EPTTbh, the smartest thing to do is inform the bouncers and get the other guy ejected. Or just leave yourself, since a lot of morons like to hang around in the parking lot for hours hoping you come out so they can assault you. That's probably why I don't go to bars. It's like Hi, I'd love to spend lots of money on overpriced and shitty drinks so I can congregate in an area with a 99% chance of having retards.
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
Tbh, the smartest thing to do is inform the bouncers and get the other guy ejected. Or just leave yourself, since a lot of morons like to hang around in the parking lot for hours hoping you come out so they can assault you. That's probably why I don't go to bars. It's like Hi, I'd love to spend lots of money on overpriced and shitty drinks so I can congregate in an area with a 99% chance of having retards. | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On February 04 2011 02:09 Tanith wrote: so professional sports players don't drink.... "opens newspaper to see the football players snapped drunk in a bar this week". and why do you see them drunk in newspaper? because they shouldn't fucking do it. Or do you want to tell me it's normal for athletes to "have life" - get drunk every week? Many of player's contracts were terminated because they didn't comply with the regimen (not sure if this expression's right, but u get the point) | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
<ducks> (Sorry, but the pun was irresistible. Any replies about actual Starcraft game balance aren't welcome, obviously.) | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On February 04 2011 02:55 hoovehand wrote: imagine you pay someone to do something. imagine that person got drunk and irresponsibly broke a limb, making them unable to do that something you pay them to do. a boss in the real world would force him to take unpaid leave, holidays or just get rid of that person for good and replace him with someone more responsible. of course it's different if you work for a big cooperation... most of which consist of a bunch of slackers, making easy money, ripping people off with monopoly or taking easy money from the government. firstoff "irresponsibly" is just an assumption. i got in fights too where i did nothing wrong(and some where i did something wrong...). it just happens sometimes. also i doubt something like you describe is common at all. in any normal job you wont get kicked out or whatever if you get hurt. it pretty much doesnt matter in which situation it happened. maybe if you just work as part time waitress or got hired for that one project but in a normal situation nothing bad will happen. On February 04 2011 03:05 Aim Here wrote: Obviously DeMuslim fell over because of all that Terran imbalance... <ducks> (Sorry, but the pun was irresistible. Any replies about actual Starcraft game balance aren't welcome, obviously.) the first balance comment/joke that i found acceptable and funny in weeks. :> | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:07 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: firstoff "irresponsibly" is just an assumption. i got in fights too where i did nothing wrong(and some where i did something wrong...). it just happens sometimes. also i doubt something like you describe is common at all. in any normal job you wont get kicked out or whatever if you get hurt. it pretty much doesnt matter in which situation it happened. maybe if you just work as part time waitress or got hired for that one project but in a normal situation nothing bad will happen. Nah, he's right. That's how it worked in coal mines during the 19th century after all  I'm sure the working conditions within team Evil Geniuses are comparable.Or something. | ||
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On February 04 2011 02:56 Longshank wrote: No not really. Shit happens, it's unfortunate for EG and most of all Ben but what can you do about it? I bet you're far more likely to break an arm when riding a bike than going to a pub, are you suggesting progamers shouldn't ride bikes as well? Some here are so full of themself. That is how it works in the US. Professional athletes have prohibitions written into their contracts. When you're paying a baseball player 15 million dollars a year, you don't want them tearing an Achilles playing a pickup game of basketball. Then, if they do, you don't have to pay them. As for DeMusliM, I really hope it heals correctly. There's no guarantee with a broken hand that it'll be right again. :\ I don't think it's immoral and "professional" is a nebulous term that doesn't seem to describe most professionals, but I do think it was a dumb move. But it's not really uncommon for someone to make an idiot out of themselves when they go to the bar. | ||
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
Now just get busted for running a dog-fighting ring and it's like american sports! Best wishes! Get well soon! | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:09 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Man, leave it to a bunch of nerds to ruin a thread about a professional video game player getting into a bar fight. Yeah, what a shame. I mean, if we were cool guys we'd turn up the Eminem track on our ipod and fistpump his streetside heroics. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:13 StorkHwaiting wrote: Yeah, what a shame. I mean, if we were cool guys we'd turn up the Eminem track on our ipod and fistpump his streetside heroics. Or you could get over it, stuff happens that you just have to work around. | ||
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Zoex
United States48 Posts
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:04 ondik wrote: and why do you see them drunk in newspaper? because they shouldn't fucking do it. Or do you want to tell me it's normal for athletes to "have life" - get drunk every week? Many of player's contracts were terminated because they didn't comply with the regimen (not sure if this expression's right, but u get the point) You see them drunk in the newspaper because they are stalked by paparazzi. The terminated contracts is from not doing their job (not showing up to team practice etc.), not because of what they do in their free time. If something like this happens again, just lie about slipping in the bathroom, so the critics do not have to get so angry and can feel better about life and stuff. | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
On February 04 2011 01:05 MichaelJLowell wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2011 00:45 emythrel wrote: So sportsmen and women never go out and get drunk then do something they regret in the morning? I know my fav Striker Jermaine Defoe has done that on multiple occasions..... he's been out with an ankle injury from falling over while drunk before now... I could list off god knows how many professional sportmen, businessmen, politicians, musicians (including me) who have gotten into a fight while drunk and not been able to work for a few weeks with some kinds of injury. Its not unprofessional to be human, they have lives that we don't have a part in.... they play this game for themselves, not for you. your judgements about their behaviour won't stop them from doing what they want, nor should it If an athlete goes out and drinks and "does something they regret in the morning", then yes, they're absolute complete idiots. Especially when other people have invested a lot of time and money in you, enough time and money that most of those employers set up very convenient ways to void your services if "LOL I WAS DRUKN LAST NITE N FUUU I BROKE MY HAND". DeMusliM should be thankful that EG isn't telling him to go find another team to play for. On February 04 2011 00:49 FarbrorAbavna wrote: So he should never cross the street either, since there is a risk he'll get run over. Probably shouldnt take a shower either since there is a risk he will slip and fall over and in the shower that might very well kill him with floors usually being quite hard and what not. Do you realise how silly you sound? Yes, you can extrapolate that situation to its clearly ridiculous and absurd extremes if you'd like. On February 04 2011 00:49 Tanith wrote: what are you serious??? basically what your saying is its his own fault for having a life and being out in the real world, so lets say it wasn't a fight and he was out drinking and got mugged on the way home. by your fucking moronic logic would that be same or different to you ? I'm sure some people live in a bubble void of what actually happens in the real world! "LOL HE HAS A LIFE" and "LOL I GOT DRUKN" aren't excuses. EG pays him a fair sum of money to not have a life. You should really watch out getting into forum arguments man, might end up causing some disagreeing sociopath jumping you or who knows. What would your employer say about that? | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:05 Aim Here wrote: Obviously DeMuslim fell over because of all that Terran imbalance... <ducks> (Sorry, but the pun was irresistible. Any replies about actual Starcraft game balance aren't welcome, obviously.) This joke and the amazing good manner with which it was posted almost makes up for the clusterfuck that is the rest of the thread. Well done sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Regardless, get better soon Demuslim! Get your medics working on that hand . | ||
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
This entire forum and this entire community is built on the premise that professional gaming should be taken seriously and it should be a sport. Well, I'm a pretty damn big sports fan, too. In traditional sports, athletes get shitcanned by both the media, their teammates, and their fans for harming their team by their own reckless accord. Ben Roethlisberger was a complete idiot for wrecking a motorcycle and almost destroying his career. Frank Mir was a complete idiot for driving a motorcycle and almost getting himself killed. Most professional athletes sign contracts that do not let them drive motorcycles because it is a calculated risk that professional sports clubs are not willing to take. Based on what everybody has told me so far, competitive gamers would not be endangering themselves and their livelihood by driving a motorcycle because "live a little, Mike!" No. That's not how it works. I don't have a problem with people drinking. My problem was that people are going into this thread and basically excusing shitty behavior because "LOL I WAS DRUKN". Drinking is not the variable here. It just happened to be what DeMusliM was doing when he got injured. If this thread was "DeMusliM breaks hand playing basketball" or "DeMusliM breaks hand punching wall", it would have been equally as stupid. Several years back, the Warcraft III player Moon broke his hand after he "got into an accident in the hotel lobby of the Ramada Hotel. The result of the accident was a broken arm to the Korean player, who was rushed to the hospital." Was that stupid? No. It happens. It was an accident. "Getting into a fight at the bar" was not an accident because DeMusliM made the conscious decision to go to that bar and put himself in a position of calculated risk. By the words of the people posting in this thread, he made a calculated risk. On February 04 2011 01:43 gparent wrote: People who are claiming this cannot possibly happen if you are careful probably haven't been outside on their own in the first place. I don't know if you ever went to a bar, Michael, but you don't have to start a fight for it to happen to you. In extreme cases, someone looking for one will get it, no matter how "professional" you are about it. On February 04 2011 02:04 Tanith wrote: I'l happily debate otherwise if/when the facts are known as to how the fight happened, i seriously doubt he was out on the town randomly picking fights with people (thats stupid) but a fight kicking off and defending yourself or perhaps sticking up for friends (who knows) is not stupid at all, we've all been there, go for a night out where I live and you'll see it happening in every fuckin pub! If Team EG has anyone associated with their organization who knows what they're doing, there's a clause somewhere in DeMusliM's contract (or working agreement or whatever) that they could void his services for something like this. Are they going to use it on the first strike? It doesn't look that way. Could they have? Absolutely. DeMusliM made a calculated risk and, at best, he's going to pay for it by losing critical practice time. At worst, the hand may not heal properly and his career may be over. You guys are all telling me that I need to lighten up and need to understand that "it happens". No, I'm just being consistent. I'm taking what I know about sports and applying it to a similar amateur-pro endeavor. I don't care if you're a professional athlete or a competitive gamer or some guy working forty hours a week driving a truck. If it's your job, treat it like it's your job. Don't throw your hands up in the air and say "it happens". And likewise goes for the entire competitive gaming scene. If competitive gaming is your job, you treat it like your job. ondik alluded to it earlier in the thread: You can't claim "e-sports is serious business" and then claim it's okay for someone to put their livelihood in that business at risk in the name of "living it up a little". Fans, owners, and teammates in professional sports don't tolerate it. The only reason I can see people on TeamLiquid tolerating it is because the community is so tight-knit with a number of these guys. I'm quite new to these boards. Nothing the pro gamer community on this forum has done suggests to be they're bad people. Nothing. But business is business and I'm looking at this from a business perspective. From a business perspective, DeMusliM did the wrong thing. | ||
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kataa
United Kingdom384 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:02 StorkHwaiting wrote: Drunken brawls and bar fights aren't funny, cute, honorable, or natural. They're fucking retarded and I've seen people die in them. I think it's sad that the UK has a culture where they think it's a cool/manly/hilarious thing to do. People can die from a single punch. Why the fuck in this day and age would you think it's cool to still act like a caveman and flail your limbs around trying to hurt people? I've spent 70% of my life in the UK and the rest in America, and I can say despite the huge amount of drunken violence here I still feel much safer in the UK. While I don't defend rampant acts of vandalizism or idiocy, there are points where people need to get punched in the face. Whatever some upper class politicians here will tell you, England and Scotland have long histories of brawling, it's been part of the 'pub' culture for a very long time. I can also tell you I feel ALOT safer here than in the USA. You know why? Very few people here actually get killed as a result of drunken assaults, if you compare it to say gun crime in the states, or drug related stuff in central London and Manchester. We can apply the 'why in this day and age X' to an awful lot of human activity. I don't mean to engage in American bashing (as I am one) but seriously, can any of us comment on the violent culture of another society? We're armed to the goddamn teeth. Talking about the danger of a culture where barfights can be perceived as normal while living in a place where all my friends and family own hand guns just feels like too much of a 'log in thine own eye' kinda deal. I'm not trying to change the debate the debate to guncontrol, I'm just saying that every nation has it's own 'eccentricities' and UK (and Ireland's) obsession with barfights is one of them. You can do much, much worse. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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FranzP
France270 Posts
On February 04 2011 03:11 Jibba wrote: That is how it works in the US. Professional athletes have prohibitions written into their contracts. When you're paying a baseball player 15 million dollars a year, you don't want them tearing an Achilles playing a pickup game of basketball. Then, if they do, you don't have to pay them. As for DeMusliM, I really hope it heals correctly. There's no guarantee with a broken hand that it'll be right again. :\ I don't think it's immoral and "professional" is a nebulous term that doesn't seem to describe most professionals, but I do think it was a dumb move. But it's not really uncommon for someone to make an idiot out of themselves when they go to the bar. Not only in the US, i think it's everywhere. If you're a high level athlete you don't go around trying to break your limbs, I'm not saying that's what happen, but you don't need to earn 15 million dollars a year to be yelled at, or put on the bench or fired, if you can't play because you weren't careful enough. Anyway, good luck to him, and let's hope the rehabilitation goes well. | ||
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