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Well since its only the first day i can't really say much on who is who. but On April 24 2011 05:14 Conversion wrote: Still waiting on a lot of the inactives.. In my honest opinion, cop should check an inactive. It'll turn out to three outcomes, probably 2 or 3 since inactives tend to often be blue roles/mafia Writing in first person, don't take this as me being cop or anything. 1) Confirmed townie. Oh well, let's hope I get a better result tomorrow. I can defend this townie to death because I know he's town. 2) Confirmed blue role. Nice! Now I know who the medic/cop is. I can act very vocal and hint for the medic to protect me or hint DT to check someone I wouldn't check in order to get 2 checks done in one night. 3) Confirm mafia. Well, now I have to tunnel him hard and hope town follows my analysis and lynches him. Seems like a reasonable strategy to me except for the fact that if you get the first investigation as a townie then the subsequent choices on who to investigate would get harder as then there will be less or if not no inactive to check on. | ||
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it seems like he is the most suspicious person to me as he started off basically accusing 3 people and upon realizing this tries to edit his previous post to get rid of the evidence On April 24 2011 05:21 Enervate wrote: Lol I started to edit my previous post but then I remembered we are not supposed to edit. About my earlier accusations, I was just kidding. I felt like saying something else besides "gl hf". He later shrugs off his accusations as jokes again On April 24 2011 05:21 Enervate wrote: Lol I started to edit my previous post but then I remembered we are not supposed to edit. About my earlier accusations, I was just kidding. I felt like saying something else besides "gl hf". The rest of his posts are pretty much saying "Don't vote for me" which leads me to concluding he is the most suspicious so far hence ##Vote Enervate | ||
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On April 24 2011 22:18 pHelix Equilibria wrote: After reading quite abit of these analyses. Its hard to make judgement calls when people are making these analysis out of 2 or 3 posts that are like 3 sentences long. If there isn't enough to information to draw conclusions from, the best bet would be the inactive. They had a days to say something. At the least we can keep the people interested in the game to stay and therefore more posts to look at. Thats my two cents. And who exactly are these inactives you speak of? Pretty much everyone so far currently has made a post/posts indicating that they are in fact active. | ||
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Conversion + Show Spoiler + He starts the Vote on HardCorey as a pressure vote for him to contribute and keeps is vote on him due to his inactivity + suspicious sheeping behaviour. Sirael + Show Spoiler + The next one to start bandwagoning under the premise of pressure on HardCorey Enervate + Show Spoiler + Seems to bandwagon alot with on his voting and his previous suspicious behavior. His vote seems to be mainly due to the pressure put on him by others voting on him. Tries to convince others that he is just a scapegoat while pretty much scapegoating others. On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote: aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat. On April 25 2011 07:18 Enervate wrote: Ok I guess I will follow the trend of voting for inactives as well. ##Unvote ##Vote HardCorey Freestalker + Show Spoiler + Starts his first vote on Phelix as a psuedo bandwagon choice with the reason being inactivity. Then changes votes for i believe Enervate for pretty much the same reason. He justifies his subsquent vote change on HardCorey as "lower amount of inactives the better" FezTheCaliph + Show Spoiler + Last one to bandwagon Starts vote on enervate and then swaps to hardcorey it is worthy to note... On April 25 2011 10:41 FezTheCaliph wrote: 3. HardCorey Most inactive. Hasn't really said anything worth mentioning, just a random vote for the person everyone was voting for. Most likely not mafia but as he's been so inactive, he wont be missed. wait so lets get this straight... you don't believe he is mafia and yet you voted for him. I thought the point of this game is to vote on mafia's and not random people. | ||
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On April 26 2011 12:54 jaminz wrote: + Show Spoiler + On the off chance I die tonight, I wanted to post this: I’m getting a pretty big scum read from vyro. One of his first posts: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote: still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions: how are clues usually worked into the game? what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia? what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles what does a usual townie plan look like? thanks in advance There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts: 1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part) 2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. I would argue that the first point is him being paranoid about being called out as inactive because he doesn’t want to appear as scum. The second point for me is more telling. He’s looking (consciously or not) to find out how a normal town plays this game, and overall how a normal game looks. This strikes me as suspicious, as I wouldn’t think a normal townie would be so worried about blending in, while this is exactly what a mafia member would do. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote: something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvote to help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems Here we see him again mentioning that part of the reason he’s posting is so that he doesn’t seem like scum. I feel like a town member wouldn’t need to mention this, while a scum member would subconsciously put something like this in there without thinking. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 11:35 vyro wrote: i think conversion's opinions would be more valid with a more experienced or active group. but most of his scum reads (which he has on most of the town) don't really seem to account for how new some of us are at this. so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night Again it seems like he’s just trying to figure out what town can do so he can go along with it. This looks like mafia play to me. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 13:39 vyro wrote: wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_> is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point? This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote: hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia? @freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on. bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big. There is scummy/mafia behavior in pretty much every one of his posts. If I die tonight (and even if I don’t), we need to take a long look at vyro. I don't know what else to say, vyro seems like our best choice for lynching or at least as jaiminz put it " take a long look at vyro". however just some minor speculation from me... we have 3 or possibly more posibilites 1. vyro is a mafia and killed jaiminz to stop him from digging "deeper" 2. vyro isnt mafia, the mafia people might of looked at jaiminz's post and purposely killed him and pretty much "force" us to lynch vyro. 3. vryo is a mafia and saw the post and killed jaiminz which made it look like the mafia killed jaiminz so vyro would appear to be "set up" and hence losing some suspicion on him the next scenarios would be the equivalent of reverse reverse reverse reverse psychology (ie 5 layer inception levels deep ) and i doubt the mafia members would go this deep. choices choices choices >.< i must say however the first case is highly unlikely as there are also 2 members backing vyro up so i doubt they would make such an obvious mistake. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote: i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day. so pretty much that makes my first point invalid as it proves that vyro is smart enough to realise killing jaiminz is a bad idea + Show Spoiler + but again, that also means he is smart enough to think of my 3rd scenario. also the likelyhood of the mafia members(vyro included) of figuring out what would essential be the most likely response of the town to jaiminz murder(which is that the town would assume vyro has been set-up and basically vyro wouldn't be lynched) is very high | ||
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hang on i just read vyro's post On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote: i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day. so pretty much that makes my first point invalid as it proves that vyro is smart enough to realise killing jaiminz is a bad idea + Show Spoiler + but again, that also means he is smart enough to think of my 3rd scenario. also the likelyhood of the mafia members(vyro included) of figuring out what would essential be the most likely response of the town to jaiminz murder(which is that the town would assume vyro has been set-up and basically vyro wouldn't be lynched) is very high | ||
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On April 27 2011 01:28 Enervate wrote: Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. ...I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched and You got me there, so your reasoning for this is. "Everybody, i act and smell the most like a mafia but its alright that means i must not be a mafia as its what the mafia wants you to think." Also you are the least likely to be killed by the mafia cos you are a mafia........ I've had enough ##Vote Enervate | ||
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I might be posting a pretty indepth scum read maybe 5- 10 mins before it ends just so it wont affect the mafia's choice on who to kill (ala jaminz style) | ||
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Ok to start a few things off i would like to "explain our situation" we are in right now so we have including tonight a total 4 townies going to be killed off, which leaves us with 5 townies and 3 mafia in the lynch, so assuming that we misslynch tommorow again then we will be down to 4 against 3 and by night will be 3 against 3 which means practically the mafia will have the majority on who to lynch ie. game over so say we lynch a mafia member tommorow we will be 4 townies against 2 mafia by the next day and if say we mislynch will have 2 against 2 by the next day basically tl;dr we have 1 last chance to get this right and pretty much need to know not just who one of the mafia members are but at least 2 by i think night 4 To start off lets look at the people who had the deciding votes on both hardcorey's and enervates lynch Hardcorey: conversion, sirael, enervate, freestalker, fezthecaliph Enervate: Fez,Freestalker,vyro, rising, conversion, ascle Everything below this points are mainly under the assumption that vyro is a mafia It all started with this post On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote: again, the active players seem most pro-town to me, which would leave the 3 mafia among the 5 less active (phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, ascle) which is less likely statistically, which leads me to believe at least one of them is not actually a townie. but at the same time, i'm afraid to lose any of them (the actives) because a loss of their analysis is a major loss to this relatively inactive game. look at the list of people he thinks is mafia. now look at the list of people that lynched hardcorey and subtract vyro's list of people we get *drumroll* + Show Spoiler + FREESTALKER AND CONVERSION if you look at the list of people who lynched enervate again we have those two people showing up. And with that concludes my introduction and reasoning on how i started looking into this. The following attempts to link the connections between vyro, freestalker and conversion If we look at the opinions that vyro has on freestalker and conversion On April 28 2011 05:52 vyro wrote: freestalker: curious what would've happened had enervate not accused him and jaminz so early on. one of the first to make a summary post, mainly drawing attention to inactives and enervate. points out that it's doubtful all 3 mafia are lurkers, which i agree with. had some filler posts in between, but they were generally clarifying. in a lengthy post replying to jaminz, he responds reasonably and states he's not afraid to speak up because he has nothing to hide. wish he would format his posts more neatly though, replying within the quote you're replying to is messy. suspicious of sirael, enervate, and me strong townie vibe conversion: don't like his logic on investigating an inactive. if cop checks an active, his proposed scenarios are all the same. why not check an active who you could count on to discuss and participate. one of the first hugely substantive posts, much props there. his analysis of most in that post is to analyze and be more active. lots of scum reads, but still identifies probable townies. the paranoia seems town-ish. mildly defends enervate in favor of a lynch on hardcorey, but defends himself reasonably. hardcorey was just so absent :\ suspects sirael, enervate and me. same accusations as free. troublesome? but also stems from basic logic, so i'm on the side that they're both pro-town. if they were both scum, well we're pretty screwed. what's with all the itouch business anyway? i really don't care if you're on your itouch or not, just saying reads as town as you may see here his posts have far from bad things to say about the two individual and initially tries to mask his allegiance to conversion by critizing and disagreeing with his logic but then ends up with nothing bad to say about them and finnally we have this On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote: since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia? @freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face coincidence? i think not! And now we have out looks on freestalker to start of we look at the reasoning behind his vote on enervate On April 28 2011 07:21 freestalker wrote: Well, I gotta go sleep. So I hope this lynch will be a successful one. ##Unvote ##Vote Enervate Seeing Sirael is not really going to be voted and Enervate is also in my list, I'll move my vote there to make sure at least this vote will pass. This one better be mafia or we're in serious trouble. But we should have much more info after this. Basically bandwagonning with no real opinion on why he chose enervate to be lynched. Again look at his other suspicions... no conversion I have to say in both freestalkers and conversions post, they are both critical towards vyro, however this looks to me as a tatic to conceal their relationship. Its is noted however that they are never overly or ever overextends their accusations on vyro and tries to accuse him enough to not get him lynched. Need evidence for this? Well has vyro been lynched? And last of all we have Conversion On April 27 2011 12:44 Conversion wrote: FoS on Enervate and Sirael right now. Enervate for his rather poor, scummy defense and Sirael for hardcore lurking. well enervate is dead and sirael is incidentally NOT freestalker or vyro, jsut going to leave this here You may all think and say im looking far too deep into this stuff but On April 28 2011 06:17 Conversion wrote: This is why I said check an inactive. Also, the iTouch thing is in case someone like free asks me to do analysis. I'm taking time out of my personal life to go to a library to make longer posts and analysis to benefit town. It's just to clarify that I can't make long posts/analysis etc. Don't read too much into it. so why out of the 9 to 10 people we have you say free? I could have more to say like the voting trends of each suspect and even just simple scum reads but i just realized that i have a fuck load of exams coming up (tommorow) and my internet is capped for me to individually find every post that they say. (maybe someone else can do this) Also can someone post that picture of that black guy with the "you just activated my trap card" cos i literally can't load or even upload an image and i say it would be quite fitting cos you mafia's just activated my trap card. | ||
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there are 3 mafia remaining and only 3 townies... phelix,rising,fez, free, conversion,ascle so i actually can;t think of a way to win this without a medic unless the mafia members decide to kill one of their own. ##vote Conversion he FoSed both Sirael and enervate who are townies, best bet i have well townies we might as well all vote for the same person if you want a chance to win or the mafia will just all vote for one person and we lose. | ||
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well played also i would of looked like a total jobber for that 2nd last post i didn't point my finger at you conversion. | ||
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