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Clearly we need some kind of control over certain roles but your plan was already poor received by a lot of people here. Yes you may have altered it but you are still trying to control every pick which keeps some of the same problems. I have yet to finish reading #2 but Ace already said mafia lost due to inactivity not the plan. Using that as support seems stupid. But there's a more important reason. This is GODAMN PICK YOUR POWER 3. It's going to be awesome. It is not LSB's slumberhouse of bored afkers. I sure as hell aint using no predetermined list. | ||
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On January 07 2011 14:59 Fishball wrote: Our alignment PM's have already been sent by Ace. So if you are still pushing for the plan, you are one or more of the following: - You are Mafia, wanting to fish information. - You are aiming for the Traitor role, feeding Mafia information to help your side to win. - You are butt-hurt after multiple players told you this wasn't a good plan, and your ego refuses to let yourself back down. - You are simply naive. Well there's two things to consider -LSB magically fixes his plan as soon as he got his role pm LOL -LSB is clearly very stubborn With that in mind my guess is he's a green townie, with an eye towards picking traitor again. If he is mafia why would he bother to change his plan. Since I bet LSB will continue fighting against any objections until the end of time no matter what his role, I propose we just ignore him and his nonsense plan and create something better together. I have something simple and effective but I want to wait until after draft order is set to say anything on it. | ||
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JIMBOS PLAN Here are the results from the past two PYP games. #1 Order 2 10 13 18 Picks: 1 1 6 1 8 1 12 1 #2 Order 1 7 8 13 Picks: 1 3 13 20 3 1 11 1 - couldnt coordinate with mafia I was thinking from the perspective of using past game drafting patterns to be able to put the important town roles in a certain area. However I did not consider what lsb is saying, in that I would have no way of proving myself to be town in that time and thus could just as easily be mafia trying to get my buddies what we want. So we'll see how it goes right now though. What I noticed in reading both past games - Thanks Ace for suggesting it! - is that mafia has a very difficult time getting top a number of picks or do not want to for several reasons. As you can see both games they got in the top 2 slots but then their picks start jumping all over the place. There are various reasons for that, as having top picks in these games wasn't always ideal, but it got me thinking. Say the mafia want to get most of the top picks. How do they do it?
2- Mafia picks numbers all over the place and hopes the town clashes a lot. This is purely luck and probability means 1-2 mafia will be in the top 6, which is A-OKAY. 3- They could triple up on a high number e.g 1, then have the other 2 picking likely unique numbers eg 13, and hope everyone else clashes. This gives them a legitimate chance of getting up there in numbers but it also very well might screw them over completely. Mafia have a much easier time assuring themselves a number of picks in the middle, namely by clashing with each other on a high number and spreading some with high numbers unlikely to be picked. If anyone has any way the mafia could assure themselves a majority of the top slots, please post so. Otherwise I think I'm onto something. The reason this is important is where the assigned roles are. We clearly need to have a few roles accountable. The previous plans, and current plan, followed the train of thought that KP boosting and important-to-deny-mafia roles needed to be picked first. What ended up happening was that the first 3 or more slots were sealed up, eg it didn't matter what alignment the people who got them were because they were held on accountability.EG If the prince of darkness acts, something's wrong and he must die. That meant that the best town roles got thrown into 4-something, where the majority of the mafia will be located. This doesn't make sense. We want the pro town roles in the hands of the town and the anti town roles in the hands of ACCOUNTABLE mafia (or town or sk). Superduper Town roles= Jack Bullet Bill Bullet Proof Parity Cop Doctor Veteran In addition there are some solid to mediocre town roles. Role Cop= Mason Tracker Hider Witch Accountable Roles= CPR Doc vigi Roleblocker Copycat - because of the day vigi the infinite kp role point brought up earlier Now you might object that there will be clashes. Yes, there will. And that is not actually that horrible. For one, mafia will clash too. They won't be able to get what they want as easily. And mafia clashing will make other roles better, namely Tracker. A roleblocking mafia gets followed to his roleblock target. A vanilla mafia gets followed to the kill . For two, it's more important that good townies get the really superduper roles and we get a few greens than the really superduper roles die right away because they are known and we're left with the shitty roles. Jack and Bullet Bill and infinitely better than Tracker or Mason. It doesn't really matter what alignment comp vigi and CPR doc are as long as we know who they are. If their shots don't follow their assigned targets, then we know they're mafia. So- JIMBOS PROPOSAL -Players 1-6 will pick a very pro town role. Preferably one of those I listed in blue but there are some others like witch that can prove useful too or hider to mess with hits going in the top 6. -Players 7-10 will pick CPR doc, vigi, Roleblocker, and Copycat in that order. Town will vote during the night phase for the kp to use as a type of extra lynches. They don't follow orders, they die. Maybe we should assign Prince as #11? I'm not sure how bad this role actually is for the town? Janitor as #12? Might be nasty. -Everyone else picks what they want. Mafia can pretty much guarantee they will get 1 person in the top 6 somewhere, maybe two as they have 5 people. But that still leaves a 4-5 townies with very powerful roles. We need those roles to win. What's better, the mafia cannot exploit this fact like they can an LSB list because of the bulletproof/veteran threat and the fact that the doctor will likely protect in that area. The things I'm not certain on are should we do anything about the kinda mediocre pro scum roles? Or just tell townies not to pick them and have rolecop know if he gets scum by seeing that pop up? And is 6 the right number for the cutoff? FEEDBACK PEOPLE LETS GOGOGOO | ||
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Let's talk about arranging numbers since people have not and that's not cool bros. Posting I agree or I disagree is not cool. Posting ideas is. 1- If mafia wants they can arrange to have most/all of the last numbers very easily . Just pick large numbers eg 20 and double or triple up. 2- If mafia wants to they can arrange to have the majority of middle picks. This is what has happened both of the last 2 games with mafia getting at least half their players in the middle. They can either do this doubling up on very high numbers eg 1 1 or picking larger unique numbers eg 9 11 13. LSB also showed a way here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529¤tpage=10#197 3- So far there doesn't seem to be a way for mafia to arrange to get a number of high picks. LSB half of what you said doesn't make sense and is complete bullshit and the other part just proves that mafia can arrange the middle of the draft, maybe the upper middle aka your sweet spot. The number picking patterns of the last 2 games are irrelevent - eg a lot of people picked 6 to make sure bill murray got a last pick - and what I said is definitely not a reliably recipe at all and can possibly screw the mafia. It's much more likely the mafia gets burned trying to aim for a bunch of high picks than they actually succeed. Either way I think randomizing your numbers is probably the town's best bet. Mafia can beat randomizing to get middle and bottom picks but they can't beat it to get top picks right? Clearly what this means is that we need to put the best roles in the places where mafia cannot assure themselves a majority. Otherwise we are better off just doing it randomly and pick whatever you want style. If we prioritize all anti mafia roles in the top slots to make people accountable and mafia arranges mostly middle slots, then mafia will snag up all the good town roles and that is very bad for the town. Not only does town NOT have them but mafia can misdirect and mislynch FAR easier. I don't really care if we do my plan or something else, as long as it's not LSB's mafiawin and bigbadboring plan which isnt going to happen no matter what i say so whatevs. Those who are supporting it really need to read the second game, see the negative reaction to radfield's plan which is like the lite version of LSB's, then look at everyone who dissed on the plan this game. LSB is going to defend his plan even in death so just form your own independent thoughts. IF YOU DONT LIKE MY PLAN MAKE SOMETHING BETTER!! | ||
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On January 09 2011 07:01 LSB wrote: Your response to my point number two is not germaine ^That doesn't answer anything. This is where you're plan fails. I was just writing my own points not responding to anyone in particular. I wouldn't be so sure #6 is vanilla townie. If anything I bet there'd be more chance of a mispick in the 3-4 range, eg 2 ppl picking bullet bill instead of 1 jack 1 bullet or both bulletproof no vet and so on.#5 and 6 are more likely to fear that overlap risk and pick something solid but not amazing like role cop or doctor. More importantly the mafia doesn't know who the veteran and bulletproof are. Their member(s) up top might snag veteran because its handy, but mafia can't tell the difference between nightlife or bulletproof or a doctor save. The difference is that mafia and sk can't just go shooting willynilly into all the best roles for fear that they might overlap hits, which is amazing for us, and they simply don't know which ones to kill and which ones not to. That uncertainty is all important. If roles are public knowledge we can't count on the mafia having dumbass hit choices and not killing the big guns. | ||
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With that said, I picked [3][3]. | ||
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On January 09 2011 11:33 deconduo wrote: Woot, random ftw. I assume I should be picking CPR/Vig right? The pro-town roles are good in the hands of town, and disastrous in the hands of the mafia because they can misinform us. On the other hand, the "accountable" roles aren't really that great in town hands or mafia hands as long as we know where they are. As I've said before, since its easier for mafia to concentrate their picks in the middle of the list rather than at the beginning, we need the early players to pick pro-town roles. If you're in the top 6 and you're town, you should RNG between one of these roles: Jack Bullet Bill Bullet Proof Parity Cop Doctor Veteran 7-10 will be the area where we will assign the accountable roles. | ||
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I'm happy some people have already pointed out aidnai's poor showing. I was suspicious of him myself in the very beginning but wanted to give him a little more time and see what came up. Nice to see I'm not alone. He has done nothing to help his case in that time so I definitely think aidnai is scum. I've read all the guides I've seen here and aidnai aidnt looking good. To start, he's damn useless. Around 10 posts and absolutely nothing of value. Then he is deliberately posting to make it look like he's posting. In particular I am referring to the poll asking people what they think about LSB's plan, then he QUOTES THE POLL LOL. He did that without ever once saying what he thought of the plan. WTF? Following that he has several posts where he puts doubt and suspicion on people without actually pointing the fingers. Who would do that but scum? dun dun dun. The rest of what he says is just asking pointless questions without having a really opinion of his own or making any kind of stance or contribution. Yah I bet he cares about what happens to the town drrrrrr And just right damn smack now he got all defensive over having a little pressure on him. Bumatlarge made an innocuous little point and aidnai freaks out. He says he'll do better soon. Ok bro. ##Aidnai | ||
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For everyone worrying that lynching aidnai will give a potential mafia copycat a good role: aidnai is number 16 on the draft list. He can't possibly have a good role. Pardoning is a terrible idea right now because if mafia did anything with the copycat role, they now can choose which role they want with their NK. We can't assume copycat is in town hands. Furthermore, if we don't know who the copycat is, we can't control it if copycat happens to get a dangerous role. Lynching aidnai gives us very low danger of actually giving copycat a good role. On the contrary, pardoning just allows the potential for mafia to pick up a good role. People also please ignore the traitor. If LayOffRage is telling the truth, theres a 1 in 8 chance of finding the traitor randomly, and theres a 1 in 4 chance of lynching mafia at random. Plus, the good roles are in 1-8, so if mafia wants to kill our good roles, they just expose the traitor even more. Furthermore, traitor isn't even hooked up with the mafia until they get hit. We can afford to wait before going after the traitor. Aidnai is reacting poorly to pressure. Please don't spam the evidence away. Vote for aidnai. | ||
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On January 11 2011 15:10 aidnai wrote: As for lynching LayOffRage, thing is, he can be a pretty decent scumhunter, and he's active, and he claimed green. I don't see why he needs to die before we even get a read on the players in the top 8. And fishball is almost certainly not the traitor. Aidnai I have one very simple question for you: how do you know layoffrage is a pretty decent scumhunter? | ||
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On January 11 2011 15:51 aidnai wrote: And I have a simple answer. I've played with him before. Bullshit. The original post caught my eye since in the few games I've read here I've never seen his name and he only has 50 posts so it would seem odd you'd vouch for him like that. Dig a little digging and turns out layoffrage hasn't played since September 2009, his only game. You joined in January 2010. Something smells here or my name isn't Jimbosilvers. | ||
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Oh yes I can think of an explanation mr aidnai. But it's an extremely unpleasant one for you. layoffrage's only game was in smurf mafia. Key word smurf. So layoffrage is a smurf. Now who would know that except those who played in that game? Why would someone, most particularly you who apparently hasnt had any time except to post polls ask useless questions and defend yourself poorly, bother to check out layoffrage's profile of all people? The important thing is you brought it up like it was casual knowledge, but so far as my wits can see, it sure ain't commonly known. If layoffrage is a friend who told you his smurf, I might imagine he would've wanted to keep it a secret."Something like 'hey aidnai im layoffrage dont tell anyone kay plox.' I don't think you would have let the knowledge slip indirectly like you did if layoffrage was simply a friend whose smurf you knew but alignment you did not. Because remember, you revealed this when you were defending him from pressure, which is incriminating in itself. So let me try a stab on another possibility. You and layoffrage are scum. Layoffrage told you guys who he really is, you have played with him before, and you simply let some the knowledge of his smurf indirectly and unconsciously slip when you were defending him from pressure. Of course other explanations are possible and this doesn't confirm you as red or anything. This just just means that if you flip red, we kill layoffrage too. And just to make things clear, I sure aint tunneling. There are other scum out there and I think I might have another. But I'm not going to get into that now. Why should I care about one fishy in the river when I got another squirming in my arms? | ||
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I want everyone who is thinking of voting fishball or jackal or layoffrage or anyone because they think they are the traitor or copycat to stop and think a moment. Fishball talked about this and I want to reinforce it since you peoples can't seem to read it. I swear half the time anything important gets posted it's automatically converted into invisible forum ink. In Pick You Power 2 this is what happened- 1- Southrawrea - pick 6 - says day 1 "Somebody picked traitor ahead of me cause I didnt get it lolz" 2- Town lynches Hesmyrr - pick 4 - trying to find the traitor on the first day. 3- Town lynches Southrawrea trying to find the traitor on day 3. They lynched the serial killer day 2 fyi. 4- Town shoots Chaoser - pick 2- trying to find the traitor with their compvigi shot night 3. 5- Town lynches LSB traitor - pick 3 - finally getting the traitor day 4. Tell me. Is that worth it? Let's hear what Ace says: On September 06 2010 20:37 Ace wrote: Southwarea did the right thing ringing the bell about a traitor in the top ranks, but did the wrong thing and accused Hessmyrr out of no where. Still no idea how anyone thought that was a good lynch. Now in our situation we have the person claiming he missed on traitor at pick NINE instead of six. It's even worse! Who cares about the damn traitor lets lynch some scum people! If you don't think aidnai is scum then fine. Find a better one and prove it to us. But don't you dare just sit there and talk about the bullshit you currently are. It doesn't matter what happens with the traitor. They'll get revealed as the game goes on because they are in the all important upper slots where lots of people will probably die. We got five other buggers to fry first. To hell with the damn copycat. To hell with 'oh my god he might be the traitor' talk. To hell with pardoning the lynch. Find scum or die trying. That's Jimbo's motto and it better be yours too! | ||
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Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote: Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia. Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role. Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo | ||
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Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes. kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass. For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. | ||
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On January 15 2011 16:27 HaploPaithan wrote: Sorry I missed the crucial voting time guys. I had some shit I had to do at that time. We need to decide on a person for Kita to kill tonight. List of likely targets. Cube - Lied to town in a effort to scare the mafia. Pretty weak claim with contradictory arguments about his reasoning. Deconduo - Claimed SK. Fishball - Likely Traitor. BC - Was a potential lynch target. He should still be looked into as a viable target. Misder - Hasn't been posting much. I almost completely forgot he was in the game. He seems to be trying to sit back and stay out of sight. I think he is a likely candidate for a scum. Bumatlarge - Some people seem to be suspicious of him. However Deconduo has already stated that he will be using is SK kill on him tonight. Other? - Tell me who you think should be on this list. We need to try and keep the list short so we can actually get a clear decision. We don't want to leave it ambiguous. There is still a potential that Kita is a scum. We need to make sure he is killing who we want him to and not leaving up to his choice. I will go ahead and choose Misder for my pick. All the other players are of potential use to us. Cube has claimed to be a Doctor. He has been suspicious, but if he is doctor, it can be still be useful to us. Deconduo has a KP that will be used to target scum since he can't let scum win before he does. Fishball is a potential traitor. However if he wants to continue living he will continue to provide analysis. Plus its unlikely he has been recruited yet, so he won't know which players are actually scum, so he can't really protect those players in his analysis. BC is in a similar situation. Has been under suspicion and will continue to provide useful analysis in order to stay alive. Now we get to Misder. He has been quiet. Too quiet. He isn't going to be posting useful analysis anytime soon. He said himself that he will not be posting much in the near future either. So of all my potential targets he will be of the least use for town and as such the best target for a lynch. Now then. Cube. You claim to be a doctor, but you won't use your ability. Stop being a pussy. Don't waste your ability because you're afraid. This is probably the reason I'm the most suspicious of you. A doctor who isn't protecting someone doesn't look good. You need to protect someone tonight. Who knows, it could be what prevents us from losing tonight or tomorrow. I propose that you protect either Kita - While he has the potential to be harmful to us, its probably best to keep him alive. If he turns out to be a scum, we probably can't win as it is. HaploPaithan - I was targeted last night and saved. I think it could be likely that I'm targeted again. Obviously I'm a bit biased here. Eiii - Is hopefully our Parity Cop. A pretty good reason to be protected. He hasn't confirmed this, but he probably shouldn't until he can at least tell us something. You should tell us who you will be protecting us tonight. This should pretty much guarantee that that player will not be killed. Scum will be reluctant to hit him, plus your protection should save him if they do decide to go after him. Then in the case that you are a weak cop and you die from it, we will know who you protected and that that person is scum. I think we should be able to tell if your death was from weak cop or someone's KP by the amount of deaths that will occur tonight. So yeah everyone please let us know who you want Kita's KP to be use on. Also please mention anything that I might have overlooked. Oh hey nice of you to come in and post! On your list : why would we kill the SK? First off we can't kill him at night since he's bulletproof, and second we need to kill mafia, not SK. We're in a terrible position given its 16 players and 5, potentially 6 mafia, and a bunch of KP. Anything else to say about Fishball other than "likely traitor"? Why Misder over other lurkers like zeks? You mention bumatlarge and say other people seem to want to lynch him. What do YOU think? I'm not feeling conviction here. Along with the other questionable picks on your list, I'm just feeling like you're trying to pick easy candidates here. Also: HaploPaithan - I was targeted last night and saved. I think it could be likely that I'm targeted again. Obviously I'm a bit biased here. Why do you think you'll be targetted again? And why do you think you're so important that we need to save your life? Your most recent post is just atrocious. kitaman, please ignore my last request and shoot this loser instead. | ||
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