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@RapidKill
Thank you and everyone else in the thread for feedback on bugs I do my best to fix them in a timely manner.
Patches seem to mysteriously break things (Red Actor Events).
Apparently Mothership speed was wrong again, so I'll be combing through most of the mod this weekend to make sure things are proper.
On that note: since Void Rays are out of the game, Void Ray hallucinations have been replaced by Tempest hallucinations.
@fezvez
Monarch plating is indeed on the complicated end of things (nowhere near the Brood Lord attack chain or the WoL Void Ray attack chain, but still).
The way it works is a permanent behavior on every Ultralisk. Every .125 seconds it does a search in a radius slightly smaller than the Ultralisk's radius for zerg ground units that don't have the frenzy behavior (only Ultralisks and Dark Templar get this behavior). It then applies a behavior to those units that lasts .25 seconds and reduces on the type splash they take by 50%. Note the original behavior on the Ultralisk doesn't actually reduce the damage, it just does a periodic search.
It was only intended to reduce splash damage so units shelling the Ultralisk wouldn't melt the units it was walking over with their splash damage. Hiding an army under the Ultralisk to plow through storms/nukes/spells wasn't a goal, neither was making them resistant to direct attacks.
As far as AI goes, I know next to nothing and questions should be addressed at TechSY. If you want to examine our changes, look at all the galaxy files under the Import tab (F9).
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Thanks RiFT! It's an awesome mod so I just wanted to help with bugs!
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It isn't such a big deal, but here are some more minor bugs:
1) Terran:
a) A.I. does not upgrade Mech Vehicles Attack Upgrades and Air Attack Upgrades (as far as I know)
b) Ghost Snipe ability used to do 45 dmg (15 to massive), right? I believe it's different in the game.
2) Zerg:
a) Viper description says that it can attack but it doesn't have an air attack
b) Roach Upgrade ability that increases its regeneration states that it also gains 20 HP but I only notice the Roach
getting from 150 HP to 160 HP
c) Ultralisk can be neural parasite and fungal growth (not sure if intended for it lose the ability of Frenzied?)
d) Baneling automatically has 2.95 speed at the start when it should have 2.5
e) Also, I can recall when Corrupters were 3 supply. Were they changed to 4 supply for a reason?
3) Protoss:
I'm just going to throw this out here for discussion mostly because I miss the Void Ray 
If we assume the following:
Tempest = Anti-Armor / Seige
Phoenix = Anti-Light Air
Oracle = Anti-Light Ground / Support
Carrier = Capital / Seige(ish)
Maybe the following could happen? :
a) Could we then have the Void Ray back as how it used to be? The Void Ray was an area-of-denial unit which had an
upgrade from the fleet beacon that would increase its range by two. The only thing that bothers me about this is that it'd be a gimmicky unit.
b) Or if the change goes through in Starcraft 2 that Tempest does more damage to structures, perhaps we could change the Tempest to be a Seige unit where it would deal normal damage to all units but deal extra damage to structures. Then we could bring back the Void Ray as the unit that fills the Anti-Armor role. The only thing that bothers me about this is that it'd be like an a-move unit.
But that's what I thought. Feel free to disagree 
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The AI thing with the terran upgrades was a "glitch" leftover when Blizzard re-merged the mech weapon upgrades. The AI was updated to use the merged upgrades, but then we split them back up for our mod, but the AI was still looking for the merged weapon upgrades.
I made them go back to the split up weapon upgrade references (should be fixed with OneGoal 1.18, once that goes out)
I probably actually should make the AI look for which upgrade "set" the terran has upon match start, so they can deal with either case gracefully and dynamically. But that is for a later version.
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Hello again Rapidkill,
TechSy is looking at the AI for upgrades along with reacting properly to time warp and ion aegis.
Snipe does 45 (25 vs massive) as intended.
In the campaign Viper can attack air, so we must have not caught that when patching over.
The Roach issue seems to be an incorrect tooltip, our OP states that it is only +10 hp (unless we changed it and I didn't remember).
I'll be looking into this, not intended.
[Edit: Looks like I messed up a requirement when we added the ability for DTs to have frenzy, should be fixed now]
Another campaign change that snuck through, most of our zerg testing was making sure the new roach and hydra felt right.
After we reworked the corruptor we ran into some really silly battles involving large amount of corruptors (think that finals with Broodlord vs Broodlord near the end of WoL). They were just killing every air unit (except getting out-ranged by tempests) and needed to be reigned in. They are still impactful, but there is a cost to trying to spam out 20 corruptors and just control the skies.
Your analysis is pretty similar to what we had concluded: the caster Void Ray was interesting, but clunky and the HotS Void Ray was too faceroll. Worth noting that the Oracle dps vs ground is much lower than HotS, but if it is attack a structure, that structure cannot attack, train, or research. The removal of the Void Ray is lamentable, but we were unable to get it to a good spot and the Stargate was too crowded. Another option would be to remove the carrier, lower the Tempest dps and increase range, and bring back the Void Ray. Unforunately, the Tempest just feels like a super-Viking in it's new role. Overall it is difficult to make 5 distinct and useful units that fly and attack, there will be some overlap and it got to the point where Void Rays just eclipsed Tempests and Carriers.
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Whatever AI thing works
I see. I only brought the Corrupter up because 4 food seemed like a hefty investment for a unit that could only hit air but I could see where it could be a problem if it's massed.
I just wanted to bring it up because a random person I played with commented about how sad he was that Void Rays were removed. However, it is true that the Void Ray was too similar to the other air units. I guess if I had to choose between the Carrier or the Void Ray as the capital ship, I'd take the Carrier since you could at least micro with its leash.
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I think I may have figured out how to give a role to Void Rays. Bring them back to their WoL Beta existence, including the three charge stages, and the Flux Vanes upgrade, but with lower DPS. Specifically, remove the +armor portion. Make them stealthed when not attacking, so that retreating with Void Rays is essentially risk-free, but the charge is lost. This creates important choices about what to do with one's Voids, as well as micro potential for the opponent to retreat far enough to break the charge and come back with AA to bait the aggro and lift the cloak. The player using Void Rays has micro options past just charging up and leaving them sit in place like in WoL, or click a "charge" button like in HotS.
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I must admit. I favored the WoL Void Ray more than the HotS Void Ray because the charge stages were more interesting than a simple button click to reach full charge.
Another bug I noticed with Banelings...even when you enable structure attack, the Banelings continue to ignore enemy buildings. Thanks for fixing Baneling speed though!
With Blizzard's new patch, Terran Ghosts automatically come out with 75 energy and there is no longer the Moebius Reactor upgrade.
The Protoss Sentry's ability of Time Warp has been changed as well with Blizzard's new patch.
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@Pontius Pirate
That is an interesting idea that we hadn't considered before. If it doesn't have bonus vs armored it can't focus down buildings like before, what does it add over Phoenix/Oracle harass? Depending on if it has a fade time it could make battles pretty silly. One of my gripes with the WoL Void Ray is that it gets worse as you upgrade it, because it no longer has time to charge up before killing units. I believe it was Minigun (perhaps it was a different protoss) who did the test showing that 30 0-0 Void Rays beat 30 1-0 Void Rays. These are both unique mechanics, but I am just not sure whether they belong in SC2.
@RapidKill
The Baneling issue was from campaign weapons, a simple fix.
As far as Balance Updates, we had a similar issue in 2013 where the balance updates that don't require a patch mess up our mod. This is because we are using the SwarmMulti mod to match most of the changes in HotS. Unfortunately, these patches simply overwrite our changes to SwarmMulti when you connect to Battle.net and don't show up in the editor. The 2 paths we can take going forward are to put up with these minor changes every time they put up a Balance Update until they publish an actual patch or to remove SwarmMulti from our dependencies and rewrite our mod to include all relevant changes that were in SwarmMulti (haven't looked into this one too much yet, but I am expecting it to take 10-20 hours over a week to update everything and then another week or two to catch less obvious things). The second option would probably make life easier going forward but might not be worth the effort.
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However you guys get it work is up to you guys
Also, I want to bring up the Corrupter for discussion again. At first, I thought it really had no cohesion with the Mutalisk unlike how the Devourer was with the Mutalisk in Brood War...but after thinking about it for a while, there is cohesion but in a different way. In Brood War, the Devourer would lower the attack speed and armor of the other air units for the Mutalisk to attack them with greater effect. In OneGoal, both units can be used as hit-and-run units where the Mutalisk would attack and retreat quickly while the Corrupter's Scourlings would discourage air from chasing.
However, I keep hitting a wall that the Corrupter is 4 food. It causes me to subconsciously compare it to the Brood Lord. At the moment, though it's debatable, the Corrupter's strength against air is comparable to the Brood Lord's strength against ground. Is it OneGoal's intention to have the Corrupter be, hypothetically, the strongest anti-air in the game?
My thought would be to change the Scourlings that Corrupters produce to no longer deal splash damage...similar to how Scourges were in Brood War. Perhaps, the explosion for the Scourlings could also decrease the armor of those within its radius to encourage Mutalisks to attack alongside Corrupters as its "bounce" attacks would then deal extra damage.
Possible Changes:
Explosive radius for armor reduction for the Scourling could be the same as its current radius when it deals damage.
Speed for Scourling can remain the same (or changed accordingly to allow the opponent to retreat to avoid detonation).
The timer before the Scourling is allowed to detonate can either be the same or changed accordingly.
If the Scourling is killed, the armor debuff would be applied and damage would only apply to the closest unit to the Scourling only if the unit was close enough to have been attacked by the Scourling anyways.
The Corrupter and Scourling stats can be changed for balance reasons.
Again, these are just my thoughts to decrease the food requirement for Corruptors from 4 to 3. I like how zergy it feels in OneGoal when going ground. However, I don't feel that Zerg has that zergy air feeling to it since the only thing you can really mass in the skies is Mutalisks (and Overlords/Overseers).
P.S. I love the way the Corruptor spawns Scourlings similarly to how the Brood Lord spawns Broodlings!
Sorry! There's a lot of fluff! And I also apologize for giving suggestions that are very similar to what Brood War units do.
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I've got another round of ideas.
The first is a revision to Charge. First change it so that it isn't autocast. Instead, when it is activated, the Zealot charges to a specified location at a speed of 3.25 (.5 faster than standard chargelot move speed) with a maximum time length of 3.5 seconds, the same as in vanilla SC2. Furthermore, while the ability is active for those three and a half seconds, the Zealots are given +1 armor. This makes charge an ability that is primarily used to force bio balls and hydra clumps back, without removing their ability to retreat with heavy losses. It also performs much less well against Siege Tanks, greatly reducing the tendency for chargelot-Archon compsto sweep the floor with mech compositions.
Regarding the issue of feeling that Colossi are a bit boring, what if you turned the Colossus into basically a grounded capital ship? Increase the cost to something like 450/250 min/gas, increase the HP/Shields to maybe 300/250, and really emphasize its role as a late game unit. Perhaps the build time and supply should be increased as well. The attack can be changed to shoot lasers out to the sides of where the attack path is about to be, pausing for one second, and then sweeping the path and damaging the units that are crossed. This gives the opponent more of a chance to micro out of its way. Institute friendly splash damage (remember, Colossi are war machines that the Protoss have not used in millenia and are probably a little rusty in the operation of) so that you can't just send in a wall of Zealots in and in in your cozy deathball. In conjunction with the chargelot change I have proposed, this will hopefully encourage a dance of sending in Zealots to force the bio back, and then when charge wears off, covering the Zealots' retreat path with well-timed ranged fire.
A skillful Protoss player will attempt to prevent the high-dps bio ball from closing in where it does overwhelming damage, whereas a skilled Terran will try to pick off Zealots until the ranged units within are exposed. Both of these goals are fairly similar to what exists in SC2 already, but can be performed in a much more sophisticated way, particularly by giving the Protoss player more micro opportunities.
In relation to Void Rays, maybe the upgrades would have a different effect than +damage on their attacks. Maybe each upgrade could instead increase the speed that they charge up.
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Are there any plans for a ladder system like Starbow has? I personally like onegoal a whole lot more than starbow, but it's so much harder to find Onegoal games which is a shame.
I haven't played onegaol in a year and I'm confused about some of the changes. What happened to the mini immortals with speed upgrade and the cloaking field on the oracle? Is there a changelog?
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A goofy idea for BCs. Give them a warp-in mechanic, essentially. Once a Starport is finished constructing a BC, the player gets a message something like "Battlecrusier in orbit", at which point the player can warp in the BC anywhere they have vision. This would greatly improve the Terran resupploy situation for compositions that involve BCs, without compromising the BC's aesthetic as a sluggish, immobile capital ship. Lots of sci-fi franchises already incorporate the notion of big space ships entering real space from warp-space. Maybe this mechanic could also see use with Protoss air units that require a Fleet Beacon, although perhaps that's not a great idea. Plus, you'd think that with a name like "Fleet Beacon", they'd only be able to warp in at the beacon itself, rather than anywhere in a power grid.
I have one more idea about Spider Mine spiritual successors. A drone of a similar look to a PDD, only it locks in on grounded units as a Hunter-Seeker missile would, and moves towards them at a constantly accelerating rate until it either blows up, is destroyed, manually called off, or the unit moves a certain number of squares out of its vision, at which point it stops moving and stays where it is. Admittedly, this idea is highly influenced by IRL drones, which might be in poor taste.
Regarding WM, see my previous post about attack upgrades. Rather than having a late-game upgrade increase the speed of the Widow Mine's rearmament, make each attack upgrade speed it up by about 5 seconds. 0 upgrades = 40 seconds, 1 upgrade = 35 seconds, 2 upgrades = 30 seconds, 3 upgrades = 25 seconds.
I have a question about how the armor system works in OG. I'm a little confused how medium armor works. How does medium armor interact with +armored and +light bonuses?
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Hi Staracroft,
It seems the mini Immortals were made to be ground anti-armor and now have hardened shields by default. They also seemed to have lost their speed buff. In regards to the Oracle having the cloak mechanic, the Oracle still has it but it's now an ability called Twilight Shroud which cloaks any units in the targeted area.
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Hey guys,
So I haven't really followed OG in quite a while now, it would be really nice if you were to release some update videos like you originally did to let everyone know what changes you had made.
One thing I would like to know is, did you guys take this video into serious consideration? and did you make any changes based on it?
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Can anyone who still plays this (I know there has got to be at least one of you out there) tell me if the AI just seems to "stop" for no reason, especially early to mid game?
I think one of the workarounds for the "won't build gas at expansions" issue may have had the much, MUCH worse issue of causing the AI to halt production for a while.
I would like to know how widespread this is so I can determine whether to investigate this after I finished my vanilla AI mod or if this needs to be fixed ASAP.
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I haven't noticed the AI suddenly "stopping" for no reason. But then again, I play mostly on Fastest Maps with Very Hard and Elite AI. I'll let you know if I notice any "stopping" on regular maps. Does it happen with certain races? Or is it more random?
I've noticed a bug while playing Zerg. The Roach's Acid Saliva attack does only 9 damage to everything (light, medium, and armored) even though the weapon says otherwise (it's supposed to do 18, 20, 22 damage respectively). When you upgrade its ranged weapon, it does +1 damage to everything per upgrade.
Also, has a patch came in that you could change the Sentry Time Warp energy cost back to 75? And reverting the Ghost buff (innate +25 starting energy) while bringing back the Moebius Reactor for the Ghost Academy?
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Sorry for the delay in response. I think I have a patch for the roach issue (they were using the queen's weapon damage set or something weird like that), and hopefully David can get that up soon. Also, a tiny fix for the AI where the medium or medium-hard zerg AI was still using the vanilla AI. (not even big enough to justify an AI version bump)
Sadly, the way that Starcraft II handles balance patches means that our changes can get "overridden" by balance patches. One of the reasons I guess the editor warns you about the LibertyMulti and SwarmMulti mods. The balance patch changes don't even show up in the editor. Basically, the ghost and time warp issues are unfixable on our end until Blizzard rolls out a client version upgrade that "rolls in" the changes into the main files.
As you can kind of see, this project is mostly quiet now. I do not have the authority to claim it "dead", but I can say that we have gotten "good enough" such that a bunch of work is not needed. Unlike some other balance/redesign mods like StarBow (that is a great mod too, you should definitely check them out if you haven't already), OneGoal sort of had a well defined "done state" (see the project's objectives) that we could be "close enough" too.
Basically, this was a proof of concept mod, and we have pretty much proven that concept.
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