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Hopeless1der
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Clarity_nl
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iamperfection
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On November 16 2012 07:59 Hopeless1der wrote: fine, i like lurking, you happy now? marvs right just post your case when its done. | ||
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On November 14 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah.... making a case on Darth isn't working, which I think in itself says a lot. If you guys somehow haven't noticed. Take a look at Darth's filter. It's basically a bunch of one-liners, jokes, the occasional null read on others. It doesn't actually help town. The only things that stand out in his filter are him voting for SnB with the comment "so retarded" (which apparantly is a null tell, judging by his previous games, he throws the word around a lot) After I jump on the SnB wagon, he votes for me without explaining. Later on he quotes his own post of him voting for me and explains why, after I explain my reasoning he quickly unvotes me and hops back on SnB. He then claims he's just "throwing his vote around", but he doesn't ask questions or make comments about me or SnB. Then why vote for him? Because if it was to pressure, why wouldn't he actually explain why he's voted this way or ask questions? You either vote to lynch or you vote to pressure. But Darth's vote was.... neither? ##Vote DarthPunk Case isn't really working, but he votes DP anyways. He's already addressed this, in response to Hapa: On November 14 2012 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: @ Hapa What I meant was: "I'm having trouble making a case on him" The reason I said this was because that actually speaks volumes about how he's been playing. 3 pages of filter and nothing to go on, even when you look closely. I didn't find some "scum gem" in one of his posts and started from there. I had a gut feeling and when I looked into him I found nothing that makes him town or scum, and that's concerning to me. I did provide analysis. The back and forth between Clarity and Hapa has been kind of meh. I'm looking for connections that may not exist, but Hapa later votes for DP when Darth makes a case on Clarity but doesn't vote. DP explicitly said he would make a case on clarity: On November 15 2012 01:20 DarthPunk wrote: Clarity Is a gut scum read. I couldn't tell you exactly why. but something is off. I plan to look through clarities filter when I get up. Its bad of him to not vote for his scum read, but good of him to provide the case he said he would. It was also really close to deadline so the chances of swinging votes onto a new case was unlikely. On November 15 2012 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv you're gonna have to tell me what this quiz thing was, or maybe refer me to where you did it in another game? I'm intrigued. @ Darth You're not getting lynched today, if you had read the thread you would know this. Clarity's vote was on DarthPunk at this point. How do you screw this up? On November 15 2012 01:33 Clarity_nl wrote: I just realized I got DP and BH mixed up big time. I said DP isn't getting lynched today and that's completely false... TT Back in 3.5 hours or so. Night DP. On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn? Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless? I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it. When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt. That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me. So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate. I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say? The consolidation reasoning between me and debears is really shitty. He doesn't care who dies, but would prefer me, because Hapa is unlikely to die while pushing debears and they get to push his mislynch after mine On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote: I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town? This post rubs me the wrong way, its twisting DP's response. DP didn't want to give town lies/false information. That's a townie sentiment. Staying alive is great, but if it costs you your credibility or doesn't actually catch scum, its not useful. On November 15 2012 06:07 Clarity_nl wrote: That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't. I basically disagree with this conclusion On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote: Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases? Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine. On November 15 2012 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them. I could see him being complacent, considering he's not up for the lynch, but these posts are kind of filler. They helped push me to get off the hook, but he didn't really need to tell me to do this. On November 15 2012 07:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts. Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand: I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS. 180 on his read concerning me/debears. Could be legit, but it took a while for him to say it. Meanwhile, his vote has been parked on DP for ages On November 15 2012 08:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Debears your case boils down to: "Hapa hasn't posted a meta read so the rest of his case doesn't matter" Have you considered that your town and scum meta D1 are rather similar, so there is no meta read to be made? Debears was 100% right to demand this of Hapa. Weak connection tell. On November 15 2012 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote: I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat. That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense. I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist. ##Unvote ##Vote Z-BosoN Blind Sheep, no accountability in his actions. "propensity" Despite all that time revising his read between me and debears, his vote finally moves so he can sheep Marv's case On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote: I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now. @ Hapa Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. "My scumreads aren't important." On November 15 2012 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, well first off unvote Blazing because that's not happening. Read Hapa's cases, debears responses and cases on hopeless. Read marv's case on zbo. Your choices currently are: debears, hopeless, zbo On November 15 2012 10:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Blazing, get your vote somewhere useful. Z-Boson, get your vote somewhere. On November 15 2012 10:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Starting to feel that way. I'm having a hard time explaining why though. On November 15 2012 10:55 Clarity_nl wrote: We're not killing debears. We're killing either zbo or you, so you better vote zbo. Unless you're superawesometown who sacrifices himself for the sake of town. I'd buy that. On November 15 2012 10:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Well, at least we'll have lots of information to look over when this shitstorm is over. Lots of summarizing the current events without doing anything useful. Re-read his filter leading up to the lynch. He keeps redirecting people to vote the latest bandwagon, fueling the chaos. When its finally Hapa, he's finally had enough of the last-minute shenanigans On November 15 2012 10:57 Clarity_nl wrote: No, this is terrible. 3 minutes before lynch and a hapa wagon has started. No one has made a good case on him all day. On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit? On November 15 2012 11:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Blazinghand, before I forget, in the last hour of night I'd like you to post your night action. Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics. Clarity isn't seen pushing his own reads, just commenting on the fact that they're still there and he's considering the consolidation targets. Other than that, his filter is full of small queries for everyone flitting in and out of the thread. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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Clarity_nl
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You've pointed out some inconsistencies, but you have failed how they are scum motivated at all. In fact, my mistake of mixing up Darth and Blazing... you don't even actually say anything about it. You're saying that I, as scum, would mix those two up on purpose? To what end? You quote me asking BH to post his night action in the last hour, and you comment on it "Like we'd ever forget about BH and his craaazeee antics." What do you even mean? Darth wasn't getting lynched, marv posted a case I agreed with. People like the word "sheeping" too much, but if you want to use it so badly, yes, I sheeped onto marv. My scumreads ARE important, but it's called consolidating for a reason. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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Hopeless1der
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On November 16 2012 08:19 Clarity_nl wrote: I was the voice of fucking reason during the final hour, yet you accuse me of "fueling the chaos" I respectfully disagree. My case is there. General tone is not actually attempting to scumhunt, its to look active. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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On November 16 2012 08:22 Hopeless1der wrote: I respectfully disagree. My case is there. General tone is not actually attempting to scumhunt, its to look active. I don't scumhunt during the last hour. I try to get everyones shit together and consolidate on a lynch. This gives us the most information to use the following day. I don't like last minute shenanigans. I actively discouraged them. Please post your case again and add how my actions are scum motivated. | ||
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marvellosity
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Not sure what i make of the case itself, whether it's genuine or not. Some of it is silly like mixing names up. Why does that have to be scummy? The quote where it says "my scumreads aren't important" Clarity in that quote was saying that he would address DarthPunk's case ON Clarity, as Clarity wasn't getting lynched day 1, which isn't the same thing at all. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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Lot of mixed signals in hopeless. I'll try and see if I can get a better answer for you. | ||
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iamperfection
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marvellosity
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On November 15 2012 11:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Is it bad of me that I still feel that was fucking dumb as shit? this is the only thing that gives me pause about Clarity really. Maybe it's just a different type of personality but if you're lynching scum day 1, i don't give a shit how it went down, i'm just really happy it happened. like... it all kinda was a bit dumb as shit, but i'd expect it to be said in a more joking manner. | ||
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marvellosity
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Clarity_nl
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iamperfection
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On November 16 2012 08:30 Clarity_nl wrote: It was a joking manner, but I don't take it back, that lynch was dumb as shit. it was awesome | ||
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