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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 03:17:51
May 08 2011 03:17 GMT
#1
OK , so less than a week after the killing of OBL is this Obama trying to use his new found popularity to enact what would be a seriously unpopular policy?

If you remember , this was touted in the UK a few years ago.Cars are installed with electronic tracking devices and tracked by satellites , they are charged low rates for driving on rural roads and high rates for travelling on busy freeways or highways.

The UK proposal was met with around 1.6 million people signing an online petition over on the number10.go UK e-petition website making it the most popular petition ever to be on there.

Will Americans kick up such a stink or are they still in a happy daze after the death of Bin Laden? Why use road pricing when the tax on gasoline does pretty much the same thing but for far less overheads and beurocracy? Maybe Obama will find some allies in the far left green movement , they love raising taxes.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile

The Obama administration has floated a transportation authorization bill that would require the study and implementation of a plan to tax automobile drivers based on how many miles they drive.

The plan is a part of the administration's Transportation Opportunities Act, an undated draft of which was obtained this week by Transportation Weekly.

The White House, however, said the bill is only an early draft that was not formally circulated within the administration.

“This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”

News of the draft follows a March Congressional Budget Office report that supported the idea of taxing drivers based on miles driven.

Among other things, CBO suggested that a vehicle miles traveled (VMT) tax could be tracked by installing electronic equipment on each car to determine how many miles were driven; payment could take place electronically at filling stations.

The CBO report was requested by Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), who has proposed taxing cars by the mile as a way to increase federal highway revenues.

The proposal seems to follow up on that idea in section 2218 of the draft bill. That section would create, within the Federal Highway Administration, a Surface Transportation Revenue Alternatives Office. It would be tasked with creating a "study framework that defines the functionality of a mileage-based user fee system and other systems."

The department seemed to be aware of the need to prepare the public for what would likely be a controversial change to the way highway funds are collected. For example, the office is called on to serve a public-relations function, as the draft says it should "increase public awareness regarding the need for an alternative funding source for surface transportation programs and provide information on possible approaches."

The draft bill says the "study framework" for the project and a public awareness communications plan should be established within two years of creating the office, and that field tests should begin within four years.

The office would be required to consider four factors in field trials: the capability of states to enforce payment, the reliability of technology, administrative costs and "user acceptance." The draft does not specify where field trials should begin.

The new office would be funded a total of $300 million through fiscal 2017 for the project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
redoxx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 03:48:23
May 08 2011 03:21 GMT
#2
Wait, but would this tax commuters just as much? It doesn't seem fair for people who are required to drive 40+ miles a day to pay a tax simply to work.


Edit: just saw Sonuvbob's thing... nevermind
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R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 03:28:52
May 08 2011 03:22 GMT
#3
I feel like Truckers wont like this too much.

office is called on to serve a public-relations function, as the draft says it should "increase public awareness regarding the need for an alternative funding source for surface transportation programs and provide information on possible approaches."

I feel like theres a better way to spend $300 million.. Like investing it directly in what their goal of all this is.
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
May 08 2011 03:26 GMT
#4
“This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”

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stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
May 08 2011 03:27 GMT
#5
When you consider that people already have to pay taxes on gasoline, the tires, the brakes, the vehicle, and taxes that fund the roads, how can one even think to draft such legislation?

I'd like to know who came up with the idea of it since it wasn't circulated through the administration.
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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
May 08 2011 03:27 GMT
#6
Fox news shall be entertaining for the next couple of days. This is obviously going to be hugely unpopular with the US. We already pay out the ass for automobiles. As someone who utilizes public transportation and travels little by his own car, I don't really have a problem with it.
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mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 03:28:40
May 08 2011 03:28 GMT
#7
I don't get it. Why would you mention stuff about popularity and political points with OBL when this is in the article you quoted:

“This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”

EDIT: Damn it Sonuvbob beat me
We talkin about PRACTICE
sCfO20
Profile Joined May 2011
176 Posts
May 08 2011 03:29 GMT
#8
Oh shit seriously?? Well if this goes through I know most people where I live will be hoofin' it.

If they wanted the god damn tax money so bad they should just make marijuana legal.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
May 08 2011 03:29 GMT
#9
Op confirmed working for fox news, looking forward to they spin this tomorrow.
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 03:35:35
May 08 2011 03:29 GMT
#10
I am so dumb
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 08 2011 03:30 GMT
#11
They should do what they do in Europe, and instead of wasting money attaching these things onto cars just tax gas heavier...more gas use still goes punished but in a less roundabout way.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 03:32:56
May 08 2011 03:31 GMT
#12
“This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”


The CBO report was requested by Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), who has proposed taxing cars by the mile as a way to increase federal highway revenues.


Title of thread needs to be changed. This is in no way shape or form affiliated with Obama or his administration.
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
May 08 2011 03:31 GMT
#13
On May 08 2011 12:28 mprs wrote:
I don't get it. Why would you mention stuff about popularity and political points with OBL when this is in the article you quoted:

“This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”

EDIT: Damn it Sonuvbob beat me


Cuz Fox News will ignore that line and 40% of all Republicans will believe from the bottom of their heart that Obama wants to tax their cars even more.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 08 2011 03:32 GMT
#14
Though it's not anything official, the fact that this is even floating around means that some part of the white house or the legislature has considered it right?

In any case I agree with OP that raising tax on gasoline would basically do the same thing.

The only thing I wonder is what subsections of the entire automobile universe will be left out of such a tracing/taxing system - ex: would only private citizens be taxed? taxi fleets? trucking companies? agriculture vehicles? Busses?
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 08 2011 03:33 GMT
#15
OP is wrong.

The Obama administration would never consider something like this.

We already tax vehicle mileage indirectly and tracking vehicles like this would be vastly expensive.
Turn off the radio
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46422 Posts
May 08 2011 03:33 GMT
#16
On May 08 2011 12:26 SonuvBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
“This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”

...


I gotta agree with the "..." response lol.

Besides, I don't see a reason why commuters and truck drivers should be penalized; there doesn't seem to be any way to distinguish the gas guzzlers from the hybrid cars if this proposal ever were to truly start to circulate, which are more of a problem, I would think.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4448 Posts
May 08 2011 03:33 GMT
#17
On May 08 2011 12:28 mprs wrote:
I don't get it. Why would you mention stuff about popularity and political points with OBL when this is in the article you quoted:

“This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”

EDIT: Damn it Sonuvbob beat me

It's spin , of course the admistration is in favour of the proposal.
If they weren't why not veto the 300 million(!!) in funding for it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
May 08 2011 03:33 GMT
#18
the OP seems bias >.< lol
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johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
May 08 2011 03:35 GMT
#19
The US has gasoline prices that are among the lowest in the world, and has cars that are among the cheapest and best in the world. Don't know why people are complaining about "paying out the ass"
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 03:39:36
May 08 2011 03:38 GMT
#20
God damn.... in America you pay for 1 Gallon of fuel what we in the UK pay for 1 Litre of fuel and you complain about gas prices lol.....

I bet your road tax is cheaper too and ur insurance..... in fact last time i went to america everything apart from games and DVD's was about 2/3rds the price i would have paid in the UK.

All ur tax rates are stupidly low, thats why you have SO MUCH DEBT....that and the two wars your last president got you in to and dragged our asses into as well.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
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