Godfather Mafia

On June 30 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote:
Side note cuz I know it will come up: Roles were given out randomly.

Specifically, I took a deck of cards and designated X cards to be X roles, put in enough cards to equal 20, shuffled, etc. Then I took the signup list and put it into a randomizer (tournament style). Took that list top from bottom as my new 1-20. Started flipping cards and assigning roles chronologically with that new list. Shuffled 19 cards (no Godfather) with 2 sets of 2 designated cards for the Free Masons / Lovers. Repeated the flipping + assigning process.

TL;DR - it were r4Nd0|\/|.

On July 01 2010 13:15 Korynne wrote:

Idea:
We vote in this thread, roleblocker blocks whoever gets majority votes.
If nightkill doesn't happen, kill the guy. (Mafia wastes a nightkill to get the guy killed)
If nightkill happens, don't kill the guy. (Could be GF, but not mafia)

This way we also don't have to worry so much about the whole like, when you die your role is not given kind of thing. Because if the guy wasn't mafia, then mafia would have had to not use their nightkill to get him killed, which means mafia now has to kill whoever we decide on during the day, or we get to keep more townies around. Don't forget that people can then get recruited later, so they're not confirmed townies, just confirmed for now townies.

Problem:
If we don't have a roleblocker... well we're kind of screwed. xD
If the GF recruits roleblocker we're kind of really screwed. xD

So basically comment on if it's a good idea, and comment on how likely you think there will be a roleblocker in the game. I figure there's a high enough chance, but the other issue is of course if GF recruits roleblocker... which is like... xD No idea what the chances are.

On July 01 2010 13:30 YellowInk wrote:
Moving on to 'how do we win?'

As should be clear, the godfather needs to be the primary target. Also keep in mind that the mafia don't know who the godfather is. This means the mafia may take out the godfather for us. How do we accomplish this?

Activity levels in the early game are absolutely crucial. I don't care what you're saying, I just want you talking.

If you were a noob-level godfather, you might choose to say almost nothing. The mafia aren't going to hit you because you're not helping the town - they are glad to have inactives hanging out. With an anti-inactivity policy in effect, you're forcing the godfather to talk. So the level 1 godfather would be talking at some moderate amount, but the godfather doesn't want to help the town either, so there are traditional tells to watch for. Being aware of this, just like watching for usual scum, we want to keep a close eye on the middle-of-the-road players that are contributing minimally but being active in the thread. The level 2 godfather might be very active to escape any such scrutiny, though probably not spouting out a plan like I am here.

But we don't even force the godfather to play at this level unless we force everyone to talk. Now since we KNOW almost everyone is town aligned right now, we can rightfully expect almost every single player to be active in thread and putting forth their ideas. Therefore, any player that is playing sub-optimally right now needs to be lynched. If we don't get rid of the inactives now, we'll be plagued with them the rest of the game - and even a DT check won't save their face since they can get recruited.

If we force the godfather to be active, they may get hit by the mafia. If the godfather remains inactive or suspiciously unproductive, we'll lynch for it.

Speaking of DTs, yes, it is worth outing yourself immediately to finger the godfather.

Then, once the godfather is dead, we'll be at a somewhat informed state of the game and be able to immediately go after scum. Hopefully we'll take out a couple scum along the way anyhow - but this should not be a priority. After all, lynching a scum and having one recruited from our ranks is a net loss to us.

Lets get to it, shall we?

On July 01 2010 13:56 L wrote:
I want to know what people think about the following idea; We have one of the two masons claim. Given that we have verrrrry likely have medic(s), they can prot him and keep him alive during the game. If the player is lying, one (not both!) of the real masons can call him out. Given the fact that there are only 2 total mafia members today, it would cost the mafia essentially half their team to contest the mason claim. This is also a reason why claiming immediately would be more helpful than claiming at a later date. The downsides of this? Godfather now has a person he knows not to recruit, and the mason might die once mafia kp gets over 1.

If we do that, we have a confirmed townie who can essentially drive our vote; if he's wrong, cool beans, it happens. If he's right; awesome. Either way, it'll prevent exploitable intra-town conflicts.

On July 01 2010 17:15 YellowInk wrote:



This is a bad plan. If I were scum about to be lynched, I'd totally claim free mason to force them to out. First off, the scum have nothing to lose by making such a claim and 'forcing' a real mason to out themselves. Second, the masons lose a lot of their power when they are 'out'. The #1 power of free masons is that when the godfather recruits them, the recruiting fails. This is why I also have to object to L's plan.

If we're about to lynch a mason, if the masons feel it's worth it to out both masons to divert the lynch, they should both claim. This way if scum lies to do so, they're giving something up. Yeah, doing this for the town will reveal our masons, but it's better than lynching them. No sole mason claim is going to convince me of anything - nor should it of you. It gives up 0 information, scum can do this at will.

On July 01 2010 19:05 Bill Murray wrote:


1) don't reference ongoing games

2) quit making up lies, i only pushed for you after i noticed your scummy vote in the RVS. you
are likely scum, so i am voting for you.

On July 01 2010 11:41 Bill Murray wrote:
random vote on a5j until he decides to post in the thread
town interested in a random wagon?

thoughts on voting for double lynch?

3) though I agree with you on citi.zen, he is probably a blue role. Coroner imo. You, on the other hand, are the Godfather.

On July 02 2010 11:33 zeks wrote:
I'm for L's plan. It essentially parallels a set up with a townie mayor.

"Play smart, be active" easier said than done - on both accounts.

Going out for Canada Day celebrations. Will cast my vote for Korynne. It was between YI or her but I'll give YI a chance cause if he's green then he "can" be a great asset for the town. Up to this point I feel like they've been trying to divide the town more than bring people together.

Apologies for last of activity, Canada Day weekend - going out really soon! Just wanted to cast my vote before I left. Let's get L's plan rolling after first lynch.

PS. I am an integral part in that plan so you don't want to lynch me first night. I hope I don't die like I did in HP mafia when I was gone a couple hours and suddenly everyone stacked on me for no reason. Serious. I'm more important this game than the other ones.

On July 02 2010 12:32 YellowInk wrote:
zeks = silent -> claiming mason supposedly forcing us to L's plan?

I don't buy it.

On July 02 2010 14:24 Korynne wrote:
Also like I said, zeks, you should post an encrypted message in the thread, and give the key to your mason partner. If you die and we ever need to verify your partner, we will be using that key to do it.

On July 02 2010 16:22 YellowInk wrote:
I agree with this. But mind you, everyone, that if zeks isn't a mason, he's probably either the traitor (in which case no one will pick up his key - which is fine), or the goon (in which case he'll pass the key on to his team tomorrow). So the key won't hold too much weight until we have a coroner check out zeks' corpse.

Because of this fact, you could say that the key holds weight if someone decodes it since it's putting scum at risk whenever a coroner flips zeks' corpse. However, the tool would still be there for the goon to use should they desire to put weight into some particular argument at some particular time if this came up.