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Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 09 2010 02:50 GMT
#77
/in just finished thesis defense, this is my reward haha
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 02:13 GMT
#131
Because of the smurfs in game, we won't really have a full understanding of all of the veteran players in play. Since the minister seems to only have the say on the first lynch and then no other abilities, they should probably be someone who we can both all agree on, as well as someone who will then listen to all of us when it comes to choosing the first lynch.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 02:29 GMT
#137
On December 11 2010 11:28 ilovejonn wrote:
i am a total noob to this game and have no clue whats going on... =[


First lesson, NEVER edit your posts!
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 03:14 GMT
#160
On December 11 2010 12:10 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2010 12:04 CubEdIn wrote:
On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote:
On December 11 2010 11:51 CubEdIn wrote:
On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:
What will I do as mayor

I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards.

You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town

Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!"
Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town"
Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P"

Now. Imagine my system

LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for"
Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence.
Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!"


In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia).


Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy.

Say you're mafia.
People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes.

So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO.

In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia).

People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes.


Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused.

Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night.

Firstly, vote manipulation is always done by the mafia. In public it can be done easily. All the mafia has to do is make sure they either vote for other people or push a townie bandwagon. In private, they won't be able to predict who is going to be lynched.

Secondly, if I'm mafia, you can examine the votes a wee bit more carefully. This way you'll have a better indication of who is mafia. See? Even if I'm mafia it's better for you!

Thirdly, I'll accept someone to be the 'auditor' who also recieves votes


Would we vote for this auditor too, or would you be picking them?
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 03:21 GMT
#164
Ok so my one problem with voting for Meapak_Ziphh is that he has goals of expanding his role as MoM beyond the one given power that he has. The MoM gets to decide first lynch, but has no other abilities or benefits, no bodyguards or anything of the sort beyond that. Plenty of past games have seen the GF getting into mayor position and controlling town actions, while having the additional benefits of being a mayor. In this case, our MoM has nothing beyond first lynch, and I think we might want to just leave them to that.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 03:24 GMT
#165
I agree with orgolove in a public vote. Voting patterns are a great indicator of a person's alignment throughout the game, and is an opportunity to sniff out some red. We should never pass on those sorts of opportunities
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 04:27 GMT
#176
On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people?


Someone playing under a different name. So in this case it is likely a lot of mafia veterans playing under obscure names so that we don't know it's them playing
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 04:48 GMT
#181
I've played a few games before
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 04:51 GMT
#183
On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people?


Obvious smurf imo.


Even more so since all of their posts are in threads about this mafia game
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 16:14 GMT
#234
I agree with the notion of voting to lynch an inactive. In most cases they are either a red trying to stay under the radar or an inactive townie who is no good to the team. Either case they've got to go
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 11 2010 19:42 GMT
#263
I've got to go on CSL admin duty for a few hours, so I might not be as available. I threw my vote down for zeks because of his policy for a democratic open vote, and then stepping down since the MoM does not actually have the same level of influence or powers as mayors in other games.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 12 2010 16:09 GMT
#355
On December 13 2010 00:51 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2010 23:28 Barundar wrote:
On December 12 2010 23:12 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On December 12 2010 23:09 Barundar wrote:
Speaking of lurkers, what's up with the people posting plenty in Pokemafia, but completely disregarding this?


Analyze them. Playing in multiple games is a good way to catch players off-guard

Cheers, will try. Wish some would make atleast a first post though >_<


That could be a scum indicator. You should pressure people who are being really quiet. They won't speak up if they don't have to.


Especially the case when you call people out by name. It's always funny to see when you mention a player specifically and then all of a sudden they start posting. Let's try

Hey, ghote, all you've done so far is vote for LSB because of his "MS Paint skills", any other thoughts?
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 12 2010 23:03 GMT
#417
Well chaoser has shown up, and voted for Meapak. Would love to hear more from him, as to his rationale for voting and anything else really.

Beneather, you're just spamming the thread with a list that was already created by someone an hour before you.

I think Pandain's thoughts on ilovejohn are pretty interesting for a first lynch. As much as I don't like complete lurkers and think they are open season for lynching, this whole mayor candidacy debacle should probably used as a basis for who we choose to kill. This all runs off the assumption that our MoM is actually going the democratic way, and not their own agenda.

Any more thoughts who first lynch should be so that our mayor has more opinions to base it on? We are running out of time after all
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 13 2010 00:11 GMT
#433
Will you listen to us if we want anyone other than those 3 Meapak? Or do we have to choose from that list? Just curious what your policy is
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 13 2010 00:15 GMT
#438
On December 13 2010 09:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2010 09:11 Thegilaboy wrote:
Will you listen to us if we want anyone other than those 3 Meapak? Or do we have to choose from that list? Just curious what your policy is

Well these people have been pretty heavily discussed, I added two other names because they were discussed as well. If you find a really good reason to lynch someone else I'll consider it but I'd like to focus our debate so we can fully analyze the situation.


You actually added people I was interested in having lynched, so it's all good haha
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 13 2010 00:23 GMT
#443
On December 13 2010 09:21 ilovejonn wrote:
Btw, I read the rules over again and it says that you CANNOT vote for yourself. So what happens to the people (such as Pandain) that voted for themselves at the end and did not change their vote?


That rule is typically reserved for voting for lynch, not mayor, if I recall correctly
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 13 2010 17:32 GMT
#517
jcarlsoniv, you need to get on that, literally
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 15 2010 02:45 GMT
#844
Aaaand I'm back! Woo, internet in Chicago sucks, but I finally have things up and running in my place again.

Enough of that though, back to the game. If I were mafia, why in the world would I try to start a bandwagon onto orgolove when the obviously safer route is hiding amongst the masses in LSB's vote? I can tell you right now that deconduo and I are not mafia at all, and you should go ahead and check us tonight so that you know for sure! Now that I've got a chance, I will catch up on some reading, back in a bit
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 15 2010 18:03 GMT
#874
On December 16 2010 02:58 CubEdIn wrote:
I do agree, on some level, that it's wiser to check someone who might or might not be red, rather than check people who yell "check us". They are either townies/blues or godfather. An experienced townie wouldn't ask for a dt check on himself unless it was crucial to the game. And it really doesn't seem the case here.

Butt anyway!

I still want kenpachi to start talking.
There was definitely something between him and LSB.
Also, deconduo and gilaboy. I know it's most likely that you're not Mafia (since, let's face it, LSB was dead with or without your votes for orgolove), but can you explain why you trusted LSB so much?

I know deconduo already explained it, plus we had a lot of PM exchanges before the lynch, so I get HIS point of view, but gila's?


Sure. I trusted LSB because there were very obvious hints throughout the thread that he was Snape. The way that annul designed this game, it is pulling a great deal from the lore of the books, meaning a lot of our characters will have powers/abilities/interactions that coincide very strongly with how the book played out. I guess since I enjoyed the books so much (don't judge haha) it seemed clear to me that Snape would play a traitor's role. He is always appearing the bad guy, but in the end is the good guy through and through. So my reasoning behind trusting LSB is because of the hints pointing towards him being Snape, and annul pulling a great deal from the lore in crafting all of our characters and other aspects of the game
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 15 2010 18:16 GMT
#876
On December 16 2010 03:13 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 03:03 Thegilaboy wrote:
On December 16 2010 02:58 CubEdIn wrote:
I do agree, on some level, that it's wiser to check someone who might or might not be red, rather than check people who yell "check us". They are either townies/blues or godfather. An experienced townie wouldn't ask for a dt check on himself unless it was crucial to the game. And it really doesn't seem the case here.

Butt anyway!

I still want kenpachi to start talking.
There was definitely something between him and LSB.
Also, deconduo and gilaboy. I know it's most likely that you're not Mafia (since, let's face it, LSB was dead with or without your votes for orgolove), but can you explain why you trusted LSB so much?

I know deconduo already explained it, plus we had a lot of PM exchanges before the lynch, so I get HIS point of view, but gila's?


Sure. I trusted LSB because there were very obvious hints throughout the thread that he was Snape. The way that annul designed this game, it is pulling a great deal from the lore of the books, meaning a lot of our characters will have powers/abilities/interactions that coincide very strongly with how the book played out. I guess since I enjoyed the books so much (don't judge haha) it seemed clear to me that Snape would play a traitor's role. He is always appearing the bad guy, but in the end is the good guy through and through. So my reasoning behind trusting LSB is because of the hints pointing towards him being Snape, and annul pulling a great deal from the lore in crafting all of our characters and other aspects of the game


Oh, I see, I'm sorry, I'm not very familiar with the books, my girlfriend gave me some tips here and there, and I took that with what dec told me about snape.

I went to mafiawiki and read about traitor. It's usually a town-role, who has the ability to turn mafia (so actually, mafia-aligned). Snape was the exact opposite. He was mafia, but town-aligned, so either way, LSB lied his ass off when he was targeted. There was no way he didn't know who the mafia are.

So to me, it would still make sense to kill LSB even with him being Snape, since he was feeding lies (like going out with RoL, when it turns out he had no powers whatsoever).

But then where does kenpachi come in? He advocated for LSB even before the snipe hints, and he kept doing it even after LSB was revealed. Something's definitely still fishy there.


Ah, my mistake, I meant traitor in the normal sense of the word, not the mafia version, sorry for that bit of confusion.

I have no explanation for kenpachi, I can't entirely read his actions with much clarity.
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