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On July 09 2013 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Ok so for the people wanting to know why rayn is scum for mentioning the failed nuke, its pretty obvious. He's doing it to call into question me and WoS. Let's face it, until he claimed I was 100% confirmed town and WoS was nearly confirmed as well. I actually brought this up at one point about how me xata and wos were all kinda confirmed. Thats a lot of people for scum to kill so simply by revealing that it was him, rayn throws doubt back on WoS and I. Now I'm not gonna argue WoS made a subpar redirect but I don't think that condemns him and yet rayn tries to call both of us scum based on it. Its funny how I go from a town read to a scum read so fast for rayn. A townie mindset would demand a more careful examination of the facts and its a townie mindset to hold onto your reads. This is why its so weird that rayn shows no hesitation to call me scum because of WoS's failed action. Lets also examine the timing of his claim. It wasn't a "oh hey guys I'm sorry my bad" during the day when he supposedly had a town read on me, it instead came after the lynch when he could use that claim to throw dirt on WoS and I. Again, scum motivation vs town motivation. Finally, read rayn's filter and look at just how many times he talks about me. He's constantly trying to get people to "give him their thoughts" with a goal of getting a wagon started. I called him scum and he tried to discredit me without being obvious. I backed off of him and I suddenly became a town read. Alakaslam I'm a sad panda that we can't talk in russian anymore, can you give me a russian подарок (it means present austin  )
This is really interesting.
He never explained why he thought you were scum right?
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On July 09 2013 14:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 14:41 Chezinu wrote:On July 09 2013 14:34 geript wrote:
And from what you've said before, your life's theme is to win with style. Your style is undeniable, but the winning part is currently in question. Could you perhaps explain to me how you plan to win and what stylish hat will you be wearing at the time? oh, I getz a hat! I would choose the otter-fur hat. Cause you know, winter is coming. I win by eliminating the opposition! To do that I shall...  I has no nukes... uh getz people to vote the bad guys? or perhaps you can provide me with some nukes that I could fire at the bad guys? These bad people... How do you find them? Do you know who these bad guys are? Who would you fire these hot potato nukes at?
I find them in poetry... This is the last question I can answer.. The next response, I will make sure to make big for the delay. I think you will understand. It isn't often one gets the opportunity that the next message will bring.
with that, I leave you with this:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2013 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will roleclaim!
I am The Defender Of The House Of Chezinu!
My objective is to kill all those who oppose the almighty GOD!
Therefore, as said, i will revenge-nuke anyone who is going to oppose the truth. Don't push me!
For mother Russia! For victory! For Chezinu! On July 08 2013 12:44 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:09 Stutters695 wrote:
You? I have no idea, this is really my first time reading the thread. Trying to catch up. So basically this one guy said he will protect so and so. then this other guy types #Nuke so and so. T hen one guy says other guy is mafia. Then one guy says other guy is innocent. Then so and so #Nuke other guy. Then mod guy say nuke launched at other guy. Then one guy votes so and so whom he said he would protect. So and so sees past one guy. Turns out so and so is known as so so crazy. Everyone ignored so so crazy for a while. Then so so crazy's dad was like vote so so crazy! Then they voted so so crazy. So so crazy finally admitted more clearly that if he didn't #nuke other guy, so and so would be dead as he was in the beginning when so and so reads so so crazy's role. So so crazy, now is living the day focusing on the living half of so and so's role.
I am watching... Its unfortunate that the next post has come at a time like this...
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On July 09 2013 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Ok so for the people wanting to know why rayn is scum for mentioning the failed nuke, its pretty obvious. He's doing it to call into question me and WoS. Let's face it, until he claimed I was 100% confirmed town and WoS was nearly confirmed as well. I actually brought this up at one point about how me xata and wos were all kinda confirmed. Thats a lot of people for scum to kill so simply by revealing that it was him, rayn throws doubt back on WoS and I. Now I'm not gonna argue WoS made a subpar redirect but I don't think that condemns him and yet rayn tries to call both of us scum based on it. Its funny how I go from a town read to a scum read so fast for rayn. A townie mindset would demand a more careful examination of the facts and its a townie mindset to hold onto your reads. This is why its so weird that rayn shows no hesitation to call me scum because of WoS's failed action. Lets also examine the timing of his claim. It wasn't a "oh hey guys I'm sorry my bad" during the day when he supposedly had a town read on me, it instead came after the lynch when he could use that claim to throw dirt on WoS and I. Again, scum motivation vs town motivation. Finally, read rayn's filter and look at just how many times he talks about me. He's constantly trying to get people to "give him their thoughts" with a goal of getting a wagon started. I called him scum and he tried to discredit me without being obvious. I backed off of him and I suddenly became a town read. Alakaslam I'm a sad panda that we can't talk in russian anymore, can you give me a russian подарок (it means present austin )
People have asked me to translate so I will continue but here you are:
+ Show Spoiler +
I hope you like it, I told him it was weird but he insisted.
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I mean you already have a house right?
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Either way: 8 hours! See you.
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damn ok NG flipped town which sucks.
jI was looking at his filter and saw his suspicions on WoS.
WoS, why didnt you nuke your top scum read which was dandel?
Why exactly did you nuke NG?
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
wow 20+ pages of stuff to go through... welp.
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
On July 09 2013 04:52 Alakaslam wrote:
By the way CaucasianAsian is new? How awesome, will he join newbies?
This helps me a bit, I just assumed he was a vet :p
I have only played 2 previous games of mafia online, and quite a few live. It's played so differently online as opposed to live (can't say things like: you had to think about that! You're mafia!). Honestly, I don't really know how to approach all of this.
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just get up to date, and ask questions about things you want clarified or point out things you think are scummy.
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
i want to contribute more, but there's sooo much text to sift through. I don't want to force anyone to do it for me, as I should make my own assumptions in order not to be persuaded by mafia. So this might take some time?
Also, I'm a little scared about making some judgements. I don't want to say someone feels scummy to me, as if I am right, mafia might target me, and if they are town and others believe them to be town, then town might say it sounds scummy right? But I do want to contribute, but I guess i'm a bit nervous about doing so!
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Dont give a shit what people think. If you think you have good reasons you point them out.
If you are scum, ask your scumteam how to play.
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Just go with it CA, nobody expects people to whip out perfect scum lists their first second or third time around. Just try to be active and ask question and if you see something you think is noteworthy point it out.
Basically just be positive and don't shit up the thread... that could go for a lot of the more veteran players as well lol.
Anyway people should really reread my filter for all the stuff on rayn, it makes for a fascinating read I assure you.
Also I was hoping for a better gift alakaslam.
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
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Welcome caucasianasian; you're under the threat of modkill so better start playing now. Your fluffy rambling reminds me so strongly of my own fluffy ramblings (that I often start posting as town) that I feel like it's more likely from town than scum. Nevertheless, better start doing some scumhunting next.
I'm really saddened by recent revelations about rayn. I thought he was most certainly town, but these factors make me doubt him again:
1) Not claiming his stealth nuke despite heavily encouraging people to claim stealth nukes (!)
2) Only claiming it now to apparently put Meapak and WoS under renewed suspicion
3) Claiming that he didn't have a nuke and begging anyone to nuke Chezinu for him, then stealth nuking Meapak instead... WHAT??
4) Most worryingly, HAVING A TOWN READ ON MEAPAK AFTER NUKING HIM AND ALL THE WAY UNTIL NOW THAT NG FLIPPED TOWN
This play doesn't really seem town-motivated, I'm sad to say. Worst of all, this puts two of my townreads (rayn and Meapak) back towards null, since Meapak could have been nuked by town rayn and rayn could have nuked scum Meapak (I guess they could both be town as well, although definitely not both scum).
After some thinking about DI, I don't think he's a good lynch/nuketarget atm. I agree with geript that everyone was too happy to vote for him until ON came along very late into the day. DI's play itself doesn't feel town-motivated, but scum didn't seem to have objections to lynching him (only geript objected to it, I think?).
I've also been thinking about the vote spreads. In PTP the scumteam (geript, austinmcc, Meapak) and anti-town Survivor (kitaman27), all four, voted for different players D1. I find it very likely that the scumteam was mostly spread out this game and definitely not mostly on the same player. I think there was maybe 1-2 on ON, 1-2 on DI and the rest on random players.
Especially the ON wagon looks townish IMO and the latecomers to that wagon are less likely scum, simply because it would raise unnecessary attention to jump on at the last moments. I'm mostly worried about those who stayed on other targets (Abenson, jampidampi, MajuGarzett, Oatsmaster, Z-Boson, Alakaslam, FirmTofu). Any of those, with maybe the exceptions of FirmTofu and Oatsmaster, should be good nuke/lynch targets tomorrow. I'm worried about a couple of players on the DI wagon as well (Ace, strongandbig at least), but yeah, those on other players than ON or DI should be looked at first of all.....
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Are the people that stayed on other targets in the thread around lynch?
Cause if not, its just circumstance I guess.
I thought NG was the scummiest and that he could possibly get lynched.
Then big things happened.
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K not much going on sorry euro people lol.
Gonna sleep now.
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
Signup list:
1. Dandel Ion
2. Ghost_403
3. Oatsmaster
4. Stutters695
5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson
7. Meapak_Ziphh
8. Ace
9. MajuGarzett
10. Johnnywup
11. Onegu
12. Geript
13. VayneAuthority
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
16. OriginalName - lynched Day 1
17. TanGeng - Nuked Day 1
18. Xatalos
19. CaucasianAsian
20. Alakasam
21. WaveofShadow
22. jampidampi
23. raynpelikoneet
24. Nirvana.Gabo - Redirected Nuke Day 1
25. FirmTofu
26. Chezinu
27. austinmcc
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On July 09 2013 17:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Are the people that stayed on other targets in the thread around lynch?
Cause if not, its just circumstance I guess.
I thought NG was the scummiest and that he could possibly get lynched.
Then big things happened.
Yeah, I'm not saying that all players who avoided the main lynch battle are scum. Some were probably genuinely AFK or something. But just looking at PTP, there were no scum on the D1 mislynch wagon at all (could it be the same here? It's possible I guess). They were all spread out on random players basically. In all my scum games we have spread out everyone on a different player as well. It just makes sense for scum to keep a certain distance between each other.
Based on that, I'm going to take a hard look at the players who voted meaninglessly. Of course there's most likely scum on the ON/DI wagons as well.
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On July 09 2013 17:23 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Signup list:
1. Dandel Ion
2. Ghost_403
3. Oatsmaster
4. Stutters695
5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson
7. Meapak_Ziphh
8. Ace
9. MajuGarzett
10. Johnnywup
11. Onegu
12. Geript
13. VayneAuthority
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
16. OriginalName - lynched Day 1
17. TanGeng - Nuked Day 1
18. Xatalos
19. CaucasianAsian
20. Alakasam
21. WaveofShadow
22. jampidampi
23. raynpelikoneet
24. Nirvana.Gabo - Redirected Nuke Day 1
25. FirmTofu
26. Chezinu
27. austinmcc
Yes...?
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
sorry, just wanted to put it in my filter.
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