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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On November 02 2011 21:34 KwarK wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25902&find=unread I sighed. You made my morning, KwarK. One of the defining characteristics of EVE: people are fucking terrible at basic economic thought. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
I'm posting this so that people can correct me. An increase in the amount of isk in EVE is generally reflected by an increase in PLEX prices. Every month, pilots have to make the decision of paying real money for their account or paying isk for a PLEX. For many people, this decision is easy, but for others who make only about 300-500m per month, the decision can be a tough one. An influx of isk shifts the decision towards "buy a PLEX" for a bunch of pilots, increasing the amount of demand for PLEX, pushing up the quantity sold and the price. CCP have run the 13-PLEX promotion recently. This makes buying PLEX from CCP a better deal than before, which increases the supply of PLEX to the market, increasing PLEX volume and decreasing PLEX price. Now CCP have introduced the "alt character for 6 months" promotion, which is increasing PLEX demand. People are also resubbing (only anecdotal evidence for this) and that's increasing demand even further. For PLEX prices to fall once again, we'd need to see one of a few things: - Incursions eliminated - People unsubbing - The real world economy improving (lol) - Isk sinks that aren't completely awful EDIT: does botting inflate PLEX prices? Riddle me that. | ||
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DiracMonopole
United States1555 Posts
EDIT: does botting inflate PLEX prices? Riddle me that. Yes, bots consume plex and poop out isk. (At least the missioning and sanctum bots) | ||
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KwarK
United States43350 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:23 motbob wrote: ... CCP have run the 13-PLEX promotion recently. This makes buying PLEX from CCP a better deal than before, which increases the supply of PLEX to the market, increasing PLEX volume and decreasing PLEX price. Now CCP have introduced the "alt character for 6 months" promotion, which is increasing PLEX demand. People are also resubbing (only anecdotal evidence for this) and that's increasing demand even further. ... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the plex prices started going up DURING the 13 plex promotion. Lately, they've definitely spiked but I think that it started earlier than that, and probably even before the new alt promotion. Definitely have to look up the 3, 6, and 12 month prices next time I log on. | ||
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KwarK
United States43350 Posts
I warped at 0 to a huginn, cane, cynabal, stiletto, pest, sleipnir to start off a fight with just a tengu (and a hatchery rifter) backup. We killed the huginn, cane, pest and should have got a cynabal but got unlucky. Unfortunately I couldn't get the longpointing stiletto off me and eventually the pest ran me down and neuted me out because it had cap boosters to keep on mwding whereas I didn't and had been cynabal neuted pretty hard. Still, an impressive win, given the circumstances. http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10930302 We then attacked Romanian Legion in EC-. I say attacked but actually they figured that since they had 6 bcs, a recon, a logi, a hac and a bunch of t2 frigs they'd warp to our ingate as we jumped. Our brand new rifter suicided himself immediately but Karah, Valenius and I stuck together and webbed out all the tackle frigs. We then forced the scimmy off the field, dropped the rapier, killed the vaga and almost killed the cynabal as the rest of their fleet ran. Two drakes and a tengu against about 15 guys. Fuck yeah. http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10930398 | ||
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Mandini
United States1717 Posts
On November 03 2011 03:44 KwarK wrote: Karah and I, and later Valenius too, attacked some pretty stupid stuff today. I warped at 0 to a huginn, cane, cynabal, stiletto, pest, sleipnir to start off a fight with just a tengu (and a hatchery rifter) backup. We killed the huginn, cane, pest and should have got a cynabal but got unlucky. Unfortunately I couldn't get the longpointing stiletto off me and eventually the pest ran me down and neuted me out because it had cap boosters to keep on mwding whereas I didn't and had been cynabal neuted pretty hard. Still, an impressive win, given the circumstances. http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10930302 We then attacked Romanian Legion in EC-. I say attacked but actually they figured that since they had 6 bcs, a recon, a logi, a hac and a bunch of t2 frigs they'd warp to our ingate as we jumped. Our brand new rifter suicided himself immediately but Karah, Valenius and I stuck together and webbed out all the tackle frigs. We then forced the scimmy off the field, dropped the rapier, killed the vaga and almost killed the cynabal as the rest of their fleet ran. Two drakes and a tengu against about 15 guys. Fuck yeah. http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10930398 Anyone know where romanian legion came from? It seems like they think they are the new gate campers of ec-, but they are as bad as, if not worse than, the cfc campers. | ||
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KwarK
United States43350 Posts
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ShoreT
United States489 Posts
On November 02 2011 22:39 motbob wrote: Hmm, I think the Kestral kill was just a fluke. I've been in Jita with all kinds of expensive shit in my frigate and I've never gotten ganked. Next time I guess use an insta in conjunction with your frigate, or use a dram, or both. I've afked so many times on gates with magnates or unranked haulers with 500M and never gotten ganked once. Perhaps I'm just kind of lucky. Also motbob / Kwark would you guys be interested in having my indy alt (for phree of course)? PM me. | ||
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Byzantium
United States423 Posts
I guess if that whole Delve thunderdome thing extends to PB and theytukdersov, like many similar outfits before them they'll have to move to lowsec to regroup. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19180 Posts
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On November 02 2011 21:46 Warri wrote: http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10929814 le sigh, are you retarded or what. How in hell did you think 2 small extenders are gonna achieve ANYTHING? Are the constant mails i keep posting with idiots that suciide like you not enough warning? Just 2 days ago i posted the 4b velator, and you still go and try to top that? At least he's better at flying vagabonds than moving expensive things oh wait | ||
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ShoreT
United States489 Posts
Eve was first introduced to TL and we were a part of TCSI, some of us lived in Stain for awhile. While in Stain, we were allied with the Romanians. As the g00ns and etc. kicked BOB out of delve, the "romulans" as they were called back then tried to get sov in some systems in PB. I think they have had Sov on and off since then. | ||
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Mandini
United States1717 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:19 tofucake wrote: Yeah they have sov in the ass end of the southwest. Also last night when I left the idiot brigade roam I flew through 4 of their camps with only some minor heat damage and missing a bit of shields. So bad. Drawing the rapier that i was stalking off of his safe off the torrinos gate  | ||
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s0Li
United States406 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:19 tofucake wrote: Also last night when I left the idiot brigade roam. You're so cute tofu! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1thKc.gif) | ||
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Mandini
United States1717 Posts
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
As I land on gate, I see a Heretic pop up on dscan, at which I conclude I'm quite fucked (odds of "solo heretic" are, in personal experience, quite low). He immediately bubbles, I lock him up, point/web, game on. Luckily, I had loaded CN thunders, and the first volley smacked the Heretic for 1800-ish damage. I start burning out of the bubble, and the second volley takes him out. Crow decloaks. Unfortunately, an interceptor runs down a Drake easily, and even worse, it has a scram (why????). I web it, and prepare to face it in a glorious duel to the death. But this is not to be, as a dishonour Falcon decloaks and jams me, at which point Kwark helpfully advises me to self-destruct. Alas, I do not have the time, since a pack of feral Canes and Vagabonds come to assault me, and a second Heretic appears to ensure my pod express home. gf (That Drake had about 70 kills to its name. RIP brave honourwarrior o7) ** I join up with the Saranen crowd, waiting to fight an FA gang consisting of many Canes and whatnot, while some PODLA people come from Taisy to join us. Our plan's timetable is moved up by the announcement that said FA gang is beginning to leave. Before arriving in EC-, Kwark and Karah attempt to 'bait' a rather small (5-7 man) Spacemonkey's camp, presuming that the giant FA cane army will come in to save the day. What really happens is they end up murdering a Vagabond, Fatal Ascension never arrives, and they scatter, leaving us to ungentlemanly blob the last man on the field... We cruise on over to FA headquarters, looking for a fight. Eventually we find the remnants of the FA gang camping the path to Goonland. We have 8 BCs, a Zealot, and a Tengu. They have 11 BCs, Lachesis (hello obvious primary), and 3 Scimmis. It is, perhaps, going to become ugly, as overheated Lachesis scrams will be a huge issue if its not taken care of quickly. Luckily the Lachesis is armor tanked and he dies in a fire. Their gang has little in the way of tackle after that point, so the initial burnout is accomplished with no losses (rifter pilots don't count because they aren't people anyways), their poorly positioned battlecruisers are chased down and killed, and the enemies eventually make the call to deaggress and jump. Mandini carries out podding duty. Michael fails to catch any scimmis on the other side. Bonus round - some FA member, having escaped the carnage, manages to get caught on the way back home, gfgf: http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10998036 ** We head back to EC-, where a sizable camp is reported. With some nice probing we manage to get the jump onto one of their harbs before they warp on us. Luckily, none of us manage to get caught by the Mordus Angels' secret weapon, the nano-ODI brick cyclone, and from there, its a matter of seeing what we can kill before they leave the field. Bonus round - some guy warps to Torrinos, presumably expecting friendly forces to be camping the always-bubbled gate. Instead, he dies: http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11003579. gfgf | ||
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Byzantium
United States423 Posts
Okay so we're not always glorious. BUT! Today when asked to ensure the safety of the battlecruisers by direct suicide into the midst of the enemy fleet, all three of our rifters took up the mantle For The Swarm! and agreed to burn into the direct middle of the FA blob to ensure the Lachesis could be neutralized, directly in the center of a heretic's bubble, thus knowing they were throwing away not only their ship, but also their pod in heroic warriordom. Furthermore, after this crucial maneuver which cost the pod (and cerebral accelerator) of one of us, the sheer speed and grace of the Rifter soaked up the drones and fire of (at one point or another) 9 enemy battlecruisers before dying to greed on my part getting in neut range to whore on killmails once the contest was already decided. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:23 motbob wrote: That thread, while terrible, has inspired me to write up a general theory of PLEX and isk in-game. I've struggled to wrap my head around the way PLEXes affect the EVE economy, and how isk sinks and isk bonanzas affect things. I'm posting this so that people can correct me. An increase in the amount of isk in EVE is generally reflected by an increase in PLEX prices. Every month, pilots have to make the decision of paying real money for their account or paying isk for a PLEX. For many people, this decision is easy, but for others who make only about 300-500m per month, the decision can be a tough one. An influx of isk shifts the decision towards "buy a PLEX" for a bunch of pilots, increasing the amount of demand for PLEX, pushing up the quantity sold and the price. CCP have run the 13-PLEX promotion recently. This makes buying PLEX from CCP a better deal than before, which increases the supply of PLEX to the market, increasing PLEX volume and decreasing PLEX price. Now CCP have introduced the "alt character for 6 months" promotion, which is increasing PLEX demand. People are also resubbing (only anecdotal evidence for this) and that's increasing demand even further. For PLEX prices to fall once again, we'd need to see one of a few things: - Incursions eliminated - People unsubbing - The real world economy improving (lol) - Isk sinks that aren't completely awful EDIT: does botting inflate PLEX prices? Riddle me that. We aren't actually seeing that big of a swing in number of plexes being bought up by players. Its up a little but is on a pretty normal growth cycle. The main culprit looks more like regular inflation. While CCP is on record saying they love to monitor the plex market, they aren't terribly concerned with the price. Bulk plex purchases normally coincide with landing right before some sort of plex for use promotion like power of two, which has more to do with accounting than actual concerns on the market, they're basically creating an influx to their accounts receivable and then funneling it out of there into cash to make their books look more impressive. Pretty much business as usual, the money supply needs to take a hit before you'll ever see plex prices go back down. | ||
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Byzantium
United States423 Posts
On November 03 2011 17:10 abominare wrote: We aren't actually seeing that big of a swing in number of plexes being bought up by players. Its up a little but is on a pretty normal growth cycle. The main culprit looks more like regular inflation. While CCP is on record saying they love to monitor the plex market, they aren't terribly concerned with the price. Bulk plex purchases normally coincide with landing right before some sort of plex for use promotion like power of two, which has more to do with accounting than actual concerns on the market, they're basically creating an influx to their accounts receivable and then funneling it out of there into cash to make their books look more impressive. Pretty much business as usual, the money supply needs to take a hit before you'll ever see plex prices go back down. So if this is the institutional environment that obtains, it's somewhat likely that the next big isk sink to go in will be the BPCs for the Customs Office Gantries and teir 3 BCs... so no big drop in Plex prices until the expansion. | ||
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