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On October 12 2010 14:12 QuickStriker wrote:
Hey guys,
I realized when I was up here yesterday, it was like page 12 and now in one day, it went 22 pages. Wow, what a long fast moving game!
So I finally took the time to just skim (not read carefully, just skim) thru the pages. (There's no way I can put myself spending hours to see every word everyone said). But I got the basic message and seeing from the voting thread, it seems the majority of people here are voting off Veldril or Masq, even though it seems everyone is agreeing both are red people.
Honestly, I'm not sure who to pick right now, I'm looking over the clues and what most of you said but I still get this feeling that it's very vague.... there needs to be a better convincing bandwagon trend where everyone just rushes off and agree to vote off one player instead of split between townies. That won't bring us victory if we aren't unified as one! Teamwork!!!!!!
Have to agree here, I've almost been afraid to post with the likelyhood of missing something important after skimming. But I disagree with the "everyone vote for one person" because then mafia are pushing it also, that shouldn't happen. Since neither player has a vast majority, I think it's safe to say one of them should be non-townie at least. So I'm going vendril based on I felt his defense of masq fairly weak, and townies generally dont defend random strangers with very little information. If vendril pops scum, it should be safe to say masq is same-line scum.
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I mean Veldril balls...
On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote:
Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa
we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides.
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Why would you suggest that? First off, why protect a potential scum if veldril is mafia, and why tell ghosts who to protect? At least give options. Even if the brute is unlikely to be used that early, I'm not keen on losing a ghost this early.
But mostly explain why we would protect him, because your explanation makes no sense. How about don't touch him, let the other side kill him if they want to, and we fish out who was gunning for veldril/masq. If nothing strong pops up and he's alive, it would be retarded to not lynch him because it would then be 8v6 for one side. That's hardly game ending if it's only day 2.
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On October 12 2010 14:22 Bill Murray wrote:
what has convinced him? i have posted like 200 lines of text on it
OMGUS
Chainsaw Defense
Weak red scumslips
He is a vampire. I'm pretty fucking sure of this.
Hold up bill murray you are spamming. I want to hear your points on MR. O, but I'm not sure I'm following, can you make one clear post of his offense listed like OMGUS, chainsaw, scum slips and uh... why you are sure of him being a vampire... why can't he be mafia?
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RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.
If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.
Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.
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For Masq,
+ Show Spoiler +18 - Glasse, CubEdIn, Nemesis, aztrorisk, Yogy, Neos, spydr, zerroth, Aeres, LSB, pandain, Hyperbola, seRapH, Flicky, Therick, TheMunkey, Bill Murray, coagulation
For Veldril
+ Show Spoiler +17 - Lucktar, jodogohoo, YummyBlaBla, kenpachi, annul, jcarlsoniv, youngminii, southrawrea, Masq, grandmoose, bumatlarge, HeavOnEarth, oddo123, thegilaboy, kingjames01, Lexpar, MetalFace
These list are important. If I die, let these guide you once you learn the alignment of the two.
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I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important 
Veldril defended masq, and masq didn't associate with him. Veldril could be scum protecting himself or legitimate towny with opinions, or Masq is innocent thats all well, or hes scum and it's a much greater chance that veldril is on his team.
But unless a glaringly obvious lynch comes forward, but between veldril and masq, could dissect which sides we are dealing with. But at a certain point, it does become advantageous for a scum team with >4 players to start town killing...
Please go over the win conditions people and realize what we are supposed to be doing here. They are far from ordinary win conditions.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 09:11 Lexpar wrote:Pandain and bumatlarge you've yet to defend your arguments. Pandain: Show nested quote +
Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not.
Show nested quote +I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time bumatlarge: Show nested quote +3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.
If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.
Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. Me: Show nested quote +I'm not sure I understand your guys argument. Everyone should bandwagon with you so that once he's lynched and revealed to be a baddie, we'll know with certainty that everyone who didn't vote to lynch him was on his team? This seems like an incredibly polarized point of view. Please explain yourselves pan/bum. Show nested quote +I still don't understand why hes suggesting that doing what he says, because everyone who dosen't is obviously baddie, is a foolproof idea. I'm willing to bet a big chunk of people voting for masq/vel did so out of not wanting to "waste" their vote on someone else, and going with whoever had the highest votes at the time. What are the odds these guys are gonna log on now and change their vote in the last 4 hours? Because they're lazy or maybe work nights, we condemn them to being on a baddie team?
I've posted a list of pre-switch votes. Since no one seems to care, I guess they still hold some water. No one is band-wagoning. Just PLEASE pay attention to votes, they are tell tale signs of faction mongering unless people aimlessly throw votes on nobodies. I suggest people investigate those individuals.
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On October 13 2010 10:24 MetalFace wrote:Show nested quote +
Character name and identifier, please? If there's a "Metalface" on Bnet, it does a gigantic amount for good for clearing your name as a smurf, I feel. Nobody would buy a new copy of SC2 or permanently name their character just to hide their name for 1 game of Mafia.
MetalFace.607 North America I'm the only MetalFace
Damn, nice try though on trying to unmask a smurf
+ Show Spoiler +
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On October 13 2010 10:59 orgolove wrote:So... you "lurked" for 2 weeks after making an account in a STARCRAFT FORUM. You didn't post even once on any of the sc forums. Then you made your first post in a mafia forum despite not knowing what it's about? Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 07:42 MetalFace wrote:
Maybe this is a dumb question, but when/where/how do we vote who to lynch? I don't buy it.
Alright orgo lol...
What is a smurf, a miserable little pile of secrets?
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On October 13 2010 11:52 Bill Murray wrote:
bumatlarge is weak
Petty mortal, HAVE AT YOU!
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OH YEAH MONEY BAGS$$$$$$$$
Veldril get in line?
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On October 14 2010 07:02 BrownBear wrote:
People who (relatively) last-minute bandwagoned onto Masq (started with about 5 hours to go):
Hittegods
bumatlarge
Pandain
kitaman27
SINiquity
Kpyolysis32
Veldril
AirbladeOrange
Shmotz
Now, I can kindaunderstand Veldril (dude was second in line, that's just defensive voting), but the rest of that list could be vamps trying to bus. Or mafia trying to ensure Masq died.
Although mafia didn't know he was vamp any more than we did until the flip... perhaps mafia really wanted Veldril alive for some reason?
Will look into this more.
I'm happy someone is doing what I suggested yesterday, regardless of whether or not I influenced them. Although I REALLY misinterpreted Dr.H's conditions for town (8 of each instead of 8 in general), this list is still as important as it was before, we just have to be as consistent. It would be best to take out a mafia next, but whoever is the scummiest should be lynched. We should consider double lynch, but it would be dangerous considering both sides just need to kill each other.
Veldril should die anyway even if he is most likely another vampire, it's better then hitting townies. and a +2 win margin for mafia isnt all that much so early if we can read them well.
As for my own defense, I wont change anything I've said. Use your own judgement.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.
If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.
Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.
Below are the votes just before I made my point. They should be important so neither side pulls ahead. It would be better to chance a stab at a team that has twice the members left of the other team to prevent a rout.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 08:09 bumatlarge wrote:For Masq, + Show Spoiler +18 - Glasse, CubEdIn, Nemesis, aztrorisk, Yogy, Neos, spydr, zerroth, Aeres, LSB, pandain, Hyperbola, seRapH, Flicky, Therick, TheMunkey, Bill Murray, coagulation For Veldril + Show Spoiler +17 - Lucktar, jodogohoo, YummyBlaBla, kenpachi, annul, jcarlsoniv, youngminii, southrawrea, Masq, grandmoose, bumatlarge, HeavOnEarth, oddo123, thegilaboy, kingjames01, Lexpar, MetalFace These list are important. If I die, let these guide you once you learn the alignment of the two.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 09:27 bumatlarge wrote:I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important Veldril defended masq, and masq didn't associate with him. Veldril could be scum protecting himself or legitimate towny with opinions, or Masq is innocent thats all well, or hes scum and it's a much greater chance that veldril is on his team. But unless a glaringly obvious lynch comes forward, but between veldril and masq, could dissect which sides we are dealing with. But at a certain point, it does become advantageous for a scum team with >4 players to start town killing... Please go over the win conditions people and realize what we are supposed to be doing here. They are far from ordinary win conditions.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 09:31 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 09:11 Lexpar wrote:Pandain and bumatlarge you've yet to defend your arguments. Pandain: Show nested quote +
Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not.
Show nested quote +I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time bumatlarge: Show nested quote +3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.
If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.
Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. Me: Show nested quote +I'm not sure I understand your guys argument. Everyone should bandwagon with you so that once he's lynched and revealed to be a baddie, we'll know with certainty that everyone who didn't vote to lynch him was on his team? This seems like an incredibly polarized point of view. Please explain yourselves pan/bum. Show nested quote +I still don't understand why hes suggesting that doing what he says, because everyone who dosen't is obviously baddie, is a foolproof idea. I'm willing to bet a big chunk of people voting for masq/vel did so out of not wanting to "waste" their vote on someone else, and going with whoever had the highest votes at the time. What are the odds these guys are gonna log on now and change their vote in the last 4 hours? Because they're lazy or maybe work nights, we condemn them to being on a baddie team? I've posted a list of pre-switch votes. Since no one seems to care, I guess they still hold some water. No one is band-wagoning. Just PLEASE pay attention to votes, they are tell tale signs of faction mongering unless people aimlessly throw votes on nobodies. I suggest people investigate those individuals.
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On October 14 2010 09:02 Kpyolysis32 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 14 2010 08:39 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 07:02 BrownBear wrote:
People who (relatively) last-minute bandwagoned onto Masq (started with about 5 hours to go):
Hittegods
bumatlarge
Pandain
kitaman27
SINiquity
Kpyolysis32
Veldril
AirbladeOrange
Shmotz
Now, I can kindaunderstand Veldril (dude was second in line, that's just defensive voting), but the rest of that list could be vamps trying to bus. Or mafia trying to ensure Masq died.
Although mafia didn't know he was vamp any more than we did until the flip... perhaps mafia really wanted Veldril alive for some reason?
Will look into this more.
I'm happy someone is doing what I suggested yesterday, regardless of whether or not I influenced them. Although I REALLY misinterpreted Dr.H's conditions for town (8 of each instead of 8 in general), this list is still as important as it was before, we just have to be as consistent. It would be best to take out a mafia next, but whoever is the scummiest should be lynched. We should consider double lynch, but it would be dangerous considering both sides just need to kill each other. Veldril should die anyway even if he is most likely another vampire, it's better then hitting townies. and a +2 win margin for mafia isnt all that much so early if we can read them well. As for my own defense, I wont change anything I've said. Use your own judgement. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.
If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.
Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. Below are the votes just before I made my point. They should be important so neither side pulls ahead. It would be better to chance a stab at a team that has twice the members left of the other team to prevent a rout. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 08:09 bumatlarge wrote:For Masq, + Show Spoiler +18 - Glasse, CubEdIn, Nemesis, aztrorisk, Yogy, Neos, spydr, zerroth, Aeres, LSB, pandain, Hyperbola, seRapH, Flicky, Therick, TheMunkey, Bill Murray, coagulation For Veldril + Show Spoiler +17 - Lucktar, jodogohoo, YummyBlaBla, kenpachi, annul, jcarlsoniv, youngminii, southrawrea, Masq, grandmoose, bumatlarge, HeavOnEarth, oddo123, thegilaboy, kingjames01, Lexpar, MetalFace These list are important. If I die, let these guide you once you learn the alignment of the two. On October 13 2010 09:27 bumatlarge wrote:I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important Veldril defended masq, and masq didn't associate with him. Veldril could be scum protecting himself or legitimate towny with opinions, or Masq is innocent thats all well, or hes scum and it's a much greater chance that veldril is on his team. But unless a glaringly obvious lynch comes forward, but between veldril and masq, could dissect which sides we are dealing with. But at a certain point, it does become advantageous for a scum team with >4 players to start town killing... Please go over the win conditions people and realize what we are supposed to be doing here. They are far from ordinary win conditions. On October 13 2010 09:31 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 09:11 Lexpar wrote:Pandain and bumatlarge you've yet to defend your arguments. Pandain: Show nested quote +
Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not.
Show nested quote +I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time bumatlarge: Show nested quote +3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart.
If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics.
Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow.
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. Me: Show nested quote +I'm not sure I understand your guys argument. Everyone should bandwagon with you so that once he's lynched and revealed to be a baddie, we'll know with certainty that everyone who didn't vote to lynch him was on his team? This seems like an incredibly polarized point of view. Please explain yourselves pan/bum. Show nested quote +I still don't understand why hes suggesting that doing what he says, because everyone who dosen't is obviously baddie, is a foolproof idea. I'm willing to bet a big chunk of people voting for masq/vel did so out of not wanting to "waste" their vote on someone else, and going with whoever had the highest votes at the time. What are the odds these guys are gonna log on now and change their vote in the last 4 hours? Because they're lazy or maybe work nights, we condemn them to being on a baddie team? I've posted a list of pre-switch votes. Since no one seems to care, I guess they still hold some water. No one is band-wagoning. Just PLEASE pay attention to votes, they are tell tale signs of faction mongering unless people aimlessly throw votes on nobodies. I suggest people investigate those individuals. Double lynch? Not a thing I'm familiar with; how does it work? And my name was on that list of late vote-switchers, so I should probably defend myself: I wanted to vote for someone who hadn't posted much to try and get hem to react and reveal information (assuming that others would vote for them as well or that I could convince some, which I was working on unsuccessfully in PMland). That's why I voted for Kenpachi, and then, after being informed that I was an idiot for saying that in my post about him, HeavOnEarth, because Pandain was already pushing for him, I figured it was a good person to try and get a reaction from. Then seeing that absolutely nobody else I talked to agreed with this chain of thought, I voted Masq so that my vote wouldn't be wasted.
Oh wait there might not be double lynch my bad
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THE FUCK?
WHAT THE FUCK?
good luck my vampiric brethren...
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Bumatlarge was enjoying a nice slice of raw veal in His prison cell, remembering the good old days. His old cousin always made such a ruckus of Bum residing in that shabby attic, but he had gotten over that fact quite quickly when his first limb came off. 400 years later, a little bit after WWI, bum's vampiric physician diagnosed bum with YFI disorder, also known as 'your fuckin insane'. Traumatized, Bum went batshit crazy that night, flinging bat shit all over the place, and eating people. The Vampire order told bum this was unacceptable, one tastes the wine and spits it out, it was said, a lesson learned when in your early vampire years, along with dont run with wooden stakes. So for a good part of a century, poor bum was locked away forced to eat dead things. Alone. Yes, that's the key word, the most awful word in the English tongue. Murder doesn't hold a candle to it and hell is only a poor synonym. That made Bum have to pee. Rattling his chains away, he rose from his chair and went to the chamber pot in the corner, commencing his business... someone is here watching me pee, bum thought to himself, taking a silent whiff of the scent. The chains were strong, maybe the prey would misjudge the slack when he entered. It was definitely human, his caretaker was not, and had a little more... finesse in his step. This prey was blunt and quiet. The window. They left it nice and open. Bum licked his lips.
"Die monster, you don't belong in this world!"
"It was not by my han- oh how clever..."
Bum was still facing the other way, a nice full shadow of the visitor spoke volumes against the cell wall Bum was near. The moon was hospitable tonight.
"I will end you here and now."
Steps forward sounded.
"Very well then... HAVE AT Y-"
A stake sprouted from Bum's chest.
"Oh come on!"
"That was anticlimatic."
Before bum turned around, the hand he swung his arm behind him, but it dissipated to dust upon touching the man's neck.
"I thought I read your shadow perfectly."
"No thats a stain on the wall..."
"Oh I forgot my contacts! Dr. H, can I get another shot?"
An intercom sounded.
"Sorry Bum, you're dead."
"God damn..."
Bum was taking longer to fade away then he thought.
"Well this sucks"
"Before tonight I wasnt even sure vampires existed"
"Yeah they sure do, along with elves, gremlins and eskimos."
"Really?"
"Yeah"
Bum slowly evaporated into dust. But not before he started twinkling.
"FUCKING SERIOUS?!"
THE END
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Nice work annul  sad i never got to brute, but i handpicked NB as hit and vouched for annul as the count. GG
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