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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-02 06:23:19
June 02 2010 06:12 GMT
#14
I will play. This'll turn out better than BB Mafia, right?
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 09 2010 23:19 GMT
#154
Bad timing for me, I'm just about to head out for the night. We'll see when I get back.

I'm always for lynching L, of course, but all-in-all, an inactive would be the more palatable pick.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 10 2010 02:56 GMT
#170
Well then, I like this plan. Let's put it into action.

On June 10 2010 10:36 ohN wrote:
I'm for roleclaiming to but uh, who wants to start? lol

Me.

Tracker.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 10 2010 16:10 GMT
#190
On June 10 2010 22:07 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2010 17:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
L your plan has some flaws.

1) detective rolechecks a miller and announces that he found a mafia. waste lynch on townie, then waste lynch on detective. pretty much GG.
2) mafia can sacrifice one of their own to fake being detective and announce an incorrect role check result (claim a townie role checked as mafia). medic the first night will probably be asked to protect the "detective", so the mafia get their pick for whom to kill without worrying about the medic block. then, the next day the town will have to decide whether the detective roll checked a miller or he's mafia. It's debatable whether this would be a net gain or loss for the mafia, as they could have the "detective" screw with the town for more than one day.
3) What if all 4 mafia fake blue roles? We don't know how many blue roles there are, so we wouldn't be able to say whether or not the blue list is inflated (and god forbid townies might fake blue roles too) and they could cause some serious havoc (hatters/vigs won't be targetting any blues obviously, so all their kills will be on townies. Also, real detective roles would be checking townies/millers every night (assuming they don't check blues... checking blues would be stupid) which would be bad since that increases their odds of role checking millers.

I mean the plan would be fun and all, but unless you can come up with good responses to these problems (and give a shitload more detail on how blues are going to be asked to use their powers), your plan is garbage L.

Gotta go to work so only a quick recap:

1) DT needs to find sanity regardless of any plan we use. We also wouldn't kill the DT after seeing that the target he calls flips miller.

REALLY poor logic on your part seeing as the uncertainty exists because of the role. I haven't specified a use for the DT (yet), so worrying that we'll hit a miller is pretty hilarious.

2) Ok. Let them lie. If we have a legit DT, we trade a DT for a mafia member on day 1, which is pretty tits given how weak our DTs are.

3) Then we end with 9+ blues and we know people are lying and that the majority of our townies are legit. Mafia are now in a position where they need to lie about their night actions and lie about them correctly. I say no one visited, say, citi.zen because I watched him? Well, fuck, a medic or DT did. Or shit, a tracker watched me and saw that I didn't visit anyone.

I mean, your objections aren't flaws at all. There ARE flaws, but those aren't any of them.

I was going to say. Three weak objections as a guise of pretending to be pro-town?

Also, basically we will pretty much die if other people don't start claiming. I mean, the thing with this plan is that if we don't actually follow it all the way through, it's somewhat of an auto-loss, because our blues are exposed, and we still can't figure out where the mafia are.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 10 2010 17:03 GMT
#192
On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.

But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.

I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.

=(

Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite...

Red flags?

Mafia list:
A5J
OpZ
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 10 2010 22:51 GMT
#233
On June 11 2010 06:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 02:03 tree.hugger wrote:
On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.

But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.

I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.

=(

Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite...

Red flags?

Mafia list:
A5J
OpZ

Because I fail at planning? Are you kidding me. Go shove it. I'm better at watching and analyzing than coming up with a direction. My only time EVER coming up with a plan was Ace's WaW when it was a lylo situation.

But here, Let me point out something that someone else did (which was the same as me)
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 02:16 Radfield wrote:
My guess would be that mafia will roleclaim as 3 townies and 1 blue role, the blue role will likely be claimed near the end. I doubt we have doubles of any role, as there is simply no need with this amount of players, and the number of potential open roles. So any blue-claiming right off the bat is very very risky.


So wait what? Radfield says this...which I say the mafia are probably discussing all this too...But red flags pop up for me?...Ok...That makes sense. He just gave numbers...

Damn, you got me. I pointed out that among all of the unhelpful things you wrote in your post, you also managed to say that the mafia was doing something very standard and obvious. Then, 13 minutes after I made this accusation, Radfield also suggests a possible move for the mafia (albeit much more helpful as it is specific) and you accuse me of not accusing Radfield of the same thing 13 minutes before he said it.

I'm clearly mafia.

Also, anyone who doesn't roleclaim at this point is injuring the town. As I said earlier, we either mass roleclaim and thereby defend ourselves through numbers, while forcing the mafia into an awkward spot, or we half roleclaim, leave our blues exposed, while still giving the mafia room to hide.

Which means that we need people to roleclaim pronto, (L, for example should set an example), and we need to pick a lynch target. Obviously the medic should protect one of us blues, and give the mafia some doubt as to who to target.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 10 2010 22:55 GMT
#234
Also, some people very obviously did not read anything in this thread.

Medics should claim something else and hatters/vets should claim dt/tracker/watcher to make it difficult to target these roles. (In other words, would you as mafia waste a night kill on someone who could 50% be a hatter or 50% vet?)
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 11 2010 02:53 GMT
#243
(Updated) List partially stolen from Meeple who... has not claimed.

Claims:

Ludwig (Detective)
tree.hugger(Tracker)
Radfield
Ohn
johnnyspazz
AcrossFiveJulys
RebirthOfLeGenD
L
Flamewheel

That's seven townies, and two blues, accounting (if we pretend that the two people in there who are clearly lying aren't) for nine of the thirteen town members.

Keep the roleclaims coming!

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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 11 2010 14:01 GMT
#258
On June 11 2010 15:37 Chezinu wrote:
I just claimed above!

Seriously? PM me?

Also, the mafia seems to be doing almost exactly what Radfield suggested they might do; 3 townies, 1 blue. Which means that we can lynch with a little less worry, perhaps.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 12 2010 00:46 GMT
#309
On June 12 2010 08:08 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
radfield why do you think tree.hugger is our most confirmed? because he RC'd first? that's not necessarily 100% townie behavior, because if he's a mafia who realized that L's plan sucks he's the one that set it in motion by being the first to RC...

Because unless I'm some kind of mafia genius, roleclaiming a highly visible role as mafia within hours of L posting his plan would be highly improbable.

Also, Chezinu actually has claimed... pay attention, he snuck it in there...

Also, things to note. I would greatly appreciate some medic protection tonight, but the medic should also seriously consider any of our other claimed blues. Might want to flip a coin to decide, make it risky for the mafia to target anyone. But then again, I'm the obvious target for saving.

Looks to me like the mafia has chosen to go 3-1 into townies and blues. As per usual mafia behavior, these claims are likely fairly evenly dispersed in time. If our hatters/vets have done their job correctly, they're also in the group of blues, which means that an errant mafia bullet and the person survives, or maybe a mafia explodes!

I'll be tracking some mafia down tonight, let's see if it gets me into any trouble...

Keep in PM contact, yes?
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 13 2010 02:23 GMT
#382
MEDIC!

*dies*
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