EPTA Bluelightz Mafia "The Attack" - Page 98
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
This leaves the following people. 1) cDg 2) jrkirby 3) FiveTouch 6) TanGeng 8) Onegu 9) austinmcc There are a few things that bug me. Why would scum rb TG if TG claimed VT? Why did cDg claim cop and check himself for sanity instead of pursuing a read? A few relationships I'd like to point out Austin is basically incompatible with TG being his teammate. He's been attacking TG since the beginning of the game. TanGeng and jrkirby both think the other is town. They have been buddying each other since TAA was lynched. Onegu never liked TAA and even made a case against him iirc. Rereading the thread, TAA seemed almost eager to get TG lynched. Additionally, he said the following before getmoript accused him. On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote: I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much. This indicates that he wanted people to stay on the TG wagon. I can only see this happening if TG is town. Based on these relationships, I think I can remove a few people from the list of scum. Here is the updated list. 1) cDg 2) jrkirby 3) FiveTouch 9) austinmcc Now, to me 5T has been playing extremely pro-town. I know this is not necessarily alignment indicative, but I highly doubt he is mafia at this point. There are a few things in particular that make me think he is town. As I said before, I'm a little unsure about Austin. He could be mafia, but he is playing similar to his town games and I echo much of his sentiment on TG. I'm inclined to think he's town as well. This leaves me with cDg and jrkirby as the mafia team. My Theory: cDg claimed cop to save TAA. He thought it would throw some doubt on getmoript's claim and get people to distrust getmoript. After some point, he realized it wasn't going to work and jumped on the TAA wagon. It was a impulsive move. kirby is scum for his voting patterns and the case I outlined previously. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
"Why would scum rb TG if TG claimed VT?" and the fact that cDg says he received town from his check on TG. Therefore, I think cDg is our best lynch today. ##Vote: cDg | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:25 FiveTouch wrote: Have you ever seen a mafia counterclaim impulsively within a minute, Firm? In my personal experience of playing mafia on other sites, yes. On TL, no. But let's just put yourself in a scum cDg's position for a minute, shall we? Your teammate has just been accused by a cop claim and you want to save him. What is the best possible way to do this? Claim cop, right? If you claim cop, the real cop's claim should be called into question! After all, what is the likelihood of having 2 cops on the same team? I think this is also part of the reason why TAA didn't show up in the thread until a long time after his scumslip. As he was discussing with his teammate cDg about the best way to save his ass, cDg probably told him to lay low while he tested the waters with his cop claim. If cDg's cop claim worked, then TAA wouldn't need to claim. If the cop claim didn't work, TAA would need to claim. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
When Germoript called TAA scum and claimed, the scum's plan was: To immediately (within 1-2 minutes) counterclaim cop to try and discredit Getmoript And then if that failed: To have TAA claim town RB and claim the RB on TG. Like that's really bad scum play. Really bad. Another giant hole in your case is the fact that I've been throwing jrkirby's name around as a potential vigil shot/lynch for a day and a half now. Do you think we are scum together? Your case wreaks of desperation, and looks more like a scum claim to me than anything else. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
Why would I accuse you if I were scum? That would be really bad scum play, too. cDg, what do you think the most likely scumteam is? Who is your #1 lynch target? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On July 27 2013 05:38 FirmTofu wrote: I don't know. This is what I think is the most likely explanation of the events. Why would I accuse you if I were scum? That would be really bad scum play, too. cDg, what do you think the most likely scumteam is? Who is your #1 lynch target? My #1 lynch target is swinging between jrkirby and you. I'm still mulling it over. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On July 27 2013 05:51 TanGeng wrote: Personally, I love the Corazon, TAA, and me scum team scenario. Wouldn't that have been hilarious? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 27 2013 05:42 cDgCorazon wrote: My #1 lynch target is swinging between jrkirby and you. I'm still mulling it over. Okay, but what pairings? Obviously, you probably don't think kirby is on my team, so who DO you think is on my team? Also, if kirby is scum, who do you think his teammate is? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On July 27 2013 05:54 FirmTofu wrote: Okay, but what pairings? Obviously, you probably don't think kirby is on my team, so who DO you think is on my team? Also, if kirby is scum, who do you think his teammate is? I'm still thinking about it. We have a long time for a lynch so I will continue to think about it. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 27 2013 05:55 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm still thinking about it. We have a long time for a lynch so I will continue to think about it. I will be holding you accountable for this. Count on it. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Come around to my way of thinking and vote FirmTofu. You know I'm right. FirmTofu has basically said nothing to counter my analysis. I'll do and improve the case for austinmcc and it'll tie the scum team neatly together. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 27 2013 05:51 TanGeng wrote: Personally, I love the Corazon, TAA, and me scum team scenario. Wouldn't that have been hilarious? Saving this for endgame for when everyone finds out I'm right. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Replacement found! He will enter at Night 3! | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 27 2013 08:53 Bluelightz wrote: Austinmcc has had a family event come up so that he has been tied up recently. I will attempt to find a replacement for him (if possible). Replacement found! He will enter at Night 3! Does this mean that Austin can't vote? How does this affect the votes needed to lynch? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On July 27 2013 09:31 FirmTofu wrote: Does this mean that Austin can't vote? How does this affect the votes needed to lynch? Majority is counted from players not in limbo (everybody not waiting to be replaced) | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Teflon Austin Basically strategy of scum play is to get a scum member to look very towny and have a place to influence town agenda. The scum duo of TAA and Tofu set this up with this sort of exchange at the beginning to get the veterans talking and create an opportunity for austinmcc. Day 1 On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. Tofu and TAA dutifully throw mud at each other for a while. Tofu unfortunately attracts the attention of rayn and TAA attracts the attention of getmoript. However, austinmcc is as clean as possible and lurks for opportunity. austinmcc naturally tries to shifts pressure away: On July 22 2013 08:14 austinmcc wrote: I prefer an oats lynch to TAA I think. Don't believe either smurf is mafia at this point, so long as most of 5T's posts have come from marv. I have not hydraed, by hydraing as scum seems particular troublesome. Some other dude might do something scummy and you can get lynched for it. If anyone HAS hydraed as scum, is that the case? You're paranoid your hydra partner might do something you find scummy? If that IS the case, then getmoript is posting too much/too freely to be the D1 lynch, and if he ever drops the bad cop, worse cop, even worse and angry cop act then that would be nice. and provides PRO TAA analysis. On July 22 2013 08:46 austinmcc wrote: It IS worth pointing out. Honestly it's the single post in your filter that stuck out the most to me, and I think it's townie. getmoript, either/both halves, chat about that post (by yourselves, in this thread, whatever). TAA's post is 8 hours after 5T's post. After that 5T post, TAA has:I read that as TAA actually looking through 5T and getmoript's filters, a "figuring the game out" thing. Do you read this as "trying to be all sneaky and make an extra bro scummy"? And also reinforces not going after Tofu On July 22 2013 09:04 austinmcc wrote: I'm happier with an Oats lynch. Don't have a good scumread on anyone who's been posting a good bit. I'm slightly worried that I'm just punishing him for last game, but I feel pretty good that that's not actually the case, that's he's super lurky but actually was reading at one point or more, and can get behind the thought of "Oats is EVEN less impactful this game because he's rolled scum 2x in a row." I don't want to lynch FirmTofu either. jrkirby interests me but I'd like to wait and see more from him. DrH valuable if town imo, would like to wait. So I come down to really looking at zephir and Oats, and wanting to lynch Oats between the pair. On July 22 2013 09:27 austinmcc wrote: Went ahead and voted Oats. There's merit on both sides of the TAA thing, but I like that post and his response to me as townie posts. The only caveat is that if 5T is town and marv disagrees with my thought process entirely and thinks I'm dumb and TAA is mafia, then it ups that chance TAA is mafia by more than I'd like. It's an added bonus that wading into this mess for others is a bit of a minefield since austinmcc can pounce at any moment. I literally walked into this and as soon as getmoript did his intimidation thing, I was in serious trouble. austinmcc took the opportunity to look really towny. On July 22 2013 11:35 getmoript wrote: I ask because I have like super hella meta on JJD. He's one of like 3-4 people who i am 100% on my meta reads on. All that pressure was to get a reaction from him. I'm fine-ish on him right now. I'd like to see more before solidify him as green but I don't want to lynch him today. Move your vote. Austinmcc is goes to town on me and it's even easier after I back down. Forum veterans have to stop doing this to newcomers. That's sort of the Day 1 Guardian Austinmcc. Deflecting some pressure but ultimately not that successful with TAA and ending up having to kill Rayn in the night to protect FirmTofu. I'm really the reason why the strategy was so successful. Day 2 At this point Austinmcc goes to work on FiveTouch since he is in such good standing. He tries to push his reads and exert influence on the influential and active players of the game. One of the big events in the day 2 is l Austinmcc sheeping on the TAA vote (7th in line) and fishing Tofu back out of danger with a quick series of posts. (way more on this in another post) After that austinmcc continues to work on FiveTouch and continues to defend Tofu. Basically Austinmcc pretends that nothing really happened during the TAA vote. Continues to defend Tofu after having been instrumental in fishing the guy out of the brink. On July 25 2013 23:34 austinmcc wrote: Need to do some more rereading. Don't like FirmTofu as a shot right now: (1) SUPER HARD "defended" a guy who was clearly getting lynched (2) on SUPER WEIRD grounds. I am more inclined to believe actually that FirmTofu really did have some runin with fake-claiming Ace and that was fresh on his mind. I think a TG shot is fine. I think a jrkirby shot is maybe less fine, the conversation I had with him last night was...he was VERY freely saying some stuff that could get him into hot water/make him look scummy. Like, if he's scum, then scum is just saying "I'm townie cuz this guy's posts weren't awful and he scumhunted" followed by not pulling up any not-awful posts and only finding scumhunting with 45 minutes to go in the day because people had been bullying him for reads. I don't count that as scumhunting, and it looks VASTLY different from the last game I saw TanGeng in (as town). To just straight up type those things and post them is, imo, a super mega outrageous plan if jrkirby is scum. | ||
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