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Clarification on my role:
So apparently when I checked myself, I couldn't "objectionably investigate" myself according to the hosts to determine my sanity. They gave me back the only thing I apparently knew; that I was an "investigator". It looked exactly like that.
So I thought I was a role cop because I got my role back. And it would make sense to have a role cop and an alignment cop (to not have things overlap).
But apparently, I could not check myself for sanity in the first place, which is both really unfair and a waste of a check. So that's what happened.
I really don't care if I get modkilled for talking about Host PMs because I've already had one check wasted by them and now I don't know my sanity.
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IDK about this. Why wouldn't you just get a greencheck back?
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On July 26 2013 23:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
IDK about this. Why wouldn't you just get a greencheck back?
That's what I asked phagga and that's what he told me.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
I think we need to drop this before it gets naughty. Corazon's told us how it is, and it won't get us anywhere to niggle at him about it, because nothing's gonna change.
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@marv, dick-move analysis?
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Sanya12364 Posts
@JarJarDrinks
How do you feel about my FirmTofu case?
@cDgCorazon
Question for you, too.
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Makeing a jrkirby case now.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Something like that Jarjar. I'll be a little annoyed at the hosts but that's for another time. Closed setup != keeping someone in the dark about their own role.
VE's not appeared yet, but my reason for Corazon being town is basically this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356¤tpage=52#1040
Basically *as soon* as getmoript claimed, Corazon was sceptical of it. Like, within a minute. Normally mafia will actually have to think about doing something like fakeclaiming or counterclaiming, yet Corazon was immediately on top of the claim. Normally that's only possible if you are what you say you are.
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So I'm really not sure as to who I want to lynch today. I'm confused between JJD, TG, and jrkirby.
TG's latest posting has been really good and he has started to make up for his really crappy D1 with decent analysis and is starting to scum hunt more. With his green check and my unknown sanity, I'd like to keep him around.
Jrkirby's play still looks very scummy to me. I've done analysis of his filter before, and I came up with this:
On July 24 2013 22:37 cDgCorazon wrote:The first thing I noticed yet again is that his filter is only two pages. At this point in the game, everyone should have a decent sized filter. His vote on Oats was such a ridiculous sheep vote. There was literally no new reasoning behind his vote. His N1 consists of speculating about Zeph, and then he just goes back and votes for Oats and disappears. It really looks scummy because he missed the Oats wagon falling apart and now he feels like he has to nonsensically tunnel Oats to maintain credibility. I'd love to hear what he has to say on the 20 pages of thread that has elapsed since he has posted.
I'm going to read his filter more and see if my opinions have changed, but he's looking very scummy to me.
And then there is JJD, who I don't have a very solid read on, but hasn't really done much in the way of scumhunting either. I'm going to look at his filter some more before making a more definitive judgement on him.
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On July 27 2013 00:00 TanGeng wrote:
@cDgCorazon
Question for you, too.
I'm not entirely convinced by your case. FirmTofu's interaction with TAA is a little bit sketch, but the second part of your case (in which you say he pressures multiple people near the D1 deadline) only shows to me what he cared about the vote and wanted you dead, which would be really ballsy for scum to do. If he was scum, he would not have cared too much if you had died or not. A no-lynch is still really good for scum, which tells me that TAA's efforts to drive your lynch home do not have much scum motivation.
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On July 27 2013 00:00 TanGeng wrote:
@JarJarDrinks
How do you feel about my FirmTofu case? Oh I'm still all about lynching Tofu. I just wanted to clear up this whole corazon role thing first.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm not entirely convinced by your case. FirmTofu's interaction with TAA is a little bit sketch, but the second part of your case (in which you say he pressures multiple people near the D1 deadline) only shows to me what he cared about the vote and wanted you dead, which would be really ballsy for scum to do. If he was scum, he would not have cared too much if you had died or not. A no-lynch is still really good for scum, which tells me that TAA's efforts to drive your lynch home do not have much scum motivation.
It's not the driving home of the lynch it's that FirmTofu didn't call out TAA.
It is almost as if he knew that TAA wouldn't show up and didn't want to call out TAA and draw attention.
FirmTofu also wasn't the only one pushing. He blended in with the WoS angry reaction. The sort of contrast between DocH, jrkirby treatment and the TAA treatment is there.
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On July 27 2013 00:15 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 00:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm not entirely convinced by your case. FirmTofu's interaction with TAA is a little bit sketch, but the second part of your case (in which you say he pressures multiple people near the D1 deadline) only shows to me what he cared about the vote and wanted you dead, which would be really ballsy for scum to do. If he was scum, he would not have cared too much if you had died or not. A no-lynch is still really good for scum, which tells me that TAA's efforts to drive your lynch home do not have much scum motivation. It's not the driving home of the lynch it's that FirmTofu didn't call out TAA. It is almost as if he knew that TAA wouldn't show up and didn't want to call out TAA and draw attention. FirmTofu also wasn't the only one pushing. He blended in with the WoS angry reaction. The sort of contrast between DocH, jrkirby treatment and the TAA treatment is there.
Ok that does look really suspicious. Sorry for failing at reading.
I'm still going to look at JJD's and jrkirby's filters to see if they are better lynches.
To be honest with you, I think it would be really silly at this point if we lynched outside of you/JJD/jrkirby today. Sorry.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
2 mafia out of this rag-tag bunch.
Corazon - ridiculous claim + further explanations, host stuff, immediate counterclaim to getmo without thought
kirby - I liked his long post yesterday, but I dislike everything else.
FT - pretty obvious
Firm - arg!
Tangeng - recent posts looking much better
Jarjar - has stuff pulling both ways. weird roleblocker stuff that VE brought up. getmo stuff. Seems to care? So conflicted i can't even attach green and red to him
Onegu - confirmed vigi, not confirmed town. Still seems really dumb claim to make as mafia so we'll bet on town
austin - argument with me looks genuine, townpoints. But at the same time is constantly shovelling suspicion on me when it should be really obvious we're town by now. Also TAA defence day 1. Seems unwilling to reevaluate TG read despite the fact TG has produced a lot of content.
This is a personal list, not a list for our slot, which I'm sure will be forthcoming in due time.
~marv
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@FiveTouch
Who are you looking at for a lynch today?
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
I know this is terribly unhelpful, but I've no idea right now. I need to bounce off VE, he's been pushing you at me for quite a long time but I think we need to look elsewhere for now.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
sorry I'm bad, for filter
On July 27 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
2 mafia out of this rag-tag bunch.
Corazon - ridiculous claim + further explanations, host stuff, immediate counterclaim to getmo without thought
kirby - I liked his long post yesterday, but I dislike everything else.
FT - pretty obvious
Firm - arg!
Tangeng - recent posts looking much better
Jarjar - has stuff pulling both ways. weird roleblocker stuff that VE brought up. getmo stuff. Seems to care? So conflicted i can't even attach green and red to him
Onegu - confirmed vigi, not confirmed town. Still seems really dumb claim to make as mafia so we'll bet on town
austin - argument with me looks genuine, townpoints. But at the same time is constantly shovelling suspicion on me when it should be really obvious we're town by now. Also TAA defence day 1. Seems unwilling to reevaluate TG read despite the fact TG has produced a lot of content.
This is a personal list, not a list for our slot, which I'm sure will be forthcoming in due time.
~marv
On July 27 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
I know this is terribly unhelpful, but I've no idea right now. I need to bounce off VE, he's been pushing you at me for quite a long time but I think we need to look elsewhere for now.
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Sanya12364 Posts
@Townies
Please look at Day1 with the background, that this game is my second game here at the TL forum and I got nuked late Day1 in the first game.
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There is just so much filler in jrkirbys posts, day one into day two he just tunnels oats, which is fine as I was scum on oats when I came in day 2, but he is really slow to switch onto TAA. N2 he has his best post in my opinion, which is why I didnt shoot him. He only has 4 pages of filter where him being here since day 1 is really bad.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:39 Onegu wrote:
There is just so much filler in jrkirbys posts, day one into day two he just tunnels oats, which is fine as I was scum on oats when I came in day 2, but he is really slow to switch onto TAA. N2 he has his best post in my opinion, which is why I didnt shoot him. He only has 4 pages of filter where him being here since day 1 is really bad.
Jarjar's only on 4 pages too?
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