:

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On December 05 2011 04:49 ey215 wrote:
Ok, just got back to the thread and I'll respond to things as I see them. I agree that we've reached a consensus to get rid of a lurker. That means lurkers, it's your time to step up and contribute.

Here you seem to state that we should get rid of a lurker. That seems to imply lynching, though it's not specified. Am I just misreading here?

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On December 05 2011 07:00 ey215 wrote:
No one is looking for a lurker to lynch. Go back and read my filter I have argued that we need to be looking at quality of posts over quantity of posts. With that being said, it's hard as hell to have a solid scum read on anyone day one, and if I have to make a choice I'm choosing someone not posting, or posting hardly anything of consequence to lynch over someone that has been active.

You don't lynch for information, you lynch scum. Barring having a good read, we should get rid of someone not contributing since they're not doing anything to help the town anyways.

And here you're both arguing against a lurker lynch and for it?

I disagree with you on lynching a lurker in the current situation. I don't really even think we have real lurkers at this point. There are already enough posts to get reads on people, and there will be more before the lynch. Of course activity can still be a factor in the evaluation.



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On December 05 2011 06:25 jaybrundage wrote:
My question is what do you think of adam Bbyte


One policy post and one (drunken? ) response to some finger pointing isn't too much to go on.

His response is somewhat accusatory, but he gives seemingly straight answers to the questions. Not a scum read for me, but of course we're waiting to hear more from him.

Now without directly saying anything about Ey215's alignment it looks a lot like you've flip-flopped on your opinion of him but I'm not sure if what you posted was intending to say that he was scum. For the record, we have lurkers and right now you are giving a lot less content than most of the town.
Please tell me you're strongest town reads and people who you think are acting anti-town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 05 2011 00:10 GMT
#273
On December 05 2011 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:
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On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 04 2011 21:39 Tunkeg wrote:

So are you trying to establish yourself as a boring townie by not posting anything or what?

Adam, a couple of questions for you:

What is your thoughts on Blazinghand's aggressiveness? How do you perceive him thus far? Is his play pro-town or anti-town?

Any thoughts on xsksc's play? Is he a key player in this game? If he is scum, what effect will that have on the game?


If my lack of posting thus far has crowned me as a boring townie, I guess it’s a mantle I’ll wear; I had a Sunday off and decided to go out drinking.

My thoughts on Blazinghands aggression so far is that I feel he is trying to generate discussion. However, I question whether he is trying too hard to establish himself as a townie by his badgering. This, coupled with his apparent buddy-buddy relationship with Velinath has me keeping a close eye on both of them as I find it strange that they are apparently “BFF’s” after only 12 hours of play. So to directly answer your question, Tunkeg, I find his behaviour suspicious and erring on the side of Anti-town. 5 separate votes in 12 hours is akin to spam and is just leading the town around in circles, rather than focusing on any one target.

Xsksc is someone I’m more familiar with after close examination of the Newbie Mini Mafia thread. So far he has begun discussion, scolded Blazinghands reckless aggression and defended himself well when called out. Is he a key player in the game? Not yet, but neither is anyone else. Is he pro-town? All signs are pointing towards yes. If he turns out to be mafia, id hope to think we can still catch him out and hang him even with his greater mafia experience over us.

On December 04 2011 16:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Adam has correctly noted that there are no no-lynches in his sole post. Helpful, but not enormously so. Also, he's certainly awake since he's Australian. I'm gonna slap my vote on him and wait for him to contribute some more. Maybe he's eating or out or something, but hopefully this will get more than 1 post

Adam, I'd like to see you contributing to the discussion more. I'm heading to bed relatively soon, but when I wake up I hope to see a new post from you.

##Vote Adam4167

I don't necessarily think you're scum or that other people should vote for you, but you've only made one post, and that's simply not good enough.

Hurry up.


As previously stated, I went out drinking. And after I finish this post, I'm going to need at least 6 hours to sleep it off.

I feel that by flinging your vote in every direction, you have cheapened the weight of your vote when you eventually do decide to settle on a target. I also feel the need to point out again that you have had 5 separate votes in 12 hours, which is almost half of the players participating.

You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =).

This guy is most likely to be scum IMO.
He has not contributed at all to town, yet he is more than willing to discredit both blazinghand and Velinath. Both of these people are giving me very strong town vibes, and just because they have been acting closely with each other in no way makes them scum. In fact from what I've noticed is that people who are willing to outright make a connection with another player is usually town. (palmar/wbg in XLVII)

You need to start giving us reads and contribute to the town instead of discrediting the active townies.

##Vote: Adam4167
Add to the fact that he has contributed yet, and I said that he would be my vote unless he contributed something that would change my mind.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 05 2011 00:16 GMT
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EBWOP : Hasn't contributed yet.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 05 2011 00:32 GMT
#282
On December 05 2011 08:04 Tunkeg wrote:
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On December 05 2011 06:56 jaybrundage wrote:
And tunkeg i would like your response to my reads heck. I would like everyones feed back. lets get some discussion going


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On December 05 2011 06:25 jaybrundage wrote:
My reads so far


Adam4167-
Ok so far i have a scum read on adam I you can see in my last post why
click He just comes off happy to stay off the radar I dont like how he is going about his game. Just posting ot barely keep up. And in general comes off apathetic. He says hes a bored townie but i think it could be a lurking mafia

BByte-
He has posted but not alot he seems content to just respond to people. He did comment about breadcrumbs which is true. Its funny because in my game of Mini Mafia X WBG claimed a blue role and because he breadcrumbed it people beleived him. He did post his reads on people which is good. I would like to see more posting from him. My question is what do you think of adam Bbyte
.
Blazinghand-
Blazinghand has been the biggest posting factor atm. Trying to keep people from lurking and in general trying to generate discussion. While it may not be kosher its seems like its working great. People have responded to his prods. My biggest concern is if he was mafia he would be doing a terrific job. I agree that he has been very pro town. But remember guys putting to much trust in someone is always a mistake. So be wary

BroodKingEXE-
Ok so far i posted a little to nothing. I gave my read on him before. clickerz Well i said previously that he gave off a non pro-town vibe off. I have to disagree now. Rereading his posts I just think hes just new town. Well he can be a bit hard to read i still think hes just a newbie that doesnt know whats scummy and whats townlike. However Regardless We do need to see some posts from you about what you think about other players. If you continue to post like you are you are prolly gonna get lynched. So post your content. If its wrong is not what matters what matters is that you gave your opinion.

ElectricBlack-
Ok so far ElectricBlack hasnt posted much so far. His last post was pretty good containing content about the lynching policies. His respond to BH and about how he though BH was doing a decent job of making discussion. I would really would like to get your reads on the town tho. He does bring up a good point while BH is prolly town we can completly rule anyone out as scum. Establishing thread presence is a good think for both townies and mafia to do. But again i would like you reads. So far i have a null read

ey215- Has posted alot. Mostly because of the arguement between him and and BH. BH called him out for a no content post ey responded by saying BH was making baseless accusations. And it escalated from there. Veli was trying to bring the heat down a bit (good by him). But eventually they decided to just settle things, ey defended himself well. Although to be honest im not sure of his alignment as far. He could be mafia who just did a great job defending himself or a townie who made sure that BH is not going to unchecked. Im going to keep my eye on him.

Grackaroni-
So far he has posted his reads and gave a good bit of content. Giving his reads and trying to keep everyone on the same page He mentioned that he agrees with hassybaby about not making straight up accusations like Tunkeg did so early in the game when people havent posted alot. Will i dont really agree with this. I think coming out with your town reads is always good. Premature sometimes but good. I do agree with his case on Adam tho so far hes still the scummiest in my book. So far i got a pretty good town read on him.

Hassybaby-
Ok so Hassybaby got outright accused of mafia with out even posting. Maybe we should go with people guts and just lynch him lol. Well his first post comes out and talks about the LaL policy. He mentions that we should not just lynch a lurker or liar if we have a good read on someone. I think that we all agreed on this. He then talks about how he doesnt like Tunkeg accusations However i mentioned before i dont think It is the wrong thing to do to put your reads out there. I personally like waiting for everyone to post but regardless. He then tells Tunkeg that He is accusing people to much. I still disagree with this. Tunkeg is generating discussion. I honestly think aggressive scum hunting is completely fine. I don't agree with him on his points. Weather he is scum or not is hard to tell i would like his reads before jumping to conclusions

Tunkeg-
Ok So i have mixed feelings on Tunkeg First off he comes out with his alignment posts and calls out a nonposter and me as being scum. Honeslty i think you should let people post before calling them mafia lol. I do like how he is poking and generating discussion. While i think his biggest disappointment thing was still stupid which he mentions as well. Hassy mentions that he thinks tunkeg is accusing to many people early in the game. But i think that while Tunkeg has said somethings that i dont neccesary agree with i do think its furthing a town agenda. I do think hes coming off protown even if his accusations are not always right. Tunkeg what d

Velinath-
Well as far i see Veli as being at townie. he talks about the policies a good bit Actually alot but that what the current conversation was about. he kind of gets on BKEXE case. Which i kinda did at the start as well Its really hard to read BKEXE but i still do think hes a townie. And then he gives his reads alot of them were null reads but it is still hard to place alignments on people this early in the game. I do find his amount of posting comforting tho. Makes it a bit easier to disguish his alignment.

xsksc-
Ok so i like his first post. It pretty much generated the discussion we had on policy lynches and so forth it was good to get out of the way. He mentions posts about breadcrumbs not proving blues which i agree with. talks about policies a good bit. and then tell BH to not be trigger happy. Its kinda funny that everyone gave an opinion on BH. Again aggressive scumhunting is good imo and making people post is great. He got called out on not scum hunting. Which i kinda agree with. he started the conversation about lynching talked about that for a while and then goes and doesnt give much of his reads or even analyzes any posts. I want to see his reads but im leaning scummy

xtfftc-
Well so far i dont really agree with his policy posts. I do think lynch all liars is a fine policy. He mentions that last minute lynches are a bad thing and i have to agree. he strongly agrees that everyone should post regardless of how we get them to post so he agrees with BH method. He calls out Ey as his strongest mafia read tho. Ill have to go over ey's posts again. As my read was no where near strong on Ey. He also mentions that While people can buddy up for instance BH and Veli that they can often be town and posts an example Syllogism and Sandroba. I do agree that both. So far a null read. I would like to see more of your reads tho

Well thats what i got so far plz everyone tell me what yall think this took fucking forever thank god for filters tho.


Overall a good post, I agree on most of your reads. But my comments are:

Adam: I was also tipping abit against scum on Adam, because of his lurking ways, but he is the only one who have been saying anti-town on Blazinghand, and I would think scum would not go after Blazinghand, but go for more easier targets.

ElectricBlack Not sure if I agree on that his post was a really good post, it was an ok first post, and had he followed up then yeah, he could have been able to establish himself as town. But for me it seems abit like he is trying to give out as little information as possible, and that is not good for town.

xtfftc He is a very hard read indeed. His posts have been seemingly protown, and he have had good activity. But he have supported me and Blazinghand, and as a scum that might be smart as many have town reads on us. He then have put his red mark on ey215 and a FOS on xsksc. ey215 is one of those who at the time could get framed and bandwagon lynched (based of his feud with Blazinghand) and afterward it would not be as obvious as for instance BroodKingEXE. Xsksc as a town is also a player I would presume scum would get rid off if they had the chance. So I consider xtfftc either a good townie or a great scum.

As a final note I would like to say I completely agree of your comment about Blazinghand. There is no such thing as confirmed town!









I like the point that it would be a bad move for Adam to post that Blazinghand was anti-town. But it also could have easily been a spur of the moment kind of thing. Blazing accuses him so he tries to discredit him rather than defending himself without thinking it through.

Electric black definitely needs to post more and is lurking hardcore.

It's good to point out that Blazinghand is not a confirmed townie, and sometimes I have been treating him as such. He has posted a great deal, given some good analysis and has definitely brought a lot of attention to himself. I think he is at least 95% town (what new scum would want to draw this much attention to himself) but if he ends up being scum it should be fairly obvious due to how much hes posted.
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