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North America Season 4 GM Ladder Errors

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FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 18:46:12
November 01 2011 19:03 GMT
#1
MOD EDIT: Daxxarri's post on the issue, since I know this is going to be a hot topic on SotG tonight:
Thank you all for the reports!

I just wanted to reassure you that we’re already aware of this situation and are investigating it currently. We’ll provide further updates when they become available.


MOD EDIT 2: A large amount of players were removed from GM league this morning, Nov 3.

UPDATE:

The issue involving Grandmaster League placement has been resolved. Players which were placed into Grandmaster League inappropriately have been removed, which has allowed deserving players to earn their place in the league.

Thank you all for your patience, and good luck on the ladder!


Has anyone noticed how messed up the ladder is? It seems to have taken mid-masters players while excluding some huge names (eg. dde, Idra, Kiwikaki, OstojiY... all of them are known as ladder beasts in terms of being near the top).

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/ladder/grandmaster

Some standard names there (eg. oGsVines, Sheth) but then you have some ppl such as this guy...

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2131911/1/somefeelrain/

Am I imagining things? Or is there a potential issue?

So far no resolution has been reached, I know a few people who are clearly frustrated that they weren't included in the GM league even though they definitely have the results/MMR to be there (strong > 50% win rate this season + GM last season).
Yip12343
Profile Joined December 2010
120 Posts
November 01 2011 19:08 GMT
#2
desrow has 2 accounts in top 200 lol.

And some of these i dont even know.. but if you have heard idra,minigun etc, they all say that GM on NA means nothing, so they're not worried.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 01 2011 19:08 GMT
#3
Lol some of them have 1 loss and are GM. :p
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-swordguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 19:10:25
November 01 2011 19:09 GMT
#4
It does seem to be a little glitched. A lot of the grandmaster players had 200-400 points before being promoted and I can would be shocked if their MMR was secretly higher than notable pro players.
EDIT: not that no names can't be GM or be able to compete with the notable players, its just I doubt so there are as many closet gosus as there currently are in GM
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 01 2011 19:10 GMT
#5
On November 02 2011 04:08 Incognoto wrote:
Lol some of them have 1 loss and are GM. :p


About 30 accounts have 1 game played with most being losses I believe when I looked earlier lol.
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ROOTIllusion
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
November 01 2011 19:11 GMT
#6
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao.
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FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
November 01 2011 19:11 GMT
#7
Well from talking to an (ex) GM from last season, he played about 25 games so far this season because he didn't want to risk lowering his MMR and falling out of GM this season. So I can understand how a few people with 0-1 records who were in GM last season are in GM this season, especially because GM ladders were filled after one week instead of two weeks (with two weeks, I believe you could accrue enough bonus pool such that not playing enough games before GM placement could leave you out without a spot).

I'm just appalled that people who were low masters last season somehow ended up with GM spots. And that some people who should have them don't.

For me, I was aiming for a GM spot this season. I think with my current MMR I would've ended up slightly out of the bubble (I was scratching top 100 in Masters league before placement, but a lot of top pros/Season 3 GMs weren't playing ladder), but I would've liked to know how close or far I was to making GM.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
November 01 2011 19:12 GMT
#8
i step away for 1 season i dont recognize 95% of the names on GM NA
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StrifeCro
Profile Joined April 2010
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 19:13:16
November 01 2011 19:12 GMT
#9
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.

edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
November 01 2011 19:12 GMT
#10
On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao.


Not totally true though - if you're a low masters player, you're playing low masters even when you're in GM. Because your rank is so much higher than your opponent's MMR, you'll be gaining like 2 - 3 points per game won (if that).

Still, they could theoretically stay in GM.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
November 01 2011 19:14 GMT
#11
Don't we have this issue every season?
#2throwed
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
November 01 2011 19:14 GMT
#12
On November 02 2011 04:12 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao.


Not totally true though - if you're a low masters player, you're playing low masters even when you're in GM. Because your rank is so much higher than your opponent's MMR, you'll be gaining like 2 - 3 points per game won (if that).

Still, they could theoretically stay in GM.

which just makes it a bad system.
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
November 01 2011 19:14 GMT
#13
It's easily possible that the "somefeelrain" guy had a huge bonus pool remaining at the end of the last season and actually had a high MMR. But still it doesn't explain the lack of a lot of top NA pros
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
November 01 2011 19:15 GMT
#14



160th





arcMSIEdgE




110
3
11
Zerg

just noticed that one. points, wins, losses. wtf

User was warned for this post
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FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
November 01 2011 19:15 GMT
#15
On November 02 2011 04:14 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 04:12 FairForever wrote:
On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao.


Not totally true though - if you're a low masters player, you're playing low masters even when you're in GM. Because your rank is so much higher than your opponent's MMR, you'll be gaining like 2 - 3 points per game won (if that).

Still, they could theoretically stay in GM.

which just makes it a bad system.


What?

That's actually one of the controls in place, and it is a good one. You can't intentionally demote yourself to Bronze-level MMR when you're in GM and then stay in GM that way, because you'll be getting 1 point per win probably.

Doesn't fix the problem of how GM is messed right now.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 19:17:12
November 01 2011 19:16 GMT
#16
On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao.


Its already a joke, Deezer is in it !
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 01 2011 19:18 GMT
#17
On November 02 2011 04:15 Testuser wrote:



160th





arcMSIEdgE




110
3
11
Zerg

just noticed that one. points, wins, losses. wtf

EdgE has been high in the NA GM rankings in previous seasons. Going on a bad streak doesn't (and shouldn't) change that.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
November 01 2011 19:19 GMT
#18
On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.

edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol

Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM.

So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time.
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Pablols
Profile Joined August 2009
Chile519 Posts
November 01 2011 19:19 GMT
#19
oh bnet 2.0... should just be at a certain date at a certain time the top 200 active elo are instantly added, having to play a game to get promoted is so stupid
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
November 01 2011 19:20 GMT
#20
There were some people who I've beaten constantly (and clearly have higher MMR over them, at least as of last night) who made it, which makes me bitter. TBH I probably wouldn't have made it anyway, but I still want to know how close I was.

I hope Blizzard rectifies this, but I don't see them doing that.
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