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kvilx
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Poland198 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 15:47:25
October 29 2009 13:26 GMT
#1
First of all, you are ALWAYS playing on new map, and she tested it at least couple of times. As a result, you will be at the disadvantage and enter some unexplored terrain. This may put you at worse position, but don't worry: most of the time, she won't abuse this advantage. Don't be tempted to use maphacks or other dirty tricks: just scout properly and carefully and you will be fine. Be at least a bit bold and try not to wall yourself in, so she may be lured into prepared strategy you have on mind (she probably won't, but at least she will pay some respect to your skill). But don't pretend to be Boxer and don't try unusual builds to soften her resistance. You may hate standard TvZ with passion, but if you go for any Fantasy build, I won't bet a penny on your victory.

Now, you must assume she is 3 Hatching. Unless she comes from Thailand, she will be 3 Hatching for sure. And if she IS from Thailand, you need to be very, very suspicious before you 'll attack. To tell the truth, playing vs Thai may be the toughest, sometimes traumatic experience, as she will have totally different timing and you may expect she indeed HAS that 3rd Hatch hidden somewhere until it will be too late. So, when she comes from Thailand, be careful and if you are not 100% sure of 3rd Hatch play as if it was 2Hatch (unless, of course, you have some sort of gay rush in mind).

Time for some basic theory: her Main and Natural are impregnable for any sort of early agression, from Bunker rush to in-base Rax proxy. Never EVER do things like that; don't even fake your Bunker rush, or she will overreact and backstab you. Trust me: she always has more Lings and Drones to deal with your attack. She may even have some sort of rigged map to help her, and if you won't be mannered, you may expect her hidden allies popping out of nowhere and destroying your main, not to mention your natural. You need to start off slow, that's what I mean.

You are Terran, and you are first to engage the fight. Remember: as Zerg, she will play very reactive-style game and macro up to Hive tech till the point it may be too late for you. However, you can still comback from worst trouble with brilliant counter: the only thing that can stop you is YOUR OWN BLUNDER. This includes: failed timing-push, misjudged Sunken break and/or horible micro. If you made minor mistake in late game, it can be excused: but early- and mid-game blunders (or even minor slips, if you have less luck on your side) will be surely punished with GG no re.

Rule No.1: You must soften her 3rd Hatch first, before going for the natural and main. This may sound strange, but you don't need to destroy that base completely: just make her feel some pressure, but don't turn it into rape like Flash does recently in TvZ. Be gentle, this is just an event game so don't treat this like OSL or Proleague Final. Reducing her economy will be even more effective, especially when you will pull off some good micro in the process, just to make her will of fight weaker. You remember all these guys Boxer beaten at his prime? He made them smile just because he's been winning is so awesome style. This is your aim: be standard in terms of strategy (not-Boxer), and tricky in terms of execution (Boxer).

Rule No.2: Don't play mech. Mech is immobile. Mech is boring. Mech is about turtling and sitting on your ugly ass instead of acting. Play freaking bio, SK Terran for sure. Even if your APM is lacking, you will make mistakes, but don't get upset by this. This map is not Destination: it's much harder to play secure, and she will find it boring, for sure. In the end, even if you will win, she will turn away to play someone else. Know that she is playing for fun as so shall you. And mech is for ugly wins, not fun games.

Rule No.3: You need to figure out if she is newbie or not. If yes, she will have her natural Sunkened up through the whole game. Breaking it with just Medic/Marines will be grave error. You NEED to put your Tank in Siege and use it. Be a man and do what I said, but take some precautions. First, you need good timing (as I said, 3rd Hatch and 2nd just need to be softened already). Second, brace yourself and push hard. If you made your way to this point, there is no time for hesitating.

On the other hand, if she is not newbie, you ought to protect your Tank against her random Defiler misclicks. Remember, if you go with Siege without any Defensive Matrix, Plague will eat your troops ez. ALWAYS use D-Matrix on your Tank before targeting Hatchery at her natural. You are not proceeding against her, she may even claim her Defiler went crazy and did something on it's own. You trust her or not: doesn't matter. D-Matrix will stop the Plague and, as a bonus, it will prevent her from spawning Infested Terrans later on.

Rule No.4: Don't even expect to take out her natural and main in first game. Usually, she won't prolong it and GG after you will break through Dark Swarms in her nat. Do not demand later GG, do not be too harsh to assault her main. It's painful, it's hard to accept for her, even if you have gosu game-sense. After couple of practise matches and couple good ownages at the natural, she may let you to go for her main; but in many cases it won't be EVER possible. Be a Man and get on with it.

And the last important rule: If she is weirdo and going for some Kwanroll early strike with Speedlings or even proxy Hatchery: DO NOT allow her to overrun you. Fall back. Turltle like crazy. Avoid the fight. Be as boring as possible and as bad as Justin. If she keeps pushing, say GG and leave. This is NOT how Zerg race should be played, which shall lead you to the conclusion that you are about to develop a rivalry with some really awkward player. Don't take this bait: usually, she will be rushing to Defilers with Plague or at least drop you later to get new practice partners. Lags and rushes are both to be taken seriously and shall not be considered as any kind of invitation for rematch.

GL HF

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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
October 29 2009 13:45 GMT
#2
I've learned so much
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 14:11:30
October 29 2009 14:09 GMT
#3
ALWAYS use D-Matrix on your Tank before targeting Hatchery at her natural.

insta 5/5 .

Going to quote this blog everywhere.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 14:25:56
October 29 2009 14:23 GMT
#4

"Rule No.4: Don't even expect to take out her natural and main in first game. Usually, she won't prolong it and GG after you will break through Dark Swarms in her nat. Do not demand later GG, do not be too harsh to assault her main. It's painful, it's hard too accept for her, even if you have gosu game-sense. After couple of practise matches and couple good ownages at the natural, she may let you to go for her main; but in many cases it won't be EVER possible. Be a Man and get on with it."

Dude im confused, are you talking about strategy, or how to get laid?
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-29 14:27:01
October 29 2009 14:25 GMT
#5
The real actual rules of TvZ:

1. The first rule of TvZ is, you do not talk about TvZ.
2. The second rule of TvZ is, you DO NOT talk about TvZ.
3. If someone says gg, quits, or drop hacks you, the game is over.
4. Two players to a TvZ.
5. One TvZ at a time.
6. No hacks, no protoss.
7. Games will go on as long as you can turtle.
8. If this is your first TvZ, you have to bunker rush.

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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
October 29 2009 14:31 GMT
#6
Haha brilliant!
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
October 29 2009 14:37 GMT
#7
WHY THAILAND???
Brood War loyalist
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
October 29 2009 14:51 GMT
#8
against good zergs do not waste time and effort planning and placing a careful drop in either her nat or main. she can just scourge it ez.

also, if you're a dick terran and irridiate her drones she will just gg, leave, and never see your ass again.

if you have no skillz to stop her muta harrass you will be out of the game in no time.

and if you're not good enough to end the game, she will just ultraling your shit to pieces.

just my 2 ¥
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 29 2009 15:04 GMT
#9
Plague = STD, DMatrix = Condom?

I guess this goes well with the zerg = female article.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
KasPra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Estonia983 Posts
October 29 2009 15:09 GMT
#10
5/5, problably the best blog ive read here.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
October 29 2009 15:12 GMT
#11
On October 29 2009 22:26 kvilx wrote:
Now, you must assume she is 3 Hatching. Unless she comes from Thailand, she will be 3 Hatching for sure. And if she IS from Thailand, you need to be very, very suspicious before you 'll attack. To tell the truth, playing vs Thai may be the toughest, sometimes traumatic experience, as she will have totally different timing and you may expect she indeed HAS that 3rd Hatch hidden somewhere until it will be too late. So, when she comes from Thailand, be careful and if you are not 100% sure of 3rd Hatch play as if it was 2Hatch (unless, of course, you have some sort of gay rush in mind)

Possibly the most brilliant wording ever conceived
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
October 29 2009 15:29 GMT
#12
HAHAHAHAHAahaah it took me a minute to get it but once I understood it was brilliant.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
October 29 2009 15:38 GMT
#13
oh wow oh my god

10/5
POGGERS
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
October 29 2009 16:08 GMT
#14
ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLll.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
October 29 2009 16:11 GMT
#15
On October 29 2009 23:25 Jyvblamo wrote:
The real actual rules of TvZ:

1. The first rule of TvZ is, you do not talk about TvZ.
2. The second rule of TvZ is, you DO NOT talk about TvZ.
3. If someone says gg, quits, or drop hacks you, the game is over.
4. Two players to a TvZ.
5. One TvZ at a time.
6. No hacks, no protoss.
7. Games will go on as long as you can turtle.
8. If this is your first TvZ, you have to bunker rush.

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rofl Golden!!
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
October 29 2009 16:12 GMT
#16
why so awesome?
/5
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
gumbum8
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States721 Posts
October 29 2009 16:17 GMT
#17
Quotes be goin in mai sig.
but really, has anyone REALLY been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
October 29 2009 16:18 GMT
#18
On October 29 2009 22:26 kvilx wrote:
Lags and rushes are both to be taken seriously and shall not be considered as any kind of invitation for rematch.
why so srs?
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
October 29 2009 17:15 GMT
#19
On October 29 2009 23:25 Jyvblamo wrote:
The real actual rules of TvZ:

1. The first rule of TvZ is, you do not talk about TvZ.
2. The second rule of TvZ is, you DO NOT talk about TvZ.
3. If someone says gg, quits, or drop hacks you, the game is over.
4. Two players to a TvZ.
5. One TvZ at a time.
6. No hacks, no protoss.
7. Games will go on as long as you can turtle.
8. If this is your first TvZ, you have to bunker rush.

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effing beautiful
English Brood War Commentaries - Please Subscribe! youtube.com/dimecollectorsc... Winner of The "LeBron" Award for Best Rookie (FPL 5)
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 29 2009 17:18 GMT
#20
lol it's nice the way it starts off as a decent analogy then gets more and more random as it goes on :p

5/5 hilarious
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