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Thanks for the PM! I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise. | ||
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Thanks! =) I hope it lasts! I've taken screenshots because I don't think I'll have it for very long. | ||
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Also, take whichever role you received as an opportunity to improve as a Mafia player. Just do your best. =) | ||
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On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote: Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one? Well, at the moment, it just seems as though everyone is casting random votes. Obviously we're not going to achieve anything with this unless the town starts applying more pressure. I think we should be trying to decipher DrH's day post. There are some intriguing statements which seem significant. On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Day 1 Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. Somebody fell in love. A child is playing in the yard. A man with a black hood stands in an alley. Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. On November 30 2010 06:50 orgolove wrote: Oo, a lover's mafia! Someone with a day-kill..? A doctor... and a... umm. I think the spirit means that that person will get a different role if killed or lynched. I don't know what the child specifies. orgolove has started us off. I'm going to add my comments. A pharmacology degree would be awarded to a pharmacist. A pharmacist is a professional who distributes medicine but does not tend to the wounded. Is this analogous to a medic? I'm not sure about that. I don't have any ideas about the other lines. Any other thoughts? | ||
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On November 30 2010 09:19 annul wrote: ok hi so like, the "spirit" is probably a ghost, in haunted ghosts were medics... there are lovers in the game children are... http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (so maybe the variation is in play) black hood... vig? doctor thats 6. so 6 more to go What does "thats 6. so 6 more to go" mean? Well, I don't know if DrH is referencing Haunted when he uses the word, "spirit". I don't know what it could mean though. Maybe there's a person who can project his soul into an astral plane and watch other player's at night. The Innocent Child role is interesting. I've never seen that before in a game. If that role does exist and is used, we'll have a confirmed scum hunter. The line "Someone fell in love" might refer to the "Lovers" role where the death of one player will trigger the death of the other. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lovers "A man in a black hood stands in an alley." seems to be referring to a mafia role? | ||
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On November 30 2010 09:43 Node wrote: The spirit "waiting to come out" implies a role that needs to be "activated". Usually the requirement for that is death, but you never know. Maybe a "revenge vigi" of sorts? Person(s) falling in love seems to refer to this role, for those who haven't seen it before. Annul posted the most likely role for the kid in the yard. The man with the black hood could be just about anything. Probably not a very benign role, though. The pharmacology implies doctor, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a twist on it. What form that would take, I don't know. Ah, I agree with your interpretation of the spirit role. Someone probably has an ability that is activated upon death. I'm going to have to disagree about the pharmacology role. Pharmacology degrees are not awarded to doctors but pharmacists. DoctorHelvetica works in health and would not make that mistake. Again, I think that means there is a Pharmacist role. What that means, I don't know. | ||
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On November 30 2010 12:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: To expand on this, I would think the pharmacist role probably is a nerfed medic. Something like give a pill one night, saves them the next night? So it actually would require a higher level of skill to use. Yeah, that would be a really hard role to play correctly. It definitely would make sense though if it existed in an experimental game. In essence, it is the opposite of the Poisoner role which kills the following night. It's been confirmed that we actually have 2 of these roles. Since we only have 15 players, we probably do not have a true medic/doctor in addition to our 2 Pharmacists. | ||
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On December 01 2010 02:24 deconduo wrote: Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) Ability activated upon death. Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) Executioner/Mason Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics A man begs in the street. (8) Hobo? Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) Sane/Insane detective 10 role clues given so far. That leaves 2 more if only town clues are given, 5 more otherwise. The mason thing actually makes sense. Remember that Coagulation revealed his role when he said: On November 30 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote: My role relies 100% on me running a town circle. DocH did this on purpose I swear.. | ||
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On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote: So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH. I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote. There are 2 possibilities: 1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely) 2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role. So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default: ##Vote: Coagulation But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect. *Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. On December 01 2010 04:50 orgolove wrote: My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball. Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red. On December 01 2010 05:06 orgolove wrote: Note that I'm not arguing for a policy lynch on coagulation here - I think it's pretty clear that he's a blue. Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball. I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove On December 01 2010 05:01 orgolove wrote: Because he's a spammer and pretty unlikely to be helpful to town given his past predispositions, whether he's a blue or a red. -_- As an aside, it really bothers me how much people pick on Coagulation. Everyone is entitled to play mafia in a safe environment. Although Coagulation has made some dubious plays and has been called down for it numerous times, he is still here. He's faced automatic lynches, pseudo-'random' votes and personal attacks. This is not the only example of such an occurrence but it is the latest that I've seen. The Mafia games are read by prospective players as well and viewing such hostile attacks against a specific player is not inviting. | ||
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On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote: and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games sigh, this again. Attacking someone's arguments is perfectly acceptable. Pointing out logical fallacies is not a character assault and shouldn't be taken as such. In a competitive game, like Mafia, it is sometimes necessary to try and unnerve someone so they make mistakes. I don't condone that type of behaviour in real life though. However, this is not the forum to discuss this issue. Your game is still going on and if you're going to continue to try and 'get in the last word', then you're going to make a mistake and then try to blame me after. Save it for the post-game discussion. Anyway, I'm just pointing out that if Coagulation or anyone else makes a mistake, it's fine to point it out, after the fact. However, players are using POTENTIAL mistakes BEFORE they are made as an excuse to lynch. Honestly, if you can't find a better reason to lynch someone, there's probably a good reason. | ||
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On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed. at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good. PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle Are you kidding me... STOP addressing me. We'll hash this out in the Sengoku post-game. I've told you before, your continued spam just makes it easier for the mafia to stay hidden. If you really care about winning for the Town, then do some actual scum-hunting rather than distracting us from what matters. | ||
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On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments" big big difference Yes, there is. I use the first statement, you use the second. That's the difference. | ||
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On December 01 2010 05:44 kingjames01 wrote: I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote: so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? What the hell? I said it first... If you can't come up with your own analyses, then just quote them. I know you read it because you addressed part of it. Do you have to constantly try to prove to everyone that you're scum? This is seriously going to be the last game I play with you. | ||
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On December 01 2010 07:06 Barundar wrote: Pandain do I really need to repost or can you scroll up? You shouldn't jump into conversations and pretend to contribute when you haven't really added anything to this game so far. | ||
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On December 01 2010 06:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: That last part is unnecessary, you were warned in other games to stop being a condescending douche, now please follow suit and play the fucking game. I am tired of this whiny sensitive bitching bullshit. Everyone stop crying play the game and nut the fuck up. Oh, RoL. I was NEVER warned in ANY game and I eagerly await your rebuttal. What you're thinking of is the post-game discussion of Insane. The comment came from a player who made a really bad move and took offense to generic advice that was not even addressed to him. The ensuing discussion revealed that my opinion was a valid one. I respect that you've been around, but I will not back down just because of your posting history. So if you're going to try to mediate, keep your insults to yourself. | ||
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SouthRawrea only has 4 posts. Let's take a look: On November 30 2010 05:36 SouthRawrea wrote: /in sounds good On November 30 2010 07:07 SouthRawrea wrote: Abstains aloud? [Vote]##Coagulation On November 30 2010 11:06 SouthRawrea wrote: Black hood guy-> Mason? Axe -> George Washington? George Washington = Mason On December 01 2010 07:10 SouthRawrea wrote: No please do split up your votes  Main points:
I'm going to stick with my vote on orgolove. However, we need to apply pressure to players who are not contributing. | ||
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On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A voice from the heavens speaks. On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not. Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Someone got caught speeding in a car. A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer Also, note that we've gained two more descriptions that seem to be exclusive from the previous list.
Neither of these roles seem to indicate a Vote Blocker. On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote: Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM? The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role. Does this make you a "big fat lynch target" now? | ||
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On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The system is corrupt. And i think that is a hint for every role. If this is a hint for EVERY role, then we will stand to benefit if we decipher this statement. I tried comparing it to my role PM and I can't see any patterns. Any other ideas? | ||
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