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On April 22 2013 10:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:13 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:12 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:10 Prplppleatr wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. The rules also say that if you release information you will be dq'd, but crank isn't dq'd....it's the fact that they are picking and choosing when to follow their own rules which is most frustrating. Never know what will happen next. That is how all laws and rules work, people decide if they want to enforce them or not. One violation borderlines on cheating and the other one does not. It seems like a simple call to me. this interpretation is so wrong...."people decide if they want to enforce them or not"...then what's the point of the rules? Its not wrong. I work in law and rules are not always enforced. The rules are there to be enforced for when you break them and cheat the system by attempting to qualify under someone else's account. Not when someone goes "YAY, I won!!!".
so you basically just described something called leniency, which should have been applied and wasn't
you are assuming that opponents would have played differently if they knew it was comm...i highly doubt that would be the case
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Not really MLG's fault imo, Comm technically smurfed, and smurfing is obviously not allowed. The DQ was totally warranted, but the bracket and tournament system is totally different thing.
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On April 22 2013 10:16 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. Maybe if his admins did their fucking job and stopped seeding low leaguers and map hackers over these Chinese pros, and stopped lying to players like him that they were in the bracket... maybe none of this would have happened.
It is in order of registration, no league ranking. It was in the rules and huge red letters when they signed up. Map hackers don't wear signs and none of the other teams had problems getting their players into the qualifiers.
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On April 22 2013 10:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:13 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:12 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:10 Prplppleatr wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. The rules also say that if you release information you will be dq'd, but crank isn't dq'd....it's the fact that they are picking and choosing when to follow their own rules which is most frustrating. Never know what will happen next. That is how all laws and rules work, people decide if they want to enforce them or not. One violation borderlines on cheating and the other one does not. It seems like a simple call to me. this interpretation is so wrong...."people decide if they want to enforce them or not"...then what's the point of the rules? Its not wrong. I work in law and rules are not always enforced. The rules are there to be enforced for when you break them and cheat the system by attempting to qualify under someone else's account. Not when someone goes "YAY, I won!!!".
Why are rules even there if you can pick and choose when to enforce at your leisure? Is account sharing in this instance a matter of cheating? The other guy never played, just one and it only got to that position cause MLG decided to be totally retarded about their bracket.
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This is the most retarded thing MLG could have done.
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On April 22 2013 10:16 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. Maybe if his admins did their fucking job and stopped seeding low leaguers and map hackers over these Chinese pros, and stopped lying to players like him that they were in the bracket... then none of this would have happened. If you read /r/starcraft and the overall responses on this TL thread right now, I think you'll find a lot of people agree with me. Sundance needs to get his shit together.
They did do their job. Those that registered and checked in got placed in the correct order. If you want to blame anyone, blame his team for not communicating to MLG to try and get a spot reserved. Seriously this has just gone too far and people want to cling to any argument they can to bitch and moan.
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people here is being ridiculous. The fact that Comm did wrong and got DQ'd has NOTHING to do with other players doing wrong and not getting DQ'd (yet).
He technically registered more than once --> DQ'd. Could it be more simple than that? Dont get any further from that
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On April 22 2013 10:18 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:15 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:13 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:12 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:10 Prplppleatr wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:
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Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. The rules also say that if you release information you will be dq'd, but crank isn't dq'd....it's the fact that they are picking and choosing when to follow their own rules which is most frustrating. Never know what will happen next. That is how all laws and rules work, people decide if they want to enforce them or not. One violation borderlines on cheating and the other one does not. It seems like a simple call to me. this interpretation is so wrong...."people decide if they want to enforce them or not"...then what's the point of the rules? Its not wrong. I work in law and rules are not always enforced. The rules are there to be enforced for when you break them and cheat the system by attempting to qualify under someone else's account. Not when someone goes "YAY, I won!!!". Why are rules even there if you can pick and choose when to enforce at your leisure? Is account sharing in this instance a matter of cheating? The other guy never played, just one and it only got to that position cause MLG decided to be totally retarded about their bracket.
I think the issue here is that if I know I'm going to go up against, say MKP. I know what I'm going up against, he's going to probably fast expand and then macro up and go for an early pressure. If I'm up against diamond league Joe, then I know he's going to have to cheese me because I'll win any macro game. So if MKP joins as a diamond league Joe, my initial plan is going to be off and I'll have no clue what is happening.
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Can't say MLG is in the wrong here. Thing is, Comm shouldn't have needed to resort to doing such a thing in the first place. MLG dropped the ball with having a SINGLE 512 man qualifier.
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On April 22 2013 10:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:16 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. Maybe if his admins did their fucking job and stopped seeding low leaguers and map hackers over these Chinese pros, and stopped lying to players like him that they were in the bracket... maybe none of this would have happened. It is in order of registration, no league ranking. It was in the rules and huge red letters when they signed up. Map hackers don't wear signs and none of the other teams had problems getting their players into the qualifiers.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Chinese players signed up ASAP, were given the thumbs up by admins, re-contacted the admins when they realized they weren't in the bracket, assured by admins that the entire bracket wasn't up, and then confirmed that, no, even though they were repeatedly told by admins that nothing was wrong, they weren't actually signed up -- but by then it was too late to do anything anyways, of course.
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On April 22 2013 10:17 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:15 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:13 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:12 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:10 Prplppleatr wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:
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Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. The rules also say that if you release information you will be dq'd, but crank isn't dq'd....it's the fact that they are picking and choosing when to follow their own rules which is most frustrating. Never know what will happen next. That is how all laws and rules work, people decide if they want to enforce them or not. One violation borderlines on cheating and the other one does not. It seems like a simple call to me. this interpretation is so wrong...."people decide if they want to enforce them or not"...then what's the point of the rules? Its not wrong. I work in law and rules are not always enforced. The rules are there to be enforced for when you break them and cheat the system by attempting to qualify under someone else's account. Not when someone goes "YAY, I won!!!". so you basically just described something called leniency, which should have been applied and wasn't
Yep and it shouldn't have been. Don't try and qualify on someone else's account. That is straight up lying and not ok at any time. There is a reason they have these rules in place and enforce them.
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On April 22 2013 10:19 Elairec wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:16 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. Maybe if his admins did their fucking job and stopped seeding low leaguers and map hackers over these Chinese pros, and stopped lying to players like him that they were in the bracket... then none of this would have happened. If you read /r/starcraft and the overall responses on this TL thread right now, I think you'll find a lot of people agree with me. Sundance needs to get his shit together. They did do their job. Those that registered and checked in got placed in the correct order. If you want to blame anyone, blame his team for not communicating to MLG to try and get a spot reserved. Seriously this has just gone too far and people want to cling to any argument they can to bitch and moan.
You mean like this?
![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044034bwnzvvrb2ajlrinv.jpg)
It's too bad that didn't seem to have worked
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You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified...
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So.. Why aren't we boycotting WCS again? Not only has this had a huge negative impact on the NA scene, it also managed to shit on the chinese scene too.
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On April 22 2013 10:19 Elairec wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:16 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. Maybe if his admins did their fucking job and stopped seeding low leaguers and map hackers over these Chinese pros, and stopped lying to players like him that they were in the bracket... then none of this would have happened. If you read /r/starcraft and the overall responses on this TL thread right now, I think you'll find a lot of people agree with me. Sundance needs to get his shit together. They did do their job. Those that registered and checked in got placed in the correct order. If you want to blame anyone, blame his team for not communicating to MLG to try and get a spot reserved. Seriously this has just gone too far and people want to cling to any argument they can to bitch and moan.
please get your facts correct before antagonising and patronising other people
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On April 22 2013 10:22 .maLice. wrote:
You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified...
because there is something called leniency, which was correctly applied to crank but not comm
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On April 22 2013 10:22 Glurkenspurk wrote:
So.. Why aren't we boycotting WCS again? Not only has this had a huge negative impact on the NA scene, it also managed to shit on the chinese scene too.
I already did, on NA. On the nice side, it further demonstrates KR>EU>>NA, not only in players, but in organization as well.
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On April 22 2013 10:22 .maLice. wrote:
You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified...
Nobody is wondering why he got disqualified. We all know why he got disqualified. That doesn't mean it was the right decision.
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On April 22 2013 10:22 .maLice. wrote:
You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified...
" Break the rules " because you got fucked over or sit out one of the 3 seasons of WCS this year, making it impossible to be in premier league until season 3.
TOUGH CHOICE
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