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Anfere
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada231 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 01:24:12
July 05 2010 01:14 GMT
#1
I was browsing PlayXp.com and found a thread about a reunion held in blizzards HQ to talk about balance.

What i got from google translator is that Blizzard invited several pro gamers to help them discuss the balance of maps and match ups and the 3 races. They aim for some long term balancing process but some of the conclusions of this reunion will be implemented in the next set of patchs.

The reunion had 4 parts:
1- Usage of the different units
2- Strategies
3- Maps
4- Open talk about all the other aspects.

The sad part is that the people and the players attending this reunion aren't allowed to say what the players talked about and all the content of the reunion is confidential but blizzard said that they will release an official transcript of the reunion but only the positive points and the stuff that the players liked will be displayed ...

Here is the list of the participating players:

Zerg
Kim Won-ki (oGs. Cool)
Bakoesik (Gerrard.Prime)
Yihyeongju (Check.Prime)

Terran
Gimseongje (oGs.NCYellow)
Yigwanwoo (Ozil)
Yijungheon (DayFly.Prime)

Protoss
Seogisu (oGs.sSKS)
Jeongminsu (NEXGenius)
Hwanggyuhun (oGs.Spunky)

The interesting thing about this article is that it have a lot of pictures so we can see blizzard Reunion room, with the players talking and stuff, the projector with some maps and several stuff.

You can check it here: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=1980356

I'm kind of disappointed that this kind of stuff is only held in Korea (for now) while there is a competitive scene in america and Europe and that our pro gamers could assist, specially that the play style of the Na/Eu community is somehow different from the play style of the korean players.

The game being addressed to 3 distinct community, it is only normal to ask what's the balance problems each community face. In some way it's really great of blizzard to involve players in the process of balancing the game and working on getting it more interesting for competitive play, but i hope this kind of stuff won't be restricted only to Korea and that Eu/Na point of view will be asked for.
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NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 01:20:02
July 05 2010 01:16 GMT
#2
Hmm. They should ask BW pros for what makes a balanced / good game. But all listed were BW players and now are Sc2 players. Where's Maka

They picked good players though, most of the oGs crew.
edit: guess they decided that they needed a new yellow? TT
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Heosat
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia481 Posts
July 05 2010 01:19 GMT
#3
I'm aware that a large number of European and American players were directly contacted to discuss their thoughts on balance by members of Blizzard.
Liquid ftw!
Horse != player. I'm from TLAF.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
July 05 2010 01:21 GMT
#4
darn, wished there were BW progamers, but guess they wouldn't have that kind of time =o
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Midj
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada253 Posts
July 05 2010 01:21 GMT
#5
WOAH! This is important. Very important.

Good on you blizz.
I enjoy watching more than playing.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10113 Posts
July 05 2010 01:23 GMT
#6
well at least theres tester, all i want is my sc1 templar archive back
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gun.slinger
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada258 Posts
July 05 2010 01:24 GMT
#7
On July 05 2010 10:19 Heosat wrote:
I'm aware that a large number of European and American players were directly contacted to discuss their thoughts on balance by members of Blizzard.


Source?
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kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
July 05 2010 01:25 GMT
#8
BW progamers wouldn't have much of an idea how to help balance SC2 - if you brought them in from the very start they could have looked at a new unit and been like "well this will be good against X, bad against Y, balance issues A B and C" but Blizzard can't make huge changes, so its a much better idea to be asking the best players of the game thats actually in question what they can fix and what needs work.
Like a G6
EliteAzn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States661 Posts
July 05 2010 01:26 GMT
#9
Why am I not surprised that even the pro gamers hate desert oasis? ha ha
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Heosat
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia481 Posts
July 05 2010 01:27 GMT
#10
On July 05 2010 10:24 gun.slinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2010 10:19 Heosat wrote:
I'm aware that a large number of European and American players were directly contacted to discuss their thoughts on balance by members of Blizzard.


Source?


The conversations I had with the players would be my source?
Liquid ftw!
Horse != player. I'm from TLAF.
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
July 05 2010 01:28 GMT
#11
This is easy to do in korea, korea is a reasonably small country with lost of very good players so it is reasonably easy to get them all in one place. Compared to the United States which is very large, where are they going to meet, NY, LA? Europe is also pretty big.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
Whiztard
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States241 Posts
July 05 2010 01:37 GMT
#12
good for blizzard, gathering a good source of info for balance issues.

but....is it a bad thing for me that I don't recognize any of these progamers? anyone want to enlighten me on who they are?
when Bisu switches to SC2...... (2014 update: sighh)
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 01:40:36
July 05 2010 01:38 GMT
#13

The sad part is that the people and the players attending this reunion aren't allowed to say what the players talked about and all the content of the reunion is confidential but blizzard said that they will release an official transcript of the reunion but only the positive points and the stuff that the players liked will be displayed ...

They seriously said this? O_o Seems like a strange thing to say outright.

Also, Heosat has it correct (nope, nobody asked me /jealous).

On July 05 2010 10:16 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Hmm. They should ask BW pros for what makes a balanced / good game. But all listed were BW players and now are Sc2 players. Where's Maka

They picked good players though, most of the oGs crew.
edit: guess they decided that they needed a new yellow? TT

People who haven't played SC2 can't help with balancing SC2. Lots of those guys were fairly high tier pros in SC / WC3, and they are all good at Sc2.
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atarianimo
Profile Joined June 2007
United States82 Posts
July 05 2010 01:39 GMT
#14
A little off-topic but could someone translate what the anime overlord that's puking creep on that website is saying?
Anfere
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada231 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 01:47:42
July 05 2010 01:43 GMT
#15
They seriously said this? O_o Seems like a strange thing to say outright.

That's what i got from the translation, which can be inaccurate but the sentences talking about that subject were pretty accurately translated.

So in a balance talk when they say no one is allowed to talk about what have been said but we will reveal later all the positive stuff the players said, i only conclude that they won't release anything negative that have been said about their game.
Immortal or no Immortal, that is the question ! Someone give me a hamlet skull !
Heosat
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia481 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 01:48:28
July 05 2010 01:43 GMT
#16
As Jinro alluded to all players were asked to agree to an NDA so you wont hear balance issues discussed anywhere.
Liquid ftw!
Horse != player. I'm from TLAF.
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
July 05 2010 01:46 GMT
#17
It's great to see how seriously Blizzard are taking the balance.
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firebound12
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 01:46:31
July 05 2010 01:46 GMT
#18
On July 05 2010 10:24 gun.slinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2010 10:19 Heosat wrote:
I'm aware that a large number of European and American players were directly contacted to discuss their thoughts on balance by members of Blizzard.


Source?


You don't need source from the great heosat! :D

Seriously. This is awesome news!
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
July 05 2010 01:51 GMT
#19
I have heard of all these people except:

Yigwanwoo (Ozil)
Yijungheon (DayFly.Prime)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-05 01:56:36
July 05 2010 01:53 GMT
#20
On July 05 2010 10:51 jamesr12 wrote:
I have heard of all these people except:

Yigwanwoo (Ozil)
Yijungheon (DayFly.Prime)

[image loading]DayFly played in the euro vs. Asia tournament, He is pretty good, not sure who Ozil is, poor guy doesn't even have a wiki.
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
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