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Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
People not voting for one of the top three candidates at the end of the day should considered scummy as fuck, especially if we don't reach a majority. We can't have anyone throwing away a vote cos of tunnelling/stupidity/OMGUS. Each vote is vital.
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On August 13 2011 22:25 BarBaPoPPa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
there is no reason to ignore evidence that comes into play later than 24 hours into the day u know? if your gonna just vote some stupid random person, then that's fucking scummy, but it only takes like 2-3 hours to switch the votes if we find scum later in the day.
Never said to ignore candidates after 24 hours, I said if we don't have a decent shortlist getting a lynch will be difficult. I also disagree that its possible to turnaround a lynch in 2-3 hours. Even with evidence that someone is 100% scum, because of different timezones its possible that you won't have enough people online. Couple this with the fact that you're never going to get absolute proof, whats more than likely to happen is people start to switch votes and we end up lynching nobody.
Anyone that comes in with 'new' evidence just before the deadline and tries to swing a lynch should be vigged. They should have presented the evidence earlier or shut up.
On August 14 2011 02:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Yeah, Bum is right. I don't think that names and alignment would be linked directly, as it would break the set-up somewhat through mass name-claims. As well, how would we decide what names are what alignment? I see it as people would be able to just twist it as they see fit, as a lot of players have had good games as town and mafia, or can fit into both alignments. For example, Ace is given as an example role for town in the OP, but a lot of people would probably try to argue that he's mafia as well. It's a very insubstantial way of scum hunting that I think we should try to avoid. Anyone pushing for someone's lynch just based on their name is probably scummy. (Or dumb) Also, deconduo had a good post about the lynch rules: Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
People not voting for one of the top three candidates at the end of the day should considered scummy as fuck, especially if we don't reach a majority. We can't have anyone throwing away a vote cos of tunnelling/stupidity/OMGUS. Each vote is vital. I agree with his sentiment, that it will be vital to consolidate votes as the day goes on. We don't want a situation where the vote is split amongst several people each with only a few votes on them, as then we either waste our lynch, or we're forced to try to switch around votes right before the deadline, giving scum a good chance to manipulate the lynch right before it happens. I think a major factor in this, will be people needing to actually think and read, judging who's scummiest, and dropping "protestation" votes and pressure votes (that are for information) before the deadline is up.
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Jackal is likely telling the truth. He's been pushing for kurumi to be lynched ever since he claimed BM. Its quite unlike him to fake claim a restriction like that, and seeing as no one has CC'd L I believe him. This doesn't reflect on alignments at all, and in fact I would think its more likely for L to be a mafia personality than Bill Murray.
However it does us no good to have Kurumi troll, and if Jackal is forced to tunnel him then we have two people that are just posting trash. Lynching Kurumi solves this problem quite nicely. He should be one of the people on our lynch shortlist for sure.
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On August 14 2011 04:28 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:24 deconduo wrote:On August 13 2011 22:25 BarBaPoPPa wrote:On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
there is no reason to ignore evidence that comes into play later than 24 hours into the day u know? if your gonna just vote some stupid random person, then that's fucking scummy, but it only takes like 2-3 hours to switch the votes if we find scum later in the day. Never said to ignore candidates after 24 hours, I said if we don't have a decent shortlist getting a lynch will be difficult. I also disagree that its possible to turnaround a lynch in 2-3 hours. Even with evidence that someone is 100% scum, because of different timezones its possible that you won't have enough people online. Couple this with the fact that you're never going to get absolute proof, whats more than likely to happen is people start to switch votes and we end up lynching nobody. Anyone that comes in with 'new' evidence just before the deadline and tries to swing a lynch should be vigged. They should have presented the evidence earlier or shut up. On August 14 2011 02:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Yeah, Bum is right. I don't think that names and alignment would be linked directly, as it would break the set-up somewhat through mass name-claims. As well, how would we decide what names are what alignment? I see it as people would be able to just twist it as they see fit, as a lot of players have had good games as town and mafia, or can fit into both alignments. For example, Ace is given as an example role for town in the OP, but a lot of people would probably try to argue that he's mafia as well. It's a very insubstantial way of scum hunting that I think we should try to avoid. Anyone pushing for someone's lynch just based on their name is probably scummy. (Or dumb) Also, deconduo had a good post about the lynch rules: On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
People not voting for one of the top three candidates at the end of the day should considered scummy as fuck, especially if we don't reach a majority. We can't have anyone throwing away a vote cos of tunnelling/stupidity/OMGUS. Each vote is vital. I agree with his sentiment, that it will be vital to consolidate votes as the day goes on. We don't want a situation where the vote is split amongst several people each with only a few votes on them, as then we either waste our lynch, or we're forced to try to switch around votes right before the deadline, giving scum a good chance to manipulate the lynch right before it happens. I think a major factor in this, will be people needing to actually think and read, judging who's scummiest, and dropping "protestation" votes and pressure votes (that are for information) before the deadline is up. ----- Jackal is likely telling the truth. He's been pushing for kurumi to be lynched ever since he claimed BM. Its quite unlike him to fake claim a restriction like that, and seeing as no one has CC'd L I believe him. This doesn't reflect on alignments at all, and in fact I would think its more likely for L to be a mafia personality than Bill Murray. However it does us no good to have Kurumi troll, and if Jackal is forced to tunnel him then we have two people that are just posting trash. Lynching Kurumi solves this problem quite nicely. He should be one of the people on our lynch shortlist for sure. So you think it's more likely Jackal is Mafia and Kurumi is Town but you want Kurumi lynched instead? Hi there scum logic.
Read the post properly before commenting kthx. People are saying that Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality. I said that L is more likely to be scum if personalities reflected alignment, which I believe they do not.
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On August 14 2011 04:36 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:32 deconduo wrote:On August 14 2011 04:28 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 04:24 deconduo wrote:On August 13 2011 22:25 BarBaPoPPa wrote:On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
there is no reason to ignore evidence that comes into play later than 24 hours into the day u know? if your gonna just vote some stupid random person, then that's fucking scummy, but it only takes like 2-3 hours to switch the votes if we find scum later in the day. Never said to ignore candidates after 24 hours, I said if we don't have a decent shortlist getting a lynch will be difficult. I also disagree that its possible to turnaround a lynch in 2-3 hours. Even with evidence that someone is 100% scum, because of different timezones its possible that you won't have enough people online. Couple this with the fact that you're never going to get absolute proof, whats more than likely to happen is people start to switch votes and we end up lynching nobody. Anyone that comes in with 'new' evidence just before the deadline and tries to swing a lynch should be vigged. They should have presented the evidence earlier or shut up. On August 14 2011 02:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Yeah, Bum is right. I don't think that names and alignment would be linked directly, as it would break the set-up somewhat through mass name-claims. As well, how would we decide what names are what alignment? I see it as people would be able to just twist it as they see fit, as a lot of players have had good games as town and mafia, or can fit into both alignments. For example, Ace is given as an example role for town in the OP, but a lot of people would probably try to argue that he's mafia as well. It's a very insubstantial way of scum hunting that I think we should try to avoid. Anyone pushing for someone's lynch just based on their name is probably scummy. (Or dumb) Also, deconduo had a good post about the lynch rules: On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
People not voting for one of the top three candidates at the end of the day should considered scummy as fuck, especially if we don't reach a majority. We can't have anyone throwing away a vote cos of tunnelling/stupidity/OMGUS. Each vote is vital. I agree with his sentiment, that it will be vital to consolidate votes as the day goes on. We don't want a situation where the vote is split amongst several people each with only a few votes on them, as then we either waste our lynch, or we're forced to try to switch around votes right before the deadline, giving scum a good chance to manipulate the lynch right before it happens. I think a major factor in this, will be people needing to actually think and read, judging who's scummiest, and dropping "protestation" votes and pressure votes (that are for information) before the deadline is up. ----- Jackal is likely telling the truth. He's been pushing for kurumi to be lynched ever since he claimed BM. Its quite unlike him to fake claim a restriction like that, and seeing as no one has CC'd L I believe him. This doesn't reflect on alignments at all, and in fact I would think its more likely for L to be a mafia personality than Bill Murray. However it does us no good to have Kurumi troll, and if Jackal is forced to tunnel him then we have two people that are just posting trash. Lynching Kurumi solves this problem quite nicely. He should be one of the people on our lynch shortlist for sure. So you think it's more likely Jackal is Mafia and Kurumi is Town but you want Kurumi lynched instead? Hi there scum logic. Read the post properly before commenting kthx. People are saying that Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality. I said that L is more likely to be scum if personalities reflected alignment, which I believe they do not. Please show me a single person that said Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality.
On August 14 2011 00:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Kurumi/Bill Murray must die. He is 3rd party or scum. There is absolutely no way we can allow a troll playing a troll remain in the game. Lynch him now!!!!!
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On August 14 2011 04:50 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:41 deconduo wrote:On August 14 2011 04:36 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 04:32 deconduo wrote:On August 14 2011 04:28 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 04:24 deconduo wrote:On August 13 2011 22:25 BarBaPoPPa wrote:On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
there is no reason to ignore evidence that comes into play later than 24 hours into the day u know? if your gonna just vote some stupid random person, then that's fucking scummy, but it only takes like 2-3 hours to switch the votes if we find scum later in the day. Never said to ignore candidates after 24 hours, I said if we don't have a decent shortlist getting a lynch will be difficult. I also disagree that its possible to turnaround a lynch in 2-3 hours. Even with evidence that someone is 100% scum, because of different timezones its possible that you won't have enough people online. Couple this with the fact that you're never going to get absolute proof, whats more than likely to happen is people start to switch votes and we end up lynching nobody. Anyone that comes in with 'new' evidence just before the deadline and tries to swing a lynch should be vigged. They should have presented the evidence earlier or shut up. On August 14 2011 02:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Yeah, Bum is right. I don't think that names and alignment would be linked directly, as it would break the set-up somewhat through mass name-claims. As well, how would we decide what names are what alignment? I see it as people would be able to just twist it as they see fit, as a lot of players have had good games as town and mafia, or can fit into both alignments. For example, Ace is given as an example role for town in the OP, but a lot of people would probably try to argue that he's mafia as well. It's a very insubstantial way of scum hunting that I think we should try to avoid. Anyone pushing for someone's lynch just based on their name is probably scummy. (Or dumb) Also, deconduo had a good post about the lynch rules: On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
People not voting for one of the top three candidates at the end of the day should considered scummy as fuck, especially if we don't reach a majority. We can't have anyone throwing away a vote cos of tunnelling/stupidity/OMGUS. Each vote is vital. I agree with his sentiment, that it will be vital to consolidate votes as the day goes on. We don't want a situation where the vote is split amongst several people each with only a few votes on them, as then we either waste our lynch, or we're forced to try to switch around votes right before the deadline, giving scum a good chance to manipulate the lynch right before it happens. I think a major factor in this, will be people needing to actually think and read, judging who's scummiest, and dropping "protestation" votes and pressure votes (that are for information) before the deadline is up. ----- Jackal is likely telling the truth. He's been pushing for kurumi to be lynched ever since he claimed BM. Its quite unlike him to fake claim a restriction like that, and seeing as no one has CC'd L I believe him. This doesn't reflect on alignments at all, and in fact I would think its more likely for L to be a mafia personality than Bill Murray. However it does us no good to have Kurumi troll, and if Jackal is forced to tunnel him then we have two people that are just posting trash. Lynching Kurumi solves this problem quite nicely. He should be one of the people on our lynch shortlist for sure. So you think it's more likely Jackal is Mafia and Kurumi is Town but you want Kurumi lynched instead? Hi there scum logic. Read the post properly before commenting kthx. People are saying that Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality. I said that L is more likely to be scum if personalities reflected alignment, which I believe they do not. Please show me a single person that said Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality. On August 14 2011 00:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Kurumi/Bill Murray must die. He is 3rd party or scum. There is absolutely no way we can allow a troll playing a troll remain in the game. Lynch him now!!!!! So Jackal, whose entire goal is to get Kurumi killed, says Kurumi is most likely scum because he's Bill Murray... You want them to stop arguing, but you want to lynch Kurumi (who is probably Town). Why not Jackal? He's the one that has to be pushing this only lynch Kurumi garbage. It's unlikely for a Townie to have a goal that is to get one specific Mafia lynched.
You asked for an example. I gave you an example. You then proceed to complain that I gave you an example. Scum are never happy it seems.
Lynching Jackal doesn't stop Kurumi trolling, whereas lynching Kurumi solves both problems. Jackal can then go back to playing properly and we have a mostly troll free thread instead of a shitfest.
Finally I never said that Kurumi should be the only one under discussion, I said that Kurumi would be a good lynch candidate that should be considered. If you feel Jackal should be lynched instead then go ahead and make a case.
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On August 14 2011 05:14 tnkted wrote:Alright, deconduo is scum. Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:24 deconduo wrote:
Jackal is likely telling the truth. He's been pushing for kurumi to be lynched ever since he claimed BM. Its quite unlike him to fake claim a restriction like that, and seeing as no one has CC'd L I believe him. This doesn't reflect on alignments at all, and in fact I would think its more likely for L to be a mafia personality than Bill Murray.
However it does us no good to have Kurumi troll, and if Jackal is forced to tunnel him then we have two people that are just posting trash. Lynching Kurumi solves this problem quite nicely. He should be one of the people on our lynch shortlist for sure.
So you're saying that BM is probably a townie but we should lynch him anyway? In addition, we should help a possible third party achieve his objective? Ha!
Yet another person who doesn't read my post properly. Here some bolded caps to get the idea into your head:
I NEVER SAID BM IS PROBABLY TOWN.
I said that personalities don't reflect alignment, if they did Jackal would be MORE LIKELY (i.e. NOT SAYING BM IS TOWN OR ANYTHING ELSE) to be mafia than Kurumi.
However personality IS NOT alignment, why are people so fucking bad at basic comprehension.
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I highly doubt Kurumi or Pandain are mafia at this point. Mafia would be crazy to throw away a power as good as that on day 1, especially on someone as easily lynchable as kurumi.
An eye should be kept on Jackal, but forcing a mafia to tunnel a town seems like a harsh enough handicap. Unfortunately if Jackal is telling the truth its going to be hard to do any sort of analysis on him.
Plenty of high profile lurkers out there, especially Fishball who voted without even posting in the thread yet.
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@Kavdragon
Did you know aidnai wasn't around because of the road trip or is he lying?
@Jackal
If you can't lynch BM who would you lynch instead and why?
@VE
This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town
No its clearly part of his role/personality, as is a lot of the weird things going on the thread. You are either scared of him or looking to hop onto an easy lynch. Do not like.
@LSB
On August 15 2011 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 01:59 LSB wrote:
Kitaman has said literally nothing this game lol you need to look in the mirror
Gotta agree with him on this, though I disagree with kav being 3rd party. There has been nothing to suggest alignment is related to personality, However I would guess kav needs to kill blues, so I would advise against lynching aidnai.
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On August 15 2011 05:27 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:First, hai guys. Busy weekend, family's in town, yadda yadda yadda. Second, what. The. Fuck. This is beyond bad. There's a reason a lot of people aren't contributing: it's almost impossible to contribute to this mess without making it worse. I propose that everyone simply stops posting so damn much, and tries to consolidate what would normally be 3 posts down to 1, so that there's a lot less fluff for everybody to digest whenever they want to figure something out or make a point. I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot. I think Kurumi's been detrimental to the town, and I think he knows this. He's done a huge part in establishing the terrible atmosphere we've currently got, and his actions have made it impossible to just ignore the spam he's throwing around. He's gone straight to the chainsaw defense when people call him out, and claimed one of the few roles that would be worth playing risky to keep around. Pandain just made one crucial mistake: even if he's not roleplaying Bill Murray, kurumi is still kurumi. He's still gonna spew nonsensical BS. Personally, I would've rather he just be shot, as it still covers the VI possibility and saves us from any future thread-destroying shenanigans from that particular source. I also find it hard to buy that the Qatol personality would be mafia-aligned, no matter how much everyone says personality != alignment. And since nobody's counter-claimed him, I'm inclined to believe Pandain is both Qatol and town-aligned. On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.
Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.
##Vote: Kavdragon This is an interesting way to interpret kav's actions. I'm not sure I agree with it, though. You say that he's trying to divert our actions. I ask, what exactly is he trying to divert us from? Considering how aimless this game has been, Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case. It looks like a very obvious (and very successful) attempt to keep town from ACTUALLY hunting scum. Yes, I believe his nonsense is related to his role...but it's still nonsense guys. Waldon? Mysterious communications with anonymous players? Intrigue? NONE of it is scumhunting. ALL of it is ridiculous. I think he's trying to divert us from real scumhunting by claiming that he's doing so with...whoever. Node, you're smarter than this and I think the fact that you're entertaining this farce is extremely suspicious. I would like to point out that I am the only person thus far who has done any "scumhunting" thus far. (As most "analysis" have been poor and not anything that would set a lynch.) I set the trap for inactive people, and Aidnai jumped in it. Silly VE doens't want to give me the benefit of the doubt. A better question: Why not Aidnai? He's only come in to defend himself, and then dissapeared. Do you dissagree with my analysis of his reaction to my pressure? You will notice that I almost never posted something about Walton by itself. I always gave advice to the town, tried to get people to stop spaming, or commented on some situation, and then, as an addendum, added the Walton stuff on. I did this because I knew that nobody would understand Walton, and that it could NOT be the only thing I contributed. Deconduo: + Show Spoiler +We both arrived at a location that was NOT our respective homes, but had internet, firday night. I received my role PM then, and offered to log out and let him check his. He declined. After that he had a few opportunities to get on, but nothing much until about 3 PM PST. He had about 5 hours to post at that point however, yet he didn't even say Hi. So yes, it's not as strong as if he had been looking all day, but it's still extremely suspicious that after being on for ~5 hours, he responded very quickly to my attack. To those of you who think that I'm a cultist: "Recruiting" Kurumi was an attempt to get him to stop spammign, and make him uesful for the town. You will notice that every public action has the hashtag form, and I have never used that. This means that if I have a recruiting power, it would have to be private, in which case why would I make it public that I was recruiting Kurumi? It makes no sense. I am not a cultist, I amd town. (Oh, and there. I deny being anything other than town. Not so sure what's magical about those words, but if you want them, there they are.)
That sounds pretty damning to me. My two top scum suspects at the moment are Aidnai and LSB. I would prefer to get LSB lynched but that isn't going to happen with 6 hours left. I'm somewhat aprehensive about trusting you, but you're not dumb enough to offer a 1 for 1 trade if you aren't certain. Don't expect to wiggle out of it if aidnai flips town though.
Vote Aidnai
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On August 15 2011 06:02 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 05:52 deconduo wrote:On August 15 2011 05:27 Kavdragon wrote:On August 15 2011 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:First, hai guys. Busy weekend, family's in town, yadda yadda yadda. Second, what. The. Fuck. This is beyond bad. There's a reason a lot of people aren't contributing: it's almost impossible to contribute to this mess without making it worse. I propose that everyone simply stops posting so damn much, and tries to consolidate what would normally be 3 posts down to 1, so that there's a lot less fluff for everybody to digest whenever they want to figure something out or make a point. I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot. I think Kurumi's been detrimental to the town, and I think he knows this. He's done a huge part in establishing the terrible atmosphere we've currently got, and his actions have made it impossible to just ignore the spam he's throwing around. He's gone straight to the chainsaw defense when people call him out, and claimed one of the few roles that would be worth playing risky to keep around. Pandain just made one crucial mistake: even if he's not roleplaying Bill Murray, kurumi is still kurumi. He's still gonna spew nonsensical BS. Personally, I would've rather he just be shot, as it still covers the VI possibility and saves us from any future thread-destroying shenanigans from that particular source. I also find it hard to buy that the Qatol personality would be mafia-aligned, no matter how much everyone says personality != alignment. And since nobody's counter-claimed him, I'm inclined to believe Pandain is both Qatol and town-aligned. On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.
Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.
##Vote: Kavdragon This is an interesting way to interpret kav's actions. I'm not sure I agree with it, though. You say that he's trying to divert our actions. I ask, what exactly is he trying to divert us from? Considering how aimless this game has been, Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case. It looks like a very obvious (and very successful) attempt to keep town from ACTUALLY hunting scum. Yes, I believe his nonsense is related to his role...but it's still nonsense guys. Waldon? Mysterious communications with anonymous players? Intrigue? NONE of it is scumhunting. ALL of it is ridiculous. I think he's trying to divert us from real scumhunting by claiming that he's doing so with...whoever. Node, you're smarter than this and I think the fact that you're entertaining this farce is extremely suspicious. I would like to point out that I am the only person thus far who has done any "scumhunting" thus far. (As most "analysis" have been poor and not anything that would set a lynch.) I set the trap for inactive people, and Aidnai jumped in it. Silly VE doens't want to give me the benefit of the doubt. A better question: Why not Aidnai? He's only come in to defend himself, and then dissapeared. Do you dissagree with my analysis of his reaction to my pressure? You will notice that I almost never posted something about Walton by itself. I always gave advice to the town, tried to get people to stop spaming, or commented on some situation, and then, as an addendum, added the Walton stuff on. I did this because I knew that nobody would understand Walton, and that it could NOT be the only thing I contributed. Deconduo: + Show Spoiler +We both arrived at a location that was NOT our respective homes, but had internet, firday night. I received my role PM then, and offered to log out and let him check his. He declined. After that he had a few opportunities to get on, but nothing much until about 3 PM PST. He had about 5 hours to post at that point however, yet he didn't even say Hi. So yes, it's not as strong as if he had been looking all day, but it's still extremely suspicious that after being on for ~5 hours, he responded very quickly to my attack. To those of you who think that I'm a cultist: "Recruiting" Kurumi was an attempt to get him to stop spammign, and make him uesful for the town. You will notice that every public action has the hashtag form, and I have never used that. This means that if I have a recruiting power, it would have to be private, in which case why would I make it public that I was recruiting Kurumi? It makes no sense. I am not a cultist, I amd town. (Oh, and there. I deny being anything other than town. Not so sure what's magical about those words, but if you want them, there they are.) That sounds pretty damning to me. My two top scum suspects at the moment are Aidnai and LSB. I would prefer to get LSB lynched but that isn't going to happen with 6 hours left. I'm somewhat aprehensive about trusting you, but you're not dumb enough to offer a 1 for 1 trade if you aren't certain. Don't expect to wiggle out of it if aidnai flips town though. Vote Aidnai Decon- When and where did you post the spoiler in Kavs post????
I didn't post that, he was responding to this:
On August 15 2011 02:59 deconduo wrote:
@Kavdragon
Did you know aidnai wasn't around because of the road trip or is he lying?
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Aidnai is today's lynch, I think that anyone trying to change it should be vigged. I'm fairly confident he'll flip scum. but even a town flip gives us some nice information and a lynch for tomorrow.
Everyone in this game is experienced enough to know where medics/DT checks etc should be going. Anyone openly suggesting 'X should be protected' is scummy, and is just posting filler.
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So kav lied or was wrong, but I'm willing to give him somewhat of a pass due to the 'EVIL' twin part. Still, should keep a very close eye on him.
LSB is super scummy, definitely someone to consider lynching tomorrow. His posting has been all over the place, contradictory at times as Curu said, as well as being hypocritical.
We also need to do something about those lurkers. If we have vigs with a lot of bullets, theres a large crowd of targets for you. Avoid shooting the ones likely to be replaced or modkilled though. We do need to start weeding out their numbers though.
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Theres something important that people seem to be missing:
Kurumi the Bill Murray was eaten by a shark.
The inventor has invented a digital scale.
Kurumi claimed inventor, but said Pandain stripped his powers. He flips vanilla townie which makes sense.
HOWEVER, we get a message about the inventor. Not AN inventor, THE inventor. Pandain is clearly a role thief, and he is now the inventor.
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On August 16 2011 22:23 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 21:59 ghrur wrote:On August 16 2011 21:16 tnkted wrote:On August 16 2011 20:58 deconduo wrote:Theres something important that people seem to be missing: Kurumi the Bill Murray was eaten by a shark.
The inventor has invented a digital scale. Btw... On August 16 2011 12:18 ghrur wrote:
LSB's not Ace right? Clearly Ace doesn't have a monopoly on that picture either. >_> Keep on tnkted, keep on. Oh don't be a child. Fine, LSB is ace. You've convinced me. Speaking of which, Ghrur, I take it since you never responded to my big defense post, it was fairly convincing to you. What do you think about the people who hopped on that wagon who didn't even read my refutations, but were happy to use your initial suspicion? Lol, no, I'm not convinced at all. In fact, I've been wondering how you even read my post while skipping the rest of my posts, considering you had to ask whom I subbed out for. You're still pushing for the same agenda, even defending spam in an already crap-infested thread. You're still scum. Seriously? I didn't write down who you subbed for, you're using THAT as an excuse that I'm scum? Show nested quote +You're still pushing for the same agenda, even defending spam in an already crap-infested thread. You're still scum. What, pray tell, is the agenda that I'm pushing for? I'm not pushing for anything right now except for a LSB (possible kita) lynch. What I'm amazed by is the fact that you are showing zero remorse for shooting a townie. Even if he was spamming (which, by the way, I still don't think he's doing) Great work with that, by the way. Regardless, I'm not arguing with you anymore, this is killing town vibe. If you think I'm scum vote me and see how that works out. @ everyone else: Is it possible that Kurumi created his invention and gave it to somebody before he died?
I highly doubt it as Kurumi flipped green, not blue. I also don't think he was lying as how could the whole thing with Pandain happen then. I am almost certain that Pandain stole the inventor role from him.
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On August 16 2011 22:59 youngminii wrote:
deconduo what do you think of me, am i scum or town
I think you're Kenpachi. I wouldn't call you town, but you haven't done anything particularly scummy yet. I find I agree with most of your posts, though you do have a bit of fluff you could cut down on.
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On August 16 2011 23:32 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:27 Palmar wrote:
hasn't everyone flipped green so far?
I thought everyone was green, or red? Exactly.
Well seeing as its obvious now, I'm blue.
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On August 16 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:49 deconduo wrote:On August 16 2011 23:32 youngminii wrote:On August 16 2011 23:27 Palmar wrote:
hasn't everyone flipped green so far?
I thought everyone was green, or red? Exactly. Well seeing as its obvious now, I'm blue. I'm blue fishing my ass off here.
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On August 16 2011 23:55 Curu wrote:
One person I think is very much Town also claimed blue.
I see nothing wrong with Palmar's reaction deconduo. I'm green and I have an ability. The person who is blue has a worse ability than mine. I don't know why there is a distinction between blue and green but I'm pretty sure blue doesn't mean power role.
Hmm, I wonder what it does mean then. In my role PM I wasn't told 'You win with town' or anything similar. My name was in blue and that was it regarding alignment, I just assumed all PRs were blue, vanillas were green.
Might have to change some of my assumptions about the setup in that case.
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On August 17 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 21:48 Jackal58 wrote:
My vote was on Pandain before you voted Pandain and then moved it to Bum. I didn't jump on anything. I think both are gong to end up being town. I think I'd rather see one of the 7 lurkers get lynched. You're never going to build a good enough case against one of the lurkers to get them lynched. You should be taking a stance on this lynch here. Like, I'm obviously going all-in with this, I'm just 100% certain bumatlarge is scum. He needs to hang. Read Bum's posts again, there is no motivation for posting like he does as town, but maybe trying to convince you is futile.
I honestly think that there is no possible way mafia would waste a Day Vig on kavdragon. I can't think of any situation where it makes sense.
Having the whole blue/green thing sorted out somewhat, I am less suspicious of Pandain as well, and I honestly don't think either of them are scum. Both are bad lynches for today.
I'd like to make a case against Mig, but I feel its too late in the day to try and swing the votes. Bum getting lynched is better than a no lynch, and he has 9/14 votes already.
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On August 17 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:
his ability was triggered through typing ##Nuke in the thread, we'd always know who set off the nuke, so it makes no sense for scum to nuke a very pro-town player.
The only way to use such an ability is to nuke a scummy town/spammer/lurker and then try to brush it off as a pro-town move. He just underestimated the sentiment in the town that Kav wasn't scum.
I agree that kav was almost guaranteed town, so it doesn't make sense either way for bum to nuke him, However a mafia Day Vig is just so mindbogglingly good, why use it on Day 2, and on kavdragon of all people  He had done nothing useful all game, and it didn't look like that was going to change.
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